Corruption ala Biden, Hunter, FBI, China and Ukraine

[Soupnazi630]

This war Biden started in the Ukraine is totally illegal.
The Ukraine clearly violated treaties and promises by trying to block Russian use of Sevastopol, trying to join NATO, murdering 30k ethnic Russian natives, firing Shokin, etc.

Congress illegally used an impeachment proceeding to prevent an investigation of Burisma Holdings.

Biden is guilty of attempting to start WWIII and getting the US nukes, by trying to put US nukes on Russia's border.

WRIONG.

Putin started it

There was NO treatyu or promise whatsoever for Ukraine to violate

Neither biden nor anyone else has tried to put nukes on Russias border.

Tjose are outright lies of yours and proven long ago

 

[Soupnazi630]

None of which you can dispute.
It all clearly happened, is costing use trillions, and will result in WWIII if not stopped soon.

WRONG

Everything you say has not only been disproven it had been proven out right lies .

It did Not happen and that is a fact which you cannot challenge

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is silly because the Russians had nothing to do with any of the illegal activities, like paying Hunter millions to do nothing, violating treaties and promises on things like Russian use of Sevastopol, no eastern NATO expansion, firing Shokin, using an impeachment to prevent an investigation of Burisma Holdings, etc.

There was NO treaty violation or promise to violate you despicable liar

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is disgusting.
He clearly once again brought up the valid fact Hunter was paid millions to do nothing.
Combined with the fact both the Ukraine violated treaties and promises over Sevastopol, no eastern NATO expansion, not sending US weapons to the Ukraine, etc.
It is undeniable Joe Biden illegally extorted the Ukraine into firing Shokin, in order to hide the US take over.
And the fact that when Trump did try to investigate, that Congress then prohibited it by impeaching Trump.

There was no such treay or promise you liar

 

[billyerock123]

Maybe enlighten yourself, read it and learn something. Take the blinders off.

the blinders are on you...

The claim: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to assist his son, Hunter Biden​

While former Vice President Joe Biden oversaw foreign policy in Ukraine, his son Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, the largest gas company in the fledgling democracy.

Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.

"VP Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion dollars from Ukraine to save his son's job," reads a meme posted to Facebook by Secure America Now. The meme has been shared more than 9,000 times since Oct. 18.

Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts​

It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.

Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin "never went after any corrupt individuals at all" and "never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

Fact check:Claims that Hunter Biden received $3.5M from Russia are unproven, lack context

Charlie Kupchan, who was a special assistant to President Barack Obama and a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council, said anti-corruption efforts were "a big part of our diplomacy" with Ukraine, since "it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically."

As a result, Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."

Daria Kaleniuk, the co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kyiv, Ukraine, credited Biden, the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

After Shokin left the Prosecutor General's Office, Jan Tombinski, the ambassador from the European Union to Ukraine, called it "an opportunity to make a fresh start."

"I hope," Tombinski said, "that the new Prosecutor General will ensure that the Office of the Prosecutor General becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust."

Fact check:Joe Biden never said he would have prevented all COVID-19 deaths

Prosecutor was not investigating Burisma at the time Joe Biden called for his removal​

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin to be removed, per the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency that has worked closely with the FBI.

In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.

The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.

More:GOP-led Senate committees: Hunter Biden work in Ukraine a conflict of interest, impact 'unclear'

The case was settled in court in 2017.

The recent report by Senate Republicans also contained no evidence that Joe Biden had pressured Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor as a way to protect his son, according to the Associated Press.

Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden, also said any suggestion of impropriety is false.

“Investigations by the press, during impeachment, and even by two Republican-led Senate committees whose work was decried as 'not legitimate' and political by a GOP colleague, have all reached the same conclusion: that Joe Biden carried out official U.S. policy toward Ukraine and engaged in no wrongdoing,” Bates told USA TODAY.

Fact check:In 1973, Biden said 'the two-party system' was 'good for the negro'

Our rating: False​

Based on our research, the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid
dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

These are the facts ... not your BS post

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[billyerock123]

That is silly because the Russians had nothing to do with any of the illegal activities, like paying Hunter millions to do nothing, violating treaties and promises on things like Russian use of Sevastopol, no eastern NATO expansion, firing Shokin, using an impeachment to prevent an investigation of Burisma Holdings, etc.

do some research that is not biased ...this whole thing started when Rudy went to Russia ... then was told to go to Ukraine to check into Hunter Biden's job ...

 

[billyerock123]

Oh BS.

Shokin became Prosecutor General in February of 2015.

Hunter was hired by Burisma in April of 2014.

whats your point any real proof ??? no, you have nothing but made-up facts ...

 

[Care4all]

No he wasn't. He started his investigation of Burisma long before Hunter Biden was hired.

Oh, don't ya know? Shokin started his investigation in to Hunter Biden alright, only it was AFTER he resigned office... and after he met Giuliani!

 

[Care4all]

Oh BS.

Shokin became Prosecutor General in February of 2015.

Hunter was hired by Burisma in April of 2014.

And Shokin left office in 2016....

So, you think Shokin in his first and only year in office as Prosecutor General, thought that he would open up a case to investigate Hunter Biden, as his chosen case for the best use of his time, fighting all that corruption in the Ukraine?

 

[Billiejeens]

Shokin was not investigating Hunter. That is proven, fake news.

He was.
It was proven.
You are fake news.

 

[Marener]

The only people that think Shokin was investigating Zlochevsky are the useful idiots targeted by Russian propaganda.

