Democrats have attempted to negotiate with Repubs 19 times over the budget

[Billy000]

Repubs BLOCKED each attempt. This began in April and ended on October 2nd. Only with the repubs extortion strategy have repubs agreed to negotiate over the budget. With ObamaCare at stake, of course the dems will refuse.

19 Times Democrats Tried to Negotiate With Republicans - NationalJournal.com

1. 4/23 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

2. 5/6 Senator Reid requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

3. 5/7 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

4. 5/8 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

5. 5/9 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator McConnell blocked.

6. 5/14 Senator Warner asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

7. 5/15 Senator Wyden asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator McConnell blocked.

8. 5/16 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

9. 5/21 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Paul blocked.

10. 5/22 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

11. 5/23 Senator McCaskill asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

12. 6/4 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Rubio blocked.

13. 6/12 Senator Kaine asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Lee blocked.

14. 6/19 Senator Murray asked unanimous consent to go to conference, and Senator Toomey blocked.

15. 6/26 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Cruz blocked.

16. 7/11 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

17. 7/17 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Mike Lee blocked.

18. 8/1 Senator Durbin requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Marco Rubio blocked.

19. 10/2 Senator Murray requested unanimous consent to go to conference, Senator Toomey blocked.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Republicans continued to criticize President Obama and Senate Democrats on Monday for refusing to negotiate over the partial government shutdown that the House GOP instigated last week. And so far, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has also refused to entertain any of the rifle-shot continuing resolutions that Republicans have pushed through the House, which would have reopened such popular programs as the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Institutes of Health.

The question is, how long can Democrats ignore the GOP's calls for deal-cutting before the public stops blaming Republicans for picking the fight and starts blaming Democrats for prolonging it?

Unlike previous impasses, the two sides aren't shuttling proposals back and forth for resolving their differences. That ended Sept. 30, when the Senate rejected the House's third and final version of the short-term funding resolution (HJ Res 59). Senate Democrats stiff-armed the House's request for a conference committee the following day.

In shutdown war, Democrats may be losing the PR battle - latimes.com

 

[Billy000]

Republicans continued to criticize President Obama and Senate Democrats on Monday for refusing to negotiate over the partial government shutdown that the House GOP instigated last week. And so far, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has also refused to entertain any of the rifle-shot continuing resolutions that Republicans have pushed through the House, which would have reopened such popular programs as the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Institutes of Health.

The question is, how long can Democrats ignore the GOP's calls for deal-cutting before the public stops blaming Republicans for picking the fight and starts blaming Democrats for prolonging it?

Unlike previous impasses, the two sides aren't shuttling proposals back and forth for resolving their differences. That ended Sept. 30, when the Senate rejected the House's third and final version of the short-term funding resolution (HJ Res 59). Senate Democrats stiff-armed the House's request for a conference committee the following day.

In shutdown war, Democrats may be losing the PR battle - latimes.com

Yeah, they are refusing to negotiate now because they have a gun to their head over ObamaCare the LAW. My article even acknowledges that.

 

[S.J.]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Republicans continued to criticize President Obama and Senate Democrats on Monday for refusing to negotiate over the partial government shutdown that the House GOP instigated last week. And so far, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has also refused to entertain any of the rifle-shot continuing resolutions that Republicans have pushed through the House, which would have reopened such popular programs as the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Institutes of Health.

The question is, how long can Democrats ignore the GOP's calls for deal-cutting before the public stops blaming Republicans for picking the fight and starts blaming Democrats for prolonging it?

Unlike previous impasses, the two sides aren't shuttling proposals back and forth for resolving their differences. That ended Sept. 30, when the Senate rejected the House's third and final version of the short-term funding resolution (HJ Res 59). Senate Democrats stiff-armed the House's request for a conference committee the following day.

In shutdown war, Democrats may be losing the PR battle - latimes.com

Yeah, they are refusing to negotiate now because they have a gun to their head over ObamaCare and a government shut down. My article even acknowledges that.

Spewing the party line, aren't we? Who has what gun to whose head? Republicans have passed bills to fund Veterans Benefits, the NIH, government employee back pay -- all of which were ignored by the Senate. Besides, this is a 17% shutdown, and you guys are the ones forcing privately owned and operated establishments and national monuments to close in order "to make it as painful as possible." Obama was the one who called Speaker Boehner to explain in no uncertain terms, "I will not negotiate."

 

[Billy000]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

No, being a Libertarian means I favor reality. This is just a propaganda thread, with no facts to be had or disseminated. I know being a Democrat means you oppose thinking for yourself, but at some point, you will be forced to.

 

[Billy000]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

No, being a Libertarian means I favor reality. This is just a propaganda thread, with no facts to be had or disseminated. I know being a Democrat means you oppose thinking for yourself, but at some point, you will be forced to.

Um okay. Explain to me how these aren't facts. Go ahead. I'll wait.

 

[TemplarKormac]

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

No, being a Libertarian means I favor reality. This is just a propaganda thread, with no facts to be had or disseminated. I know being a Democrat means you oppose thinking for yourself, but at some point, you will be forced to.

Um okay. Explain to me how these aren't facts. Go ahead. I'll wait.

