DACA was not a law.

[meaner gene]

Can't understand why...

Obama claimed it was NOT a tax.

Roberts voted that it was, that that passed it.

Who was right?

Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, or Roberts, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?

Obama said his tax wasn't a tax, but it was

Trump said his muslim ban wasn't a muslim ban, but it was,

That's how the courts decided it.

 

[meaner gene]

It's easier linking to the campaign promise that one of his first executive orders woukd be an immediate muslim travel ban.

Of course it is, because campaign promise have no legal backing.

are you trying to say.....you're having a problem finding an EO that banned muslims?

Actually in this case they do, There is a principle in law, that whether the words express it or not, the effect or the intent of a law can determine if it's unconstituional.

The intent of the Jim Crow laws and their effect was more important than their words in determining legality. If you meant it to be discriminatory, or it's effect was discriminatory, then it's illegal,

That's how the texas gerrymandered districts were ruled illegal.

 

[Auld Phart]

Can't understand why...

Obama claimed it was NOT a tax.

Roberts voted that it was, that that passed it.

Who was right?

Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, or Roberts, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court?

Obama said his tax wasn't a tax, but it was

Trump said his muslim ban wasn't a muslim ban, but it was,

That's how the courts decided it.

Still waiting for that EO.

Here, this may help.
List of executive actions by Donald Trump - Wikipedia


(Psst, at least one of the judges that blocked his travel ban based it on the campaign rhetoric, not the EO)

 

[Auld Phart]

It's easier linking to the campaign promise that one of his first executive orders woukd be an immediate muslim travel ban.

Of course it is, because campaign promise have no legal backing.

are you trying to say.....you're having a problem finding an EO that banned muslims?

Actually in this case they do, There is a principle in law, that whether the words express it or not, the effect or the intent of a law can determine if it's unconstituional.

The intent of the Jim Crow laws and their effect was more important than their words in determining legality. If you meant it to be discriminatory, or it's effect was discriminatory, then it's illegal,

That's how the texas gerrymandered districts were ruled illegal.

In that case, Obamas EO restricting travel from the same countries was a muslim ban.

Why wasn't there a big uproar about that at the time?

 

[Auld Phart]

It's easier linking to the campaign promise that one of his first executive orders woukd be an immediate muslim travel ban.

Of course it is, because campaign promise have no legal backing.

are you trying to say.....you're having a problem finding an EO that banned muslims?

Actually in this case they do, There is a principle in law, that whether the words express it or not, the effect or the intent of a law can determine if it's unconstituional.

The intent of the Jim Crow laws and their effect was more important than their words in determining legality. If you meant it to be discriminatory, or it's effect was discriminatory, then it's illegal,

That's how the texas gerrymandered districts were ruled illegal.

You must be a real terror at dodge ball

 

[meaner gene]

(Psst, at least one of the judges that blocked his travel ban based it on the campaign rhetoric, not the EO)

Which is why I said that intent matters.

If somebody rear ends you, it's an accident. But if before it happened they said they intended to run you off the road, it's a felony,

 

[meaner gene]

In that case, Obamas EO restricting travel from the same countries was a muslim ban.

Why wasn't there a big uproar about that at the time?

It's all based on intent. Not effectiveness.

If I intend on killing you. And fire six shots in your direction but miss each time, i'm still charged with attempted murder, even if you walk away without a scratch.

No harm no foul? Nope.. intent.

 

[Auld Phart]

(Psst, at least one of the judges that blocked his travel ban based it on the campaign rhetoric, not the EO)

Which is why I said that intent matters.

If somebody rear ends you, it's an accident. But if before it happened they said they intended to run you off the road, it's a felony,

keep dodging

and find that eo

 

[meaner gene]

keep dodging

and find that eo

You want it, you find it,. I showed you that intent overrides the words,

And the intent came from Trumps campaign rhetoric, especially his trweets.

Words have meanings.

 

[Auld Phart]

keep dodging

and find that eo

You want it, you find it,. I showed you that intent overrides the words,

And the intent came from Trumps campaign rhetoric, especially his trweets.

Words have meanings.

and you havent' backed up your assertion there was a 'muslim ban'.

You, Jillian, and they judge are basing your opinion on campaign rhetoric, not what was actually proposed.

Keep digging your own grave.




(it can also serve as an outhouse basement.)

 

[meaner gene]

Legislative intent - Wikipedia

In law, the legislative intent of the legislature in enacting legislation may sometimes be considered by the judiciary when interpreting the law (see judicial interpretation). The judiciary may attempt to assess legislative intent where legislation is ambiguous, or does not appear to directly or adequately address a particular issue, or when there appears to have been a legislative drafting error.

 

[meaner gene]

and you havent' backed up your assertion there was a 'muslim ban'.

You, Jillian, and they judge are basing your opinion on campaign rhetoric, not what was actually proposed.

Keep digging your own grave.




(it can also serve as an outhouse basement.)

Trump even called it a muslim ban. He tweeted it in anger. More proof of the intent of his EO,.

 

[Auld Phart]

Legislative intent - Wikipedia

In law, the legislative intent of the legislature in enacting legislation may sometimes be considered by the judiciary when interpreting the law (see judicial interpretation). The judiciary may attempt to assess legislative intent where legislation is ambiguous, or does not appear to directly or adequately address a particular issue, or when there appears to have been a legislative drafting error.

That's nice.

What did the EO say?

 

[Auld Phart]

and you havent' backed up your assertion there was a 'muslim ban'.

You, Jillian, and they judge are basing your opinion on campaign rhetoric, not what was actually proposed.

Keep digging your own grave.




(it can also serve as an outhouse basement.)

Trump even called it a muslim ban. He tweeted it in anger. More proof of the intent of his EO,.

 

[meaner gene]

With more tweets on his travel ban, Trump continues to undercut his own aides - CNNPolitics


With more tweets on his travel ban, Trump continues to undercut his own aides

"That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people," he tweeted.

 

[Auld Phart]

With more tweets on his travel ban, Trump continues to undercut his own aides - CNNPolitics


With more tweets on his travel ban, Trump continues to undercut his own aides

"That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people," he tweeted.

Don't see the word muslim there.

are you still grasping at straws

 

[meaner gene]

What did the EO say?

It's not what it said, it was the intent.

And Trump repeatedly told us his intent to enact a muslim ban,. Then he tweeted it, that's how he shot himself in the foot,

 

[meaner gene]

Don't see the word muslim there.

are you still grasping at straws

I don't have time for all his tweets.

But of course, in his campaign speeches Trump promised to write a muslim ban, and he that's all she wrote,

 

[Auld Phart]

What did the EO say?

It's not what it said, it was the intent.

And Trump repeatedly told us his intent to enact a muslim ban,. Then he tweeted it, that's how he shot himself in the foot,

No, that's what simple minded fools saw, instead of what was actually in the ban.

If it was a muslim ban, it wouldn't have just been the 7 countries he listed, it would be ALL muslims, from everywhere.

but, simple minds can't seem to grasp that.

can you explain why?

 

[Auld Phart]

Don't see the word muslim there.

are you still grasping at straws

I don't have time for all his tweets.

But of course, in his campaign speeches Trump promised to write a muslim ban, and he that's all she wrote,

but, that's not WHAT he wrote, is it?