Creeping Sharia - It's not just a bumper sticker

[GHook93]

What is so wrong with Sharia law, I want to beat my wife when she talks back or when she refuses sex at any minute of the day. I want to stone my daughters if the marry or heck even date someone I don't approve of! Hell women shouldn't have any rights and never be educated!

And all fags must meet Allah ASAP to account for their sins!

 

[maineman]

Honor killings are against Canadian Law as well. Well, kinda.

as adjudicated by Iman Sal LoVecchio, noted muslim cleric and Sharia proponent! Gosh... LoVecchio sounds kind of ITALIAN to me! Imagine that!

Yes. He probably is. And I believe the judge in NJ was Jewish. The point is that "Muslim traditions and sensibilities" are often in conflict with western values - for better or worse. That is why we need one system for all.

so... you are calling for an end to all faith based non-judicial arbitration and mediation in America?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Creeping Sharia is happening. Just travel to places like Great Britain,France,and Canada. They're not calling London "Londonistan" for nothing. This should be a real concern. Muslims are very smart. They play the victim over & over because they know the soft-headed Left Wingers really do buy into that Muslim/Victim shtick. They play the victim over & over and then you wake up one day and they're suddenly imposing Sharia Law and screeching "Death to the Infidels!" This has happened in Western Europe,especially in Great Britain. So i'm very wary and skeptical when i see Muslims playing the victim card. It's a stealth invasion on their part. People need to wake up.

 

[bodecea]

What is so wrong with Sharia law, I want to beat my wife when she talks back or when she refuses sex at any minute of the day. I want to stone my daughters if the marry or heck even date someone I don't approve of! Hell women shouldn't have any rights and never be educated!

And all fags must meet Allah ASAP to account for their sins!

So, you think this means you can ignore our U.S. laws?

 

[bodecea]

Creeping Sharia is happening. Just travel to places like Great Britain,France,and Canada. They're not calling London "Londonistan" for nothing. This should be a real concern. Muslims are very smart. They play the victim over & over because they know the soft-headed Left Wingers really do buy into that Muslim/Victim shtick. They play the victim over & over and then you wake up one day and they're suddenly imposing Sharia Law and screeching "Death to the Infidels!" This has happened in Western Europe,especially in Great Britain. So i'm very wary and skeptical when i see Muslims playing the victim card. It's a stealth invasion on their part. People need to wake up.

Who is "they"?


(And, btw, the Indians took over England with their Indian curry a LOOOOOONG time ago)


And I can understand you not wanting to share that "victim card" thingee.

 

[Hister]

What is so wrong with Sharia law, I want to beat my wife when she talks back or when she refuses sex at any minute of the day. I want to stone my daughters if the marry or heck even date someone I don't approve of! Hell women shouldn't have any rights and never be educated!

And all fags must meet Allah ASAP to account for their sins!

So, you think this means you can ignore our U.S. laws?

Don't you guys have freedom of religion in the US? Sharia law is a central tenet of Islam.

 

[chanel]

We have a secular government with separation of church and state. Islam is not just a "religion"; it's a political doctrine. Any political organization that violates basic human rights or the constitution can not hide under the veil of "freedom of religion". (no pun intended) Sharia law has done both in the U.K.

 

[logical4u]

That is THE problem; Shari'sh implementation, there is no appeal, no way to fix it. You are stuck with the yahoos in charge.

According to what?

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The 'Prophet said, "It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey unless these orders involve one's disobedience. If an act of disobedience is imposed, he should neither listen to nor obey it." - Sahih Bukhari, Jihad, no. 203​

I got an email that summed it.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam: The
Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat



Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a
complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate
for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to
Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components
tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given
country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving
minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.

This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among
street gangs.

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their
percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing
food preparation jobs for Muslims.

They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their
shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to
rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The
ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase
lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions.

In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends
Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with
opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.

Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%


After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia
formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and
Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and
ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all
other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing
(genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on
infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic
cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels,
and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is
on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the
Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most
radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by
killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me
against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against
my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the
world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100%
Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in
ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by
Sharia Law.

The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national
courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such
situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.

The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate
with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas
of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the
national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their
birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and
all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by
the end of this century.

Think about it...today, we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. Next, the
wolves will be herding the sheep!

**Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts.
Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

**Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim,
as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

**DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout
Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as
a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a
devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.

Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions?
Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

That should make the US' homeland much safer, huh! Was it not "Devout Muslim
men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 10 years ago?

Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to
finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking
out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20
years.

The following is his reply: Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance
is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia.

Religiously - no… Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran)

Scripturally - no… Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam
and the Quran.

Geographically - no… Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no… Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no…Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders),
who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no… Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no… Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
corrupt.

Philosophically - no… Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression...

Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either
dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no… Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent
names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be
both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The
more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our
future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.

Can a Muslim be a good U.S. Soldier???

Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He is a
good Muslim!!!

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.

SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

 

[logical4u]

muslims don't do that in America because it is against the law. If islamic clerics were allowed to arbitrate civil issues between willing muslim participants, there would be no beheading and throat slitting decided upon by those civil arbitrators. That is pure foolishness.

If "muslims don't do that in America", why are there more reports about "honor killings" .... in America?

there certainly aren't any that are sanctioned by any court or tribunal, and certainly none that are do not fall under the fuil force of our criminal justice system.... nor would any such "honor killings" escape that force if muslim clerics were allowed to adjudicate civil issues between muslims who voluntarily agreed to allow those clerics to adjudicate their cases.

Your original 'statement' said nothing about 'sanctioned'. You implied because muslims are in this country, they would join the culture. Apparently, that is not so.

 

[Kalam]

That is THE problem; Shari'sh implementation, there is no appeal, no way to fix it. You are stuck with the yahoos in charge.

According to what?

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The 'Prophet said, "It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey unless these orders involve one's disobedience. If an act of disobedience is imposed, he should neither listen to nor obey it." - Sahih Bukhari, Jihad, no. 203​

I got an email that summed it.

....

Insipid scaremongering and baseless assumptions. If you're dumb enough to believe everything you read in chain emails, then I'm not about to waste my time with you.

 

[logical4u]

According to what?

Narrated Ibn 'Umar: The 'Prophet said, "It is obligatory for one to listen to and obey unless these orders involve one's disobedience. If an act of disobedience is imposed, he should neither listen to nor obey it." - Sahih Bukhari, Jihad, no. 203​

I got an email that summed it.

....

Insipid scaremongering and baseless assumptions. If you're dumb enough to believe everything you read in chain emails, then I'm not about to waste my time with you.

I think it was demonstrating an interesting trend: when islam works its way into the government, the country becomes a a terrible place to live with no freedoms for the citizens. Maybe you could give a similar demonstration of the paradises where islam's shari'ah is practiced that 'many' people want to join in the great lifestyle.

 

[Kalam]

I got an email that summed it.

....

Insipid scaremongering and baseless assumptions. If you're dumb enough to believe everything you read in chain emails, then I'm not about to waste my time with you.

I think it was demonstrating an interesting trend: when islam works its way into the government, the country becomes a a terrible place to live with no freedoms for the citizens. Maybe you could give a similar demonstration of the paradises where islam's shari'ah is practiced that 'many' people want to join in the great lifestyle.

"Constitution" of Medina (Dustur al-Madinah)

Of course, being granted equality didn't stop them from taking advantage of our leniency and betraying us.

 

[Sky Dancer]

We have a secular government with separation of church and state. Islam is not just a "religion"; it's a political doctrine. Any political organization that violates basic human rights or the constitution can not hide under the veil of "freedom of religion". (no pun intended) Sharia law has done both in the U.K.

I would just like to point out that Christianity is a political movement actively working to change US law. Christianity is no longer just a religion.

