Could mafia keep Isis out of Italy? Maybe, but...

[Sally]

My bets on the Mafia. I have met many Sicilianos in my days in New York, and plenty of these guys were really, really tough. I say regardless of their reputation, let the Mafia take care of ISIS in Italy.


Could mafia keep Isis out of Italy? Maybe, but...


Published: 19 Nov 2015 12:15 GMT+01:00


An ex-spy has claimed mafia control of parts of the country could prevent terror attacks. But relying on one murderous mob to defeat another would be a dangerous game, an expert tells us.

For over a year, Italy has received persistent threats from the Isis militant group, particularly against symbolic targets such as the Vatican.

Those threats started to be taken far more seriously in January, after the deadly attacks at the offices of the satirical magazine, Charlie Hebdo, in Paris, and even more so since Friday's attacks in the French capital.

Just hours after the indiscriminate killings, Isis supporters took to Twitter to gloat about the atrocity, claiming that “London, Washington DC and Rome” were next on the list.

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Could mafia keep Isis out of Italy? Maybe, but...

 

[Vikrant]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

 

[montelatici]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

And how would that be genius?

 

[irosie91]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

 

[Vikrant]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

And how would that be genius?

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

And how would that be genius?

Here are a few things that come to mind:

- Brutality
- Dogmatic attitude towards what is good vs what is bad
- Making money through theft and robbery

 

[montelatici]

Cosa Nostra from Sicily, 'Ndrangheta from the Calabria region, Camorra that started in the Calabria region but now considered Neapolitan and Sacra Corona Unita from the Puglia region are organized crime groups from southern Italy, sometimes called Mafiosi as a group. They do not practice religious discrimination. All they ask for is loyalty. They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS. They are not interested in killing anyone or doing anything that would draw attention to them. They kill when there is a threat of disloyalty or stealing within or a threat to their illicit business from other groups. And, when brave prosecutors go after them. Any outside person or group that threatens their business is fair game. Trouble-making Islamists would be fair game for them. Well-behaved loyal, respectful non-Christian criminals would do fine.

 

[Vikrant]

Cosa Nostra from Sicily, 'Ndrangheta from the Calabria region, Camorra that started in the Calabria region but now considered Neapolitan and Sacra Corona Unita from the Puglia region are organized crime groups from southern Italy, sometimes called Mafiosi as a group. They do not practice religious discrimination. All they ask for is loyalty. They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS. They are not interested in killing anyone or doing anything that would draw attention to them. They kill when there is a threat of disloyalty or stealing within or a threat to their illicit business from other groups. And, when brave prosecutors go after them. Any outside person or group that threatens their business is fair game. Trouble-making Islamists would be fair game for them. Well-behaved loyal, respectful non-Christian criminals would do fine.

You sound like one of those people who idolize Italian mafia.

 

[irosie91]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

And how would that be genius?

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

And how would that be genius?

Here are a few things that come to mind:

- Brutality
- Dogmatic attitude towards what is good vs what is bad
- Making money through theft and robbery

A history that might interest you. The original name of what became MAFIA----is
BLACK HAND. It developed in Sicily during the time that "moors" (muslims from
north Africa) had invaded sicily and was actually a reaction to the occupation of
sicily by "moors" and ITS methods. A feature of "mafia culture" which intrigues me as compared to Moorish culture is its attitude toward women. Muslims I have known seem to assume that their mothers and sisters are extremely naïve----they
grow up having no notion of such things as ---"sex" or that which men do----and
cannot move about ----like go to the market to buy a cabbage---without a male
escort. My grandmother was born in a poor refugee area-----populated by Italians and jews. She noted that Italian girls her age ---like adolescents----would be
WALKED to their factory jobs by either fathers or brothers whereas she simply walked about the city on her own. Italian girls in her perception were "UNDER GUARD" something like the customs described to me by muslims from south east
asia pertaining to their sisters. Mafia men keep their "women" "pure"----never tell them "what is going on" ----and assume they JUST DO NOT KNOW. (yeah right!)
There is a DICHOTOMY ----a separate world for men---the world of violence and
crime-------and the OTHER world----for women and small children----home and the
church. My sense is that it was the juxtaposition of islam and Christianity that
happened when sicily was invaded by moors that created the "mafia culture" and also had some impact on all of Italy. Mafia in the neighborhood----includes that
dichotomy----the doings of the MAFIA MEN is kept completely under wraps AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD where their women and children LIVE.