The fact they are negated by the same tomfoolery your party has engaged in. That makes you a hypocrite and your facts unreliable.

 

[Billy000]

No, being a Libertarian means I favor reality. This is just a propaganda thread, with no facts to be had or disseminated. I know being a Democrat means you oppose thinking for yourself, but at some point, you will be forced to.

Um okay. Explain to me how these aren't facts. Go ahead. I'll wait.

The fact they are negated by the same tomfoolery your party has engaged in. That makes you a hypocrite and your facts unreliable.

After you type something, do you read it to make sure it makes sense? I am not sure you do. How would "tomfoolery" make facts unreliable? These attempts happened whether you like it or not.

 

[S.J.]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

Facts? What facts? They're opinions. Nice try.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Um okay. Explain to me how these aren't facts. Go ahead. I'll wait.

The fact they are negated by the same tomfoolery your party has engaged in. That makes you a hypocrite and your facts unreliable.

After you type something, do you read it to make sure it makes sense? I am not sure you do. How would "tomfoolery" make facts unreliable? These attempts happened whether you like it or not.

Are you ignoring the fact that Republicans did indeed try to hold a conference with the Senate? Were you aware the House tried to appoint conferees? I thought as much.

Reid rejects House Republicans' offer to appoint funding conferees (Video) - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

As I understand it, these "blocks" do not stop the bill from going to negotiations. It just means that the bill does not go with the full support of every Senator. This means that the Senate negotiators are prevented from falsely asserting that "Oh, even the Republican Senators agree with us that this is how it should be". The Senate negotiators would have a weaker position to negotiate from, but this could still go on to negotiations nonetheless. Another thing, Billy, in each of those 19 instances, there are Senators blocking negotiations, not Republican Representatives from the House!

 

[Billy000]

The fact they are negated by the same tomfoolery your party has engaged in. That makes you a hypocrite and your facts unreliable.

After you type something, do you read it to make sure it makes sense? I am not sure you do. How would "tomfoolery" make facts unreliable? These attempts happened whether you like it or not.

Are you ignoring the fact that Republicans did indeed try to hold a conference with the Senate? Were you aware the House tried to appoint conferees? I thought as much.

Reid rejects House Republicans' offer to appoint funding conferees (Video) - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

Of course you would just ignore what i said.

You are so thick dude. I acknowledged the dems refusal to negotiate with Repubs since their extortion strategy began. All Repubs have to do is ACCEPT ObamaCare as the LAW that it is and reopen the government that they closed. Then the dems will agree to negotiate.

 

[Billy000]

Oh boy, another liberal propaganda thread.

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

Facts? What facts? They're opinions. Nice try.

You're saying the 19 facts I listed are opinions? Do you know what opinions are? Im not sure you do.

 

[S.J.]

These are facts. I know being republican means you oppose the idea of facts, but at some point you will have to accept them.

Facts? What facts? They're opinions. Nice try.

You're saying the 19 facts I listed are opinions? Do you know what opinions are? Im not sure you do.

The conclusions you drew from them are opinions. AND, of course you don't mention Republican efforts to negotiate being met with "I'm not gonna negotiate until AFTER you give me everything I want".

 

[S.J.]

All Repubs have to do is ACCEPT ObamaCare as the LAW that it is and reopen the government that they closed. Then the dems will agree to negotiate.

Sure they will. What would their incentive be, once they have what they want? They're not exactly known for their honesty, you know. In fact, they're notorious for not honoring commitments.

 

[Billy000]

All Repubs have to do is ACCEPT ObamaCare as the LAW that it is and reopen the government that they closed. Then the dems will agree to negotiate.

Sure they will. What would their incentive be, once they have what they want? They're not exactly known for their honesty, you know. In fact, they're notorious for not honoring commitments.

Okay if that's true, why wouldn't the Repubs call their bluff and humiliate these notorious liars? What are they waiting for?

 

[TemplarKormac]

After you type something, do you read it to make sure it makes sense? I am not sure you do. How would "tomfoolery" make facts unreliable? These attempts happened whether you like it or not.

Are you ignoring the fact that Republicans did indeed try to hold a conference with the Senate? Were you aware the House tried to appoint conferees? I thought as much.

Reid rejects House Republicans' offer to appoint funding conferees (Video) - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

Of course you would just ignore what i said.

You are so thick dude. I acknowledged the dems refusal to negotiate with Repubs since their extortion strategy began. All Repubs have to do is ACCEPT ObamaCare as the LAW that it is and reopen the government that they closed. Then the dems will agree to negotiate.

That position is untenable. That is why I'm ignoring it. It is a strategy of capitulation, not negotiation. Even if they did agree to reopen the government, the Democrats would easily renege on their end of the bargain. So, no dice. No argument.

 

[Billy000]

Facts? What facts? They're opinions. Nice try.

You're saying the 19 facts I listed are opinions? Do you know what opinions are? Im not sure you do.

The conclusions you drew from them are opinions. AND, of course you don't mention Republican efforts to negotiate being met with "I'm not gonna negotiate until AFTER you give me everything I want".

What they want? You mean what the American people want? Agreeing to reopen the government? Face it, the polls show Repubs are losing this battle.