Democrats want you to believe that they care about the middle class. Lie.

[Jarhead]

So the sane people agree that the title of the post has no bearing in reality and is more flamebait bullshit? Awesome.

I think we have proved the title..

Not even fucking close.

And what's amazing is...even if you HAD...you're just spewing partisan rhetoric...and not waking up to the fact that NEITHER party is better than the other and neither party is immune from idiocy and fucktardedness.

Posts are the opposite of true political discussion. Get your head out of your ass and stop trying to score political points. I realize that's all USMB really is...partisan fucker trying to flamebait other partisan fuckers...but you're failing at that miserably...so why not go cold turkey and actually have a logical, reasoned debate about issues - not blame.

You are correct that both parties are mostly concerned with political expediency.
However, you can not deny the reality that the democratic party uses "helping the poor" as their basis, when, in fact they are simply "holding the poor" and dragging others down to the "poor" status increasing their base.

 

[Vanquish]

Why don't you understand that sometimes people NEED help that they can't get for themselves?

Not every problem or situation is one that someone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Not all help is evul. Learn that.

 

[daveman]

And you want to find a way to cling to your hate for half of the nation with idiot bullshit lies like you just typed.

what makes what he said a lie?
What can you deny in that statement as it pertains to what you want to do for the poor?

I am a liberal and what he claimed I believe is not what I believe.

He doesnt get to deside what I believe huh?

I didn't decide anything. I report what I observe. You want people to be dependent on government.

 

[daveman]

I am a liberal and what he claimed I believe is not what I believe.

He doesnt get to deside what I believe huh?

So you DONT want to give the poor free fish everyday?
And yes, "fish" is a metaphore....
But you are NOT interested in feeding the poor?

I want to give proper nutrition to anyone who needs it.

I want the cost savings involved with having a society in which people are not suffering the lifetime ills of malnutrition.

You see its very simple you can be a decent society and help your bottom line with a policy that reinsures the workers of tomarrow can compete in a world market keeping this country on top.

Its a win win unless you are a brick brained con who just follows party line with their brain switched off.

Odd. Nothing in there about helping people learn to help themselves. You just want to keep giving them things they didn't earn, paid for by people who did.

 

[Jarhead]

I am a liberal and what he claimed I believe is not what I believe.

He doesnt get to deside what I believe huh?

So you DONT want to give the poor free fish everyday?
And yes, "fish" is a metaphore....
But you are NOT interested in feeding the poor?

I want to give proper nutrition to anyone who needs it.

I want the cost savings involved with having a society in which people are not suffering the lifetime ills of malnutrition.

You see its very simple you can be a decent society and help your bottom line with a policy that reinsures the workers of tomarrow can compete in a world market keeping this country on top.

Its a win win unless you are a brick brained con who just follows party line with their brain switched off.

But what about the premise that "fear of failing" is one of the greatest motivators?

Or do you refuse to believe that such a premise has validity.

And if it doesnt...then why were we able to succeed as a nation before the idea of government support became a way of life?

 

[Jarhead]

what makes what he said a lie?
What can you deny in that statement as it pertains to what you want to do for the poor?

I am a liberal and what he claimed I believe is not what I believe.

He doesnt get to deside what I believe huh?

I didn't decide anything. I report what I observe. You want people to be dependent on government.

IN fariness to her.....she may not want them to be dependent on government....she just doesnt accept the premise that people tend to become dependent upon the government....and the truth is, they do. I see it here in NY all day long.

 

[daveman]

I am a liberal and what he claimed I believe is not what I believe.

He doesnt get to deside what I believe huh?

I didn't decide anything. I report what I observe. You want people to be dependent on government.

IN fariness to her.....she may not want them to be dependent on government....she just doesnt accept the premise that people tend to become dependent upon the government....and the truth is, they do. I see it here in NY all day long.

Perhaps. She does seem to rely on magical thinking.