 

[montelatici]

Cosa Nostra from Sicily, 'Ndrangheta from the Calabria region, Camorra that started in the Calabria region but now considered Neapolitan and Sacra Corona Unita from the Puglia region are organized crime groups from southern Italy, sometimes called Mafiosi as a group. They do not practice religious discrimination. All they ask for is loyalty. They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS. They are not interested in killing anyone or doing anything that would draw attention to them. They kill when there is a threat of disloyalty or stealing within or a threat to their illicit business from other groups. And, when brave prosecutors go after them. Any outside person or group that threatens their business is fair game. Trouble-making Islamists would be fair game for them. Well-behaved loyal, respectful non-Christian criminals would do fine.

You sound like one of those people who idolize Italian mafia.

Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems Vikrant. LOL

 

[irosie91]

Cosa Nostra from Sicily, 'Ndrangheta from the Calabria region, Camorra that started in the Calabria region but now considered Neapolitan and Sacra Corona Unita from the Puglia region are organized crime groups from southern Italy, sometimes called Mafiosi as a group. They do not practice religious discrimination. All they ask for is loyalty. They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS. They are not interested in killing anyone or doing anything that would draw attention to them. They kill when there is a threat of disloyalty or stealing within or a threat to their illicit business from other groups. And, when brave prosecutors go after them. Any outside person or group that threatens their business is fair game. Trouble-making Islamists would be fair game for them. Well-behaved loyal, respectful non-Christian criminals would do fine.

You sound like one of those people who idolize Italian mafia.

Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems Vikrant. LOL

I do not grasp what you think that VIK misread? YOU, monte, have lots to learn about DA MAFIA------da mafia would go after any group that they see as showing any level of "lack of respect"-----for THEIR CULTURE----which VERY MUCH includes the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-------your guys would not get away with
mishandling a white plaster garden figure of MARY-------a kinda muslim adolescent
"normal' thing to do in my town----which is why one does not see NIQABIS in the
ITALIAN SECTION OF TOWN. Poor niqabis are stuck doing their shopping in jewish sections of town. I would also suggest that muzzies not stick their asses in the air and block traffic in mafia dense areas

 

[montelatici]

Cosa Nostra from Sicily, 'Ndrangheta from the Calabria region, Camorra that started in the Calabria region but now considered Neapolitan and Sacra Corona Unita from the Puglia region are organized crime groups from southern Italy, sometimes called Mafiosi as a group. They do not practice religious discrimination. All they ask for is loyalty. They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS. They are not interested in killing anyone or doing anything that would draw attention to them. They kill when there is a threat of disloyalty or stealing within or a threat to their illicit business from other groups. And, when brave prosecutors go after them. Any outside person or group that threatens their business is fair game. Trouble-making Islamists would be fair game for them. Well-behaved loyal, respectful non-Christian criminals would do fine.

You sound like one of those people who idolize Italian mafia.

Wow, you have some serious reading comprehension problems Vikrant. LOL

I do not grasp what you think that VIK misread? YOU, monte, have lots to learn about DA MAFIA------da mafia would go after any group that they see as showing any level of "lack of respect"-----for THEIR CULTURE----which VERY MUCH includes the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH-------your guys would not get away with
mishandling a white plaster garden figure of MARY-------a kinda muslim adolescent
"normal' thing to do in my town----which is why one does not see NIQABIS in the
ITALIAN SECTION OF TOWN. Poor niqabis are stuck doing their shopping in jewish sections of town. I would also suggest that muzzies not stick their asses in the air and block traffic in mafia dense areas

He obviously did not read:

"They are simply criminals that take advantage of honest citizens. They are the scum of the earth, but not at all like ISIS."

 

[Sally]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

I don't know about that, Vikrant, if you look at the early history of the Mafia.

The Sicilian Mafia formed in the mid-1800s to unify the Sicilian peasants against their enemies.

Why shouldn't the Mafia be allowed to fight ISIS, the enemies, in Italy? They might do a bang-up job. Can you think of any other group there who might do a better job?
Even in New York City where you had gangs made up of Sicilians, their main purpose was to protect their neighborhoods.

 

[Sally]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

A Sicilian friend with whom I graduated happened to mention to me a few years ago that I had one in my own neighborhood in the Bronx -- Vinnie "the Chin" Gigante -- who became a mob boss. My friend himself belonged to the Golden Guineas, which were not on the same order as the Mafia. They were more on the order of the gangs you saw in the movie "The Wanderers." As bad at this gang was at times, many did well in later years. My friend became a Civil Engineer.