 

[logical4u]

Insipid scaremongering and baseless assumptions. If you're dumb enough to believe everything you read in chain emails, then I'm not about to waste my time with you.

I think it was demonstrating an interesting trend: when islam works its way into the government, the country becomes a a terrible place to live with no freedoms for the citizens. Maybe you could give a similar demonstration of the paradises where islam's shari'ah is practiced that 'many' people want to join in the great lifestyle.

"Constitution" of Medina (Dustur al-Madinah)

Of course, being granted equality didn't stop them from taking advantage of our leniency and betraying us.

A theory from CE 622?
Isn't that like communism: it is a great way of life, if we just didn't need the dictators in charge to enforce it?

Seriously, you are proclaiming Shari'ah to be great; give us a place that it "works", and the people are happy to live there.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I got an email that summed it.

....

Insipid scaremongering and baseless assumptions. If you're dumb enough to believe everything you read in chain emails, then I'm not about to waste my time with you.

I think it was demonstrating an interesting trend: when islam works its way into the government, the country becomes a a terrible place to live with no freedoms for the citizens. Maybe you could give a similar demonstration of the paradises where islam's shari'ah is practiced that 'many' people want to join in the great lifestyle.

The same can be true for any religion working its way into the government.

 

[Kalam]

A theory from CE 622?
Isn't that like communism: it is a great way of life, if we just didn't need the dictators in charge to enforce it?

You're aware that Madinah is and was an actual place, correct?

Seriously, you are proclaiming Shari'ah to be great; give us a place that it "works", and the people are happy to live there.

There have been few examples of properly implemented Shari'ah since the Rashidun in the 7th century. I'll tell you what: withdraw completely from the Middle East and quit propping up the corrupt regimes that are currently in power there. We'll then be able to establish Shari'ah and you can decide for yourself whether you like it or not!

 

[Sky Dancer]

Kalam--

Tea Party reductionists equate Shariah Law with Islamic extremism. Can you explain how Shariah Law works for moderate to liberal Muslims and Sufis?

 

[logical4u]

A theory from CE 622?
Isn't that like communism: it is a great way of life, if we just didn't need the dictators in charge to enforce it?

You're aware that Madinah is and was an actual place, correct?

Seriously, you are proclaiming Shari'ah to be great; give us a place that it "works", and the people are happy to live there.

There have been few examples of properly implemented Shari'ah since the Rashidun in the 7th century. I'll tell you what: withdraw completely from the Middle East and quit propping up the corrupt regimes that are currently in power there. We'll then be able to establish Shari'ah and you can decide for yourself whether you like it or not!

So your answer is: there is no place that shari'ah is used today that is a good place to live?
But......IF (we will blame you for all our shortcomings) we could do it the way we wanted to do it, it would be great.
Sounds like the liberals or the communists, or the socialists, same qualifier, same results.

 

[Sky Dancer]

A theory from CE 622?
Isn't that like communism: it is a great way of life, if we just didn't need the dictators in charge to enforce it?

You're aware that Madinah is and was an actual place, correct?

Seriously, you are proclaiming Shari'ah to be great; give us a place that it "works", and the people are happy to live there.

There have been few examples of properly implemented Shari'ah since the Rashidun in the 7th century. I'll tell you what: withdraw completely from the Middle East and quit propping up the corrupt regimes that are currently in power there. We'll then be able to establish Shari'ah and you can decide for yourself whether you like it or not!

So your answer is: there is no place that shari'ah is used today that is a good place to live?
But......IF (we will blame you for all our shortcomings) we could do it the way we wanted to do it, it would be great.
Sounds like the liberals or the communists, or the socialists, same qualifier, same results.

Or the Buddhists.

 

[Kalam]

Kalam--

Tea Party reductionists equate Shariah Law with Islamic extremism. Can you explain how Shariah Law works for moderate to liberal Muslims and Sufis?

It can be difficult to explain. Do you mean Shari'ah as it's observed by individuals or as it would be used to provide the framework for an Islamic society?