 

[Truthmatters]

Who will decide that?
Michelle just decided we are all too fat and must cut down. Sounds like you are going to take a cut in your Gov. cheese allotment. You'll be better off losing a few pounds anyway. I vote that you should starve, it is a Deomcracy. Right.

Good for you , you have accepted the cold hard fact that we are a democracy.

Now you are not the dictator, democracies dont have a dictator.

When you gather enough votes to change what the people already deemed good policy then you may try to change the policy.

Until then the people have spoken and if you dont like what the said then move.

The people have spoken?
They have. Seems they are not happy with the democratic "rule"....
So I guess you are debating our side....didnt realize that.
Welcome!

Just one problem, that is not the truth.

How many of our elected officials are democrats?

You see they still count and were democratically elected.

 

[Jarhead]

Why don't you understand that sometimes people NEED help that they can't get for themselves?

Not every problem or situation is one that someone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Not all help is evul. Learn that.

IN the past 30 years....have you heard or read a true story of an individual involuntarily dying of starvation?
Are you aware that there are kitchens everywhere? Not a church or temple that would turn away someone who is hungry.
Other than the rhetoric...have you read a valid story of anyone dying becuase they did not have health insurance and tossed from the ER?
Now, dont send me to a link of some opinon piece...
If a hospital tossed a patient out due to no insurance and they died that day, it would be headline news....can you find me one satory like that?

 

[Truthmatters]

"Conservatives want to teach people to fish. Liberals want to give people a government fish everyday, and pretend there's no such thing as fishing poles."


Dave you are wrong and have been told you are wrong in detail.


Do you care or will you now repete this stupid crap because you are a liar.

 

[The Rabbi]

Numbers do not tell the whole story. I'm not going to bother checking the figures for that is but one part of the whole.
Simple questions will suffice:
Would you trade places with the mythical family in the example?
If not, why not?

Notwithstanding my response, Rabbi, you are a damn liar by omission and commission. It's about your (lack) of character and the fact - easily verified by your (too) many hate and fear posts.

You claim the OP is wrong and when challenged to refute it you resort to ad hominem attacks on me. You are a pitiful worthless piece of shit. Just sayin'.

Worthless, hardly. Pointing out what you are is a public service. You are a damn liar. You are a callous conservative. Simple declarative sentences; personal attacks aside, they are accurate descriptions of your lack of character.

Why are you bothering to post here? You aren't even dealing with the OP or any ideas brought up. You use the thread merely as an opportunity to spread lies and defame me. You don't me from Adam but, typically, lack of knowledge does not stop you from vomiting forth a worthless opinion.

 

[Truthmatters]

Malnutrition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Effects
See also: child mortality and iodine deficiency
[edit] Mortality
According to Jean Ziegler (the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food for 2000 to March 2008), mortality due to malnutrition accounted for 58% of the total mortality in 2006: "In the world, approximately 62 million people, all causes of death combined, die each year. One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished.[12] In 2006, more than 36 million died of hunger or diseases due to deficiencies in micronutrients"[13].

According to the World Health Organization, malnutrition is by far the biggest contributor to child mortality, present in half of all cases.[3] Underweight births and inter-uterine growth restrictions cause 2.2 million child deaths a year. Poor or non-existent breastfeeding causes another 1.4 million. Other deficiencies, such as lack of vitamin A or zinc, for example, account for 1 million. According to The Lancet, malnutrition in the first two years is irreversible. Malnourished children grow up with worse health and lower educational achievements. Their own children also tend to be smaller. Malnutrition was previously seen as something that exacerbates the problems of diseases as measles, pneumonia and diarrhea. But malnutrition actually causes diseases as well, and can be fatal in its own right.[3]

[edit] Illness
Malnutrition increases the risk of infection and infectious disease; for example, it is a major risk factor in the onset of active tuberculosis.[14] In communities or areas that lack access to safe drinking water, these additional health risks present a critical problem. Lower energy and impaired function of the brain also represent the downward spiral of malnutrition as victims are less able to perform the tasks they need to in order to acquire food, earn an income, or gain an education.

