Democrats Are Outright Liars!

JimofPennsylvan

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Democrats are outright Liars. The thirty-five day federal government shutdown was over the "Wall", a southern border wall, and all the American people heard from Democrats is open up the government and our party will negotiate over the wall. So President Trump agrees and re-opens the government and now in the political party negotiations the Democrats are saying no money for any border barrier, Speaker Pelosi this past Thursday pointedly gave her party's position when she essentially said that absolutely no way there will be any funding in the legislation for a border barrier it is a line in the sand we won't cross any such talk is a non-starter. This means the Democrat Party lied on this issue during the shutdown they were dishonest and untruthful! Nancy Pelosi doesn't fully appreciate that America is a democracy that means if a political party is not given all the branches of power by the electorate they have to compromise with the other political party in power to run the government. This means that Nancy Pelosi has a duty dictated by her role as the leader of the Democrat Party in the House which she voluntarily accepted to engage in good faith negotiations to negotiate a deal over a southern border barrier!

Much has been spoken of if the Democrats don't reasonably compromise on this barrier that President Trump should just declare a national emergency and have it built through that mechanism. Big mistake by President Trump if he chooses that course he will fundamentally be hurting America if he does this he will have established a dangerous precedent that weakens the checks and balances in our form of government, he will have weakened Congress which is the means in our form of government by which the voice of communities across America communicate to Washington their views on the issues that Washington is moving on or preparing to move on! If President Trump declares a national emergency on this issue the American people can expect a Democrat President to declare a national emergency to confiscate guns to stop gun violence, on climate change, etc.. Moreover, President Trump will not win in the Supreme Court on this issue he doesn't have the merits of the issue with him, illegal immigration thru the southern border has been a significant problem for twenty-five years and the numbers of people coming across today are lower than they have been in the past there is just not the justification to declare a national emergency especially since you as President weren't able to get this policy thru the people's House.


President Trump's only course if the Democrats won't compromise and agree to a reasonable deal is not agree to the entirety of the appropriation bills that would otherwise go thru if the Party's had a deal, only agree to ninety-five percent! During the federal government shutdown Senator Manchin suggested this path as a path forward to limit the pain on individual American families from the Federal Government not being able to function properly! Nancy Pelosi might want her opponents to act like fools but her opponents aren't their thinking is "If the Democrats don't want to cooperate in funding the federal government than the White House will hold back its full cooperation in that funding what is fair is fair"!
 
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If it were I, I would sign no bills, none, until negotiations started in good faith. I would do a spending freeze as other presidents have done and let congress attempt to override all my pocket vetos.
 
If it were I, I would sign no bills, none, until negotiations started in good faith. I would do a spending freeze as other presidents have done and let congress attempt to override all my pocket vetos.

Oh Don's on it pard, he's really got a hard on to do this over the will of the people as well.
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
If they're playing his game they will. What a terrific political system. No wonder we have to export our "way of life" via endless war and continual global occupation.
 
OP is full of lies. Funny, using lies to call someone else a liar.
 
Democrats are outright Liars. The thirty-five day federal government shutdown was over the "Wall", a southern border wall, and all the American people heard from Democrats is open up the government and our party will negotiate over the wall. So President Trump agrees and re-opens the government and now in the political party negotiations the Democrats are saying no money for any border barrier, Speaker Pelosi this past Thursday pointedly gave her party's position when she essentially said that absolutely no way there will be any funding in the legislation for a border barrier it is a line in the sand we won't cross any such talk is a non-starter. This means the Democrat Party lied on this issue during the shutdown they were dishonest and untruthful! Nancy Pelosi doesn't fully appreciate that America is a democracy that means if a political party is not given all the branches of power by the electorate they have to compromise with the other political party in power to run the government. This means that Nancy Pelosi has a duty dictated by her role as the leader of the Democrat Party in the House which she voluntarily accepted to engage in good faith negotiations to negotiate a deal over a southern border barrier!

Much has been spoken of if the Democrats don't reasonably compromise on this barrier that President Trump should just declare a national emergency and have it built through that mechanism. Big mistake by President Trump if he chooses that course he will fundamentally be hurting America if he does this he will have established a dangerous precedent that weakens the checks and balances in our form of government, he will have weakened Congress which is the means in our form of government by which the voice of communities across America communicate to Washington their views on the issues that Washington is moving on or preparing to move on! If President Trump declares a national emergency on this issue the American people can expect a Democrat President to declare a national emergency to confiscate guns to stop gun violence, on climate change, etc.. Moreover, President Trump will not win in the Supreme Court on this issue he doesn't have the merits of the issue with him, illegal immigration thru the southern border has been a significant problem for twenty-five years and the numbers of people coming across today are lower than they have been in the past there is just not the justification to declare a national emergency especially since you as President weren't able to get this policy thru the people's House.


President Trump's only course if the Democrats won't compromise and agree to a reasonable deal is not agree to the entirety of the appropriation bills that would otherwise go thru if the Party's had a deal, only agree to ninety-five percent! During the federal government shutdown Senator Manchin suggested this path as a path forward to limit the pain on individual American families from the Federal Government not being able to function properly! Nancy Pelosi might want her opponents to act like fools but her opponents aren't their thinking is "If the Democrats don't want to cooperate in funding the federal government than the White House will hold back its full cooperation in that funding what is fair is fair"!

No lies from Democrats here.

First, she said "negotiations over border security", not the silly wall.

Second, negotiation does not mean capitulation.

So yes, they are talking about border security, but there will be no money for a wall.
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
They never have before, what is your rational for thinking they will now?
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
If they're playing his game they will. What a terrific political system. No wonder we have to export our "way of life" via endless war and continual global occupation.

I found this online. It looks like Trump can beat Nancy's "resolution of disapproval"!!
Congressional Review Act - Wikipedia
"A joint resolution of disapproval meeting certain criteria cannot be filibustered. For a regulation to be invalidated under the CRA, the Congressional resolution of disapproval must be either signed by the President or passed over the President's veto by two thirds of both Houses of Congress."
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
They never have before, what is your rational for thinking they will now?

You don't think that the dems have become a much more radical leftist party? We'll see who they nominate, but if its a mega-progressive who knows what they'd do? I would not bet against them using misusing the "national emergency" powers.
 
The OP doesn't get that the government has remedies to address situations like "national emergencies". Another thread said that the House will most likely pass a "resolution of disapproval" that the Senate would vote on, then if the Senate passes it, the national emergency is cancelled.
Speaker Pelosi owns GOP (again): 'Seldom-used' law will force Mitch to take disaster vote.

The article makes a major assumption that the national emergency law will be abused by dems only if Trump uses it to build the wall, and that they won't abuse it if he doesn't build the wall. I'm not sure the dems won't use it no matter what Trump does.
They never have before, what is your rational for thinking they will now?

You don't think that the dems have become a much more radical leftist party? We'll see who they nominate, but if its a mega-progressive who knows what they'd do? I would not bet against them using misusing the "national emergency" powers.
I doubt it will happen, but if it does you need to remind yourself that nobody would even be considering it if not for tRump's nonsense.
 

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