 

[irosie91]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

A Sicilian friend with whom I graduated happened to mention to me a few years ago that I had one in my own neighborhood in the Bronx -- Vinnie "the Chin" Gigante -- who became a mob boss. My friend himself belonged to the Golden Guineas, which were not on the same order as the Mafia. They were more on the order of the gangs you saw in the movie "The Wanderers." As bad at this gang was at times, many did well in later years. My friend became a Civil Engineer.

I have come across many utterly reasonable ethnic Italians who got slightly
involved in Mafia elements being FASCINATED by the "concept"-----some
really regreted it. ------they had a hard time "getting out of it"

 

[Sally]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

A Sicilian friend with whom I graduated happened to mention to me a few years ago that I had one in my own neighborhood in the Bronx -- Vinnie "the Chin" Gigante -- who became a mob boss. My friend himself belonged to the Golden Guineas, which were not on the same order as the Mafia. They were more on the order of the gangs you saw in the movie "The Wanderers." As bad at this gang was at times, many did well in later years. My friend became a Civil Engineer.

I have come across many utterly reasonable ethnic Italians who got slightly
involved in Mafia elements being FASCINATED by the "concept"-----some
really regreted it. ------they had a hard time "getting out of it"

My friend was asked by Vinnie the Chin if he wanted to be a mechanic (killer), but he turned him down. I think most of the men in the Mafia were from a Sicilian background. Remember the scene from The Godfather where they are in Sicily. They were actually talking in the Sicilian dialect and not the dialect heard in Italy.

 

[irosie91]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

A Sicilian friend with whom I graduated happened to mention to me a few years ago that I had one in my own neighborhood in the Bronx -- Vinnie "the Chin" Gigante -- who became a mob boss. My friend himself belonged to the Golden Guineas, which were not on the same order as the Mafia. They were more on the order of the gangs you saw in the movie "The Wanderers." As bad at this gang was at times, many did well in later years. My friend became a Civil Engineer.

I have come across many utterly reasonable ethnic Italians who got slightly
involved in Mafia elements being FASCINATED by the "concept"-----some
really regreted it. ------they had a hard time "getting out of it"

My friend was asked by Vinnie the Chin if he wanted to be a mechanic (killer), but he turned him down. I think most of the men in the Mafia were from a Sicilian background. Remember the scene from The Godfather where they are in Sicily. They were actually talking in the Sicilian dialect and not the dialect heard in Italy.

I did not know that there is a Sicilian dialect-----but mafia was invented in sicily-----
and as far as I know----the Italian immigrants to New York were just about all sicilian

 

[montelatici]

Sicilian is more of a separate language than a dialect. About as close to Italian as Spanish is. I was based in Sicily (Comiso GLCM Base) for 2 years, and though I speak fluent Tuscan Italian (which is the standard Italian), when the locals spoke Sicilian I could not understand them. It is, however, close enough to Italian (like Spanish) that after about a year I could understand them, but I was never able to learn to speak the language.

 

[Sally]

Italian Mafia and IS seem to have similar outlook on life.

It does not matter if they are similar "culturally"------Mafia does not allow competition----believe it or not-----living in the vicinity of mafia-----makes a neighborhood "safe".
The Mafia people have a tradition of keeping their own neighborhoods safe. Everyone is ok who who has nothing to do with them and does not cross them. They are also sentimental about the catholic church, and Italian art, and Italian culture---even Italian cuisine

A Sicilian friend with whom I graduated happened to mention to me a few years ago that I had one in my own neighborhood in the Bronx -- Vinnie "the Chin" Gigante -- who became a mob boss. My friend himself belonged to the Golden Guineas, which were not on the same order as the Mafia. They were more on the order of the gangs you saw in the movie "The Wanderers." As bad at this gang was at times, many did well in later years. My friend became a Civil Engineer.

I have come across many utterly reasonable ethnic Italians who got slightly
involved in Mafia elements being FASCINATED by the "concept"-----some
really regreted it. ------they had a hard time "getting out of it"

My friend was asked by Vinnie the Chin if he wanted to be a mechanic (killer), but he turned him down. I think most of the men in the Mafia were from a Sicilian background. Remember the scene from The Godfather where they are in Sicily. They were actually talking in the Sicilian dialect and not the dialect heard in Italy.

I did not know that there is a Sicilian dialect-----but mafia was invented in sicily-----
and as far as I know----the Italian immigrants to New York were just about all sicilian

I know that on my block and the surrounding blocks, the older people were born in Sicily. They were able to speak to you in broken English as is quite usual for immigrants who are older and it is more difficult to learn a new language. The only non Sicilians I met were two girls from Naples, but they came after the war. Gee, when I think of it, all the vulgarities I learned in the neighborhood must be in Sicilian and not Italian. I better be careful if I ever go to Sicily.