Nutrients Deficiency Excess
Food energy Starvation, Marasmus Obesity, diabetes mellitus, Cardiovascular disease
Simple carbohydrates none diabetes mellitus, Obesity
Complex carbohydrates none Obesity
Saturated fat low sex hormone levels [15] Cardiovascular disease
Trans fat none Cardiovascular Disease
Unsaturated fat none Obesity
Fat Malabsorption of Fat-soluble vitamins, Rabbit Starvation (If protein intake is high) Cardiovascular Disease (claimed by some)
Omega 3 Fats Cardiovascular Disease Bleeding, Haemorrhages
Omega 6 Fats none Cardiovascular Disease, Cancer
Cholesterol none Cardiovascular disease
Protein kwashiorkor Rabbit starvation
Sodium hyponatremia Hypernatremia, hypertension
Iron Anemia Cirrhosis, heart disease
Iodine Goiter, hypothyroidism Iodine Toxicity (goiter, hypothyroidism)
Vitamin A Xerophthalmia and Night Blindness, low testosterone levels Hypervitaminosis A (cirrhosis, hair loss)
Vitamin B1 Beri-Beri
Vitamin B2 Cracking of skin and Corneal Ulceration
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) Pellagra dyspepsia, cardiac arrhythmias, birth defects
Vitamin B12 Pernicious anemia
Vitamin C Scurvy diarrhea causing dehydration
Vitamin D Rickets Hypervitaminosis D (dehydration, vomiting, constipation)
Vitamin E nervous disorders Hypervitaminosis E (anticoagulant: excessive bleeding)
Vitamin K Haemorrhage
Calcium Osteoporosis, tetany, carpopedal spasm, laryngospasm, cardiac arrhythmias Fatigue, depression, confusion, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, constipation, pancreatitis, increased urination
Magnesium Hypertension Weakness, nausea, vomiting, impaired breathing, and hypotension
Potassium Hypokalemia, cardiac arrhythmias Hyperkalemia, palpitations

[edit] Psychological
According to the Lancet, Malnutrition, in the form of iodine deficiency, is "the most common preventable cause of mental impairment worldwide."[16] Even moderate iodine deficiency, especially in pregnant women and infants, lowers intelligence by 10 to 15 I.Q. points, shaving incalculable potential off a nation’s development.[16] The most visible and severe effects — disabling goiters, cretinism and dwarfism — affect a tiny minority, usually in mountain villages. But 16 percent of the world’s people have at least mild goiter, a swollen thyroid gland in the neck.[16]

Research indicates that improving the awareness of nutritious meal choices and establishing long-term habits of healthy eating has a positive effect on a cognitive and spatial memory capacity, potentially increasing a student's potential to process and retain academic information.

Some organizations have begun working with teachers, policymakers, and managed foodservice contractors to mandate improved nutritional content and increased nutritional resources in school cafeterias from primary to university level institutions. Health and nutrition have been proven to have close links with overall educational success.[17] Currently less than 10% of American college students report that they eat the recommended five servings of fruit and vegetables daily.[18] Better nutrition has been shown to have an impact on both cognitive and spatial memory performance; a study showed those with higher blood sugar levels performed better on certain memory tests.[19] In another study, those who consumed yogurt performed better on thinking tasks when compared to those who consumed caffeine free diet soda or confections.[20] Nutritional deficiencies have been shown to have a negative effect on learning behavior in mice as far back as 1951.[21]

"Better learning performance is associated with diet induced effects on learning and memory ability".[22]
The "nutrition-learning nexus" demonstrates the correlation between diet and learning and has application in a higher education setting.