 

[Ringo]

 

[White 6]

Wrong.

With Hillary, the Benghazi case could not continue because it was classified.
Ambassador Stevens should have been at the US embassy in Tripoli, in Benghazi with a warehouse of cash and weapons. Obviously he was illegally bribing and arming extremists like ISIS, to attack Asad. That is a war crime.

With Hunter and Burisma Holdings, the reason the prosecution always got stalled in the past is that congress was corrupt and tried to impeach Trump when he tried to investigate.
Obviously it is Zelensky who has to initiate an investigation from the Ukraine side of the activities. Congress effectively prevented that. Which pretty much convinces me that Zelensky is totally corrupt, or else he would have already started an investigation into Burisma Holdings on his own.

About the only thing, I can agree with 100% in that post is Ambassador Stevens should have been at the US Embassy in Tripoli. I don't think he was the bag man and weapons man in Benghazi in Benghazi, but could be wrong. Whatever his role there, he wanted out, but stayed on order, and it cost him his life. Indeed, it was The Hill's fault, for not pulling him and his staff back to his correct place in country, that being the capital and our embassy there.

I still go with incompetence as the reason republican lawyers and Congress critters could not get anything on The Hill.

 

[Care4all]

He was.
It was proven.
You are fake news.

Nope. Y'all are just easily bamboozled by the bull shit!

It was proven that Shokin was not investigating Hunter Biden.

 

[Billiejeens]

Nope. Y'all are just easily bamboozled by the bull shit!

It was proven that Shokin was not investigating Hunter Biden.

Inside your Cult -
Yes, a lot of things happen or don't happen in your Cult that have no relationship to reality.

 

[Delldude]

No he wasn't. He started his investigation of Burisma long before Hunter Biden was hired.

Doesn't matter.......Hunter's suddenly showing up was also being looked into.

 

[Marener]

Doesn't matter.......Hunter's suddenly showing up was also being looked into.

No it wasn’t.

 

[Delldude]

It’s really hard to take you serious when your whole post is based on lies created by the Russians and you only like it because it puts Biden in a bad lite … lies can’t make it right … just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true …
Nothing will happen to Biden … there is nobody that will come to the house or senate and use your post as factual information to get him impeached … that’s it

I agree nothing will happen to Biden, in fact I don't know why they went that route....clearly won't flush in Senate just as Clinton and Trump didn't.
Lies created by the Russians? Of course you can prove that.

Your 'truth' is better than my truth? Who is the arbiter here?

The left has to come to grips with the fact that the whole endeavor into the Ukraine during the Obama years, which was a cash cow of corruption, which morphed into a bipartisan money making extravaganza. Why is it both parties are tripping over themselves supporting what will never be a win for Ukraine? Many in both parties are dirty...........up to and including Biden.

 

[Delldude]

the blinders are on you...

The claim: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to assist his son, Hunter Biden​

While former Vice President Joe Biden oversaw foreign policy in Ukraine, his son Hunter Biden served on the board of Burisma Holdings, the largest gas company in the fledgling democracy.

Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.

"VP Biden threatened to withhold 1 billion dollars from Ukraine to save his son's job," reads a meme posted to Facebook by Secure America Now. The meme has been shared more than 9,000 times since Oct. 18.

Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts​

It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

As European and American diplomats pressed Ukraine to clean up its corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office, which he took over in February 2015.

Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to the then-vice president, told USA TODAY that Shokin "never went after any corrupt individuals at all" and "never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

Fact check:Claims that Hunter Biden received $3.5M from Russia are unproven, lack context

Charlie Kupchan, who was a special assistant to President Barack Obama and a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council, said anti-corruption efforts were "a big part of our diplomacy" with Ukraine, since "it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically."

As a result, Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."

Daria Kaleniuk, the co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kyiv, Ukraine, credited Biden, the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal.

"Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

After Shokin left the Prosecutor General's Office, Jan Tombinski, the ambassador from the European Union to Ukraine, called it "an opportunity to make a fresh start."

"I hope," Tombinski said, "that the new Prosecutor General will ensure that the Office of the Prosecutor General becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust."

Fact check:Joe Biden never said he would have prevented all COVID-19 deaths

Prosecutor was not investigating Burisma at the time Joe Biden called for his removal​

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin to be removed, per the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency that has worked closely with the FBI.

In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.

The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.

More:GOP-led Senate committees: Hunter Biden work in Ukraine a conflict of interest, impact 'unclear'

The case was settled in court in 2017.

The recent report by Senate Republicans also contained no evidence that Joe Biden had pressured Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor as a way to protect his son, according to the Associated Press.

Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden, also said any suggestion of impropriety is false.

“Investigations by the press, during impeachment, and even by two Republican-led Senate committees whose work was decried as 'not legitimate' and political by a GOP colleague, have all reached the same conclusion: that Joe Biden carried out official U.S. policy toward Ukraine and engaged in no wrongdoing,” Bates told USA TODAY.

Fact check:In 1973, Biden said 'the two-party system' was 'good for the negro'

Our rating: False​

Based on our research, the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid
dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

These are the facts ... not your BS post

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Your 'facts' actually have little or nothing to do with anything I posted or mentioned.

 

[para bellum]

whats your point any real proof ??? no, you have nothing but made-up facts ...

Eh? It's a matter of public record. They are both public figures.

Shokin's start date is on his Wiki page. Hunter's start date at Burisma is given in the DOJ indictment in California for tax fraud.

Look them up if you don't believe it.