"We find that better nourished children perform significantly better in school, partly because they enter school earlier and thus have more time to learn but mostly because of greater learning productivity per year of schooling."[23]
91% of college students feel that they are in good health while only 7% eat their recommended daily allowance of fruits and vegetables.[18]
Nutritional education is an effective and workable model in a higher education setting.[24][25]
More "engaged" learning models that encompass nutrition is an idea that is picking up steam at all levels of the learning cycle.[26]
There is limited research available that directly links a student's Grade Point Average (G.P.A.) to their overall nutritional health. Additional substantive data is needed to prove that overall intellectual health is closely linked to a person's diet, rather than just another correlation fallacy.

Nutritional supplement treatment may be appropriate for major depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and obsessive compulsive disorder, the four most common mental disorders in developed countries.[27] Supplements that have been studied most for mood elevation and stabilization include eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid (each of which are an omega-3 fatty acid contained in fish oil, but not in flaxseed oil), vitamin B12, folic acid, and inositol.

[edit] Cancer
Cancer is now common in developing countries. According a study by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, "In the developing world, cancers of the liver, stomach and esophagus were more common, often linked to consumption of carcinogenic preserved foods, such as smoked or salted food, and parasitic infections that attack organs." Lung cancer rates are rising rapidly in poorer nations because of increased use of tobacco. Developed countries "tended to have cancers linked to affluence or a 'Western lifestyle' — cancers of the colon, rectum, breast and prostate — that can be caused by obesity, lack of exercise, diet and age."[28]

[edit] Metabolic syndrome
Several lines of evidence indicate lifestyle-induced hyperinsulinemia and reduced insulin function (i.e. insulin resistance) as a decisive factor in many disease states. For example, hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance are strongly linked to chronic inflammation, which in turn is strongly linked to a variety of adverse developments such as arterial microinjuries and clot formation (i.e. heart disease) and exaggerated cell division (i.e. cancer). Hyperinsulinemia and insulin resistance (the so-called metabolic syndrome) are characterized by a combination of abdominal obesity, elevated blood sugar, elevated blood pressure, elevated blood triglycerides, and reduced HDL cholesterol. The negative impact of hyperinsulinemia on prostaglandin PGE1/PGE2 balance may be significant.

The state of obesity clearly contributes to insulin resistance, which in turn can cause type 2 diabetes. Virtually all obese and most type 2 diabetic individuals have marked insulin resistance. Although the association between overweight and insulin resistance is clear, the exact (likely multifarious) causes of insulin resistance remain less clear. Importantly, it has been demonstrated that appropriate exercise, more regular food intake and reducing glycemic load (see below) all can reverse insulin resistance in overweight individuals (and thereby lower blood sugar levels in those who have type 2 diabetes).

Obesity can unfavourably alter hormonal and metabolic status via resistance to the hormone leptin, and a vicious cycle may occur in which insulin/leptin resistance and obesity aggravate one another. The vicious cycle is putatively fuelled by continuously high insulin/leptin stimulation and fat storage, as a result of high intake of strongly insulin/leptin stimulating foods and energy. Both insulin and leptin normally function as satiety signals to the hypothalamus in the brain; however, insulin/leptin resistance may reduce this signal and therefore allow continued overfeeding despite large body fat stores. In addition, reduced leptin signalling to the brain may reduce leptin's normal effect to maintain an appropriately high metabolic rate.

There is a debate about how and to what extent different dietary factors— such as intake of processed carbohydrates, total protein, fat, and carbohydrate intake, intake of saturated and trans fatty acids, and low intake of vitamins/minerals—contribute to the development of insulin and leptin resistance. In any case, analogous to the way modern man-made pollution may potentially overwhelm the environment's ability to maintain homeostasis, the recent explosive introduction of high glycemic index and processed foods into the human diet may potentially overwhelm the body's ability to maintain homeostasis and health (as evidenced by the metabolic syndrome epidemic).

[edit] Hyponatremia
Excess water intake, without replenishment of sodium and potassium salts, leads to hyponatremia, which can further lead to water intoxication at more dangerous levels. A well-publicized case occurred in 2007, when Jennifer Strange died while participating in a water-drinking contest.[29] More usually, the condition occurs in long-distance endurance events (such as marathon or triathlon competition and training) and causes gradual mental dulling, headache, drowsiness, weakness, and confusion; extreme cases may result in coma, convulsions, and death. The primary damage comes from swelling of the brain, caused by increased osmosis as blood salinity decreases. Effective fluid replacement techniques include Water aid stations during running/cycling races, trainers providing water during team games such as Soccer and devices such as Camel Baks which can provide water for a person without making it too hard to drink the water.

 

[Capitalist]

Good for you , you have accepted the cold hard fact that we are a democracy.

Now you are not the dictator, democracies dont have a dictator.

When you gather enough votes to change what the people already deemed good policy then you may try to change the policy.

Until then the people have spoken and if you dont like what the said then move.

Behold the "Progressive" mind in all it's glory.

Why do you hate the government our founders left us?

They left us a Constitutional Republic, it's hard for you to comprehend this.
Must be a publik skool drop out.

 

[Jarhead]

Good for you , you have accepted the cold hard fact that we are a democracy.

Now you are not the dictator, democracies dont have a dictator.

When you gather enough votes to change what the people already deemed good policy then you may try to change the policy.

Until then the people have spoken and if you dont like what the said then move.

The people have spoken?
They have. Seems they are not happy with the democratic "rule"....
So I guess you are debating our side....didnt realize that.
Welcome!

Just one problem, that is not the truth.

How many of our elected officials are democrats?

You see they still count and were democratically elected.

IN the federal government? Between the legislative and executive branches?
I believe there are mopre repubnlicans than democrats.

Barak and Joe....and a few more democratic senators than republican
And in the House? Many more republican than democratic.
Just sayin'
Am I wrong?

 

[Vanquish]

The fact that Capitalist is calling someone else's education into question means the world has come full circle.

 

[Jarhead]

"Conservatives want to teach people to fish. Liberals want to give people a government fish everyday, and pretend there's no such thing as fishing poles."


Dave you are wrong and have been told you are wrong in detail.


Do you care or will you now repete this stupid crap because you are a liar.

so you dont want to feed the poor?
You are confusing to listen to.

 

[Capitalist]

So the sane people agree that the title of the post has no bearing in reality and is more flamebait bullshit? Awesome.

I think we have proved the title..

Not even fucking close.

And what's amazing is...even if you HAD...you're just spewing partisan rhetoric...and not waking up to the fact that NEITHER party is better than the other and neither party is immune from idiocy and fucktardedness.

Posts like the original post are the opposite of true political discussion. Get your head out of your ass and stop trying to score political points. I realize that's all USMB really is...partisan fucker trying to flamebait other partisan fuckers...but you're failing at that miserably...so why not go cold turkey and actually have a logical, reasoned debate about issues - not blame.

This "spewing partisan rhetoric" comment is interesting. What party are you talking about? I hope it's not Republicrates that you are talking about.
But go ahead and give it a try.

 

[Truthmatters]

Behold the "Progressive" mind in all it's glory.

Why do you hate the government our founders left us?

They left us a Constitutional Republic, it's hard for you to comprehend this.
Must be a publik skool drop out.

Oh so now you are going to pretend I did not have to TEACH you that is also a democracy huh?

You see this is why we have problems in this country, assholes like you cant debate with the facts so you pretend you know something.

This isnt about how big your balls are fuckwit its about sound policy for our country.

Grow the fuck up or leave the real world to the adults .

 

[Capitalist]

Why don't you understand that sometimes people NEED help that they can't get for themselves?

Not every problem or situation is one that someone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Not all help is evul. Learn that.

So people that need help, will be helped by destroying the rights of others.
Wow.........

 

[Truthmatters]

Ummm Jarhead , did you not read all my posts on malnutrition and feeding our future workers for the bernifit of all Americans?