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You are 100% right^ THIS. The context was eating with dirty hands, that is always ignored by those who want to use that passage for other reasons.
But for me, the question of whether or not those laws on clean/unclean meats are still valid is completely irrelevant. Because the bottom line is: eating pork or any flesh is not God's will, Christians are supposed to aim for God's perfect will, which is different than God's permissive will.
"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
Peter's vision wasn't of animals. It was of Gentiles.You are 100% right
I posted this thread because the Protestants (and Catholics) constant attacks on Jews and those Christians who make the effort to obey GOD'S Law.
I was hoping they would post all the he excuses I've heard over the years so I could debate their error.
Peter's vision for example. The Scriptures (Peter himself) explains the answer but Protestants simply ignore it
Exactly. But I guess you've never heard the Protestants latch on this vision as proof that unclean meats are now okay to consume.Peter's vision wasn't of food. It was of Gentiles.
Protestants and Catholics misconstrue much of the Bible.Exactly. But I guess you've never heard the Protestants latch on this vision as proof that unclean meats are now okay to consume.
It's on of MANY similar "arguments" they toss out
Notice what it says.18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Thanks for the opinion. At least it was honest. By the way, you should like to know that Moses grew up being taught to follow the gods of Egypt. When Jesus was 12, he reminded his mother and step father that he was here to do his Father in Heaven's business or calling. That was before he began his 3 year ministry. Joseph Smith learned to read from his mother teaching him through the Bible. His family and him were church goers and believed in Jesus Christ. After reading James chapter 1, he went to a quiet grove and prayed to the Father to know which church to join meaning which church was his. I have no idea about Buddha and Muhammed. But, the other three obviously believed in God. Buddha probably believed in many gods. Muhammed believed in the same God of Abraham as Ishmael is the father of the Arab people. So, every founder of any of the 4200 religions isn't atheist at all. Especially the one of the OT, NT and BofM.
By the way, how do you get the idea that the Hebrews never heard of Elohim, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Of course Israel knew of God while in captivity. <shaking head>
Jesus had no political goals. None. His goals were specific to the reason He came off his throne as Jehovah to become the Christ Jesus. He came to give the people, not only the Jews, the new and everlasting covenants and new laws to abide by. Fulfilling the law of Moses didn't mean to end all of the laws and traditions that had developed. The Ten Commandments were still under his new law. The laws and traditions He gave the ancient Israelites served their purpose at that time. He didn't come to remove the Romans nor the oppression either. He came to establish his Church with the necessary authority to perform the new priesthood ordinances of baptism and the Gift of the Holy Ghost. He also established new temple ordinances as well. There was a solemn assembly in the Los Angeles Temple of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1969 where information about an archeological find was made by some Jesuit Catholic Priests in Jerusalem that John had written. On it was Jesus having his disciples perform endowment rites that we as the LDS Church recognize. There were other religions that were summon to Israel for the finding as well. Why don't we see any of this? Simple. We won't reveal ourselves any ordinance that goes on in the Temple. So, it won't come from us and only spoken about in the Temple. Second, no other church will admit these things including the Jews themselves. So, there you have it. Just like our FBI and CIA, there are things that the people don't know about because of reasons you don't like. Back to the reason Jesus came to the earth, his main goal was to teach, preach and end his ministry by atoning for the sins of those who believe in Him. The atonement includes the resurrection so that we all will be resurrected again. This is the "grace" or gift Paul talks about. Our bodies won't be left in the grave. Even the wicked. Why? Because we consented and covenanted with the Godhead (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) in the pre-earth life where we were spirit children of our Heavenly parents to follow the Father's plan and come to the earth. The gift or grace for that is we will all be resurrected. A third of our brothers and sisters rejected the Father's plan and followed Lucifer (Satan) and were cast out of Heaven into the earth never to receive a physical human body. The Atonement was Jesus purpose. Not political stuff with the Romans or the leading bodies of Judah.
From Mark 7:18
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)
Interesting. I did not know that. Thank you.The part you put in bold large letters was commentary added by some translator, it is NOT in the original manuscripts or numerous other bible versions. Look at all the older bible versions, that statement in parenthesis is not there.
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Weird post. I answered his questions...When are you going to use your faith to start a new religion? Seriously? You don't see the power in convincing people you are God? or the primary spokesman for God?
Interesting. I did not know that. Thank you.
Edit: Just found this
The parenthetical phrase “(Thus he declared all foods clean)” is not in any of the original manuscripts; this has been added to God’s Holy Scriptures by men.
It’s not in any of the Greek or Aramaic texts whatsoever, and it’s not in any English translation printed before the 20th century.
This parenthetical phrase, or variations of it, has only been added to ‘contemporary’ bibles [e.g., ASV, BBE, CET, CSB, ESV, GNT, GWT, HCSB, NASB, NET, NIV, NLT, RSV, WNT] in the last 100 years or so.
(Thus he declared all foods clean) Part 1 | Mark 7:19
Did Jesus really ‘declare all foods clean’? What does the Greek text say?
Scripture that immediately comes to mind:For example, there are some scriptures that in the original language refer to all flesh, in other words, all living beings... but it got translated to "people."
Notice what it says.
God specifically says pork, rabbit, shrimp, dog, cat, bat.... ARE NOT "FOOD."
He didn't declare "non-foods," FOOD.
HE declared FOODS clean
I'm betting you won't get this point.
If you are dirt as a child, it doesn't magically become "food." Neither does any unclean animal
The part you put in bold large letters was commentary added by some translator, it is NOT in the original manuscripts or numerous other bible versions. Look at all the older bible versions, that statement in parenthesis is not there.
Also, Matthew 15 is the parallel account, and in that account (verse 20) Jesus makes it clear He is talking about eating with unwashed hands, not declaring all foods clean.
Here's a video to watch on this topic:
Nope. The NT only agrees with Scripture. This change came with the rise of the Counterfeit church in Rome
In the Torah “clean” and “unclean” are also used of permitted and forbidden food, and therefore, because of this passage, Christians usually have believed that the biblical food laws were abrogated by Jesus. However, one should not be too quick to throw out large portions of the Torah, in this case, portions of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, because of a four-word parenthetical comment[1] by Mark at the end of a long halachic discussion. Such a serious reversal of God’s commands and contradiction of God’s word would need explanation and discussion.
The Torah prohibits Jews from eating certain animals (Lev. 11; cf. Deut. 14; Negative Commandments #172-179). We can assume that Jesus would not have violated these commandments. (Otherwise, he would have been condemned by the words of Torah, and would have been a sinner.) Nor would he have taught others to violate the commandments since he himself taught, “Anyone who breaks them [the commandments of Torah] or teaches others to break them will be called ‘light’ [קַל, kal, that is, of no esteem]” (Matt 5:19). In other words, such a disciple could not become or remain part of the “Kingdom of Heaven,” a term that Jesus sometimes used to refer to his band of full-time disciples
Mark 7:19: Did Jesus Make “Unclean” Food “Clean”? | Jerusalem Perspective
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The more I study the bible, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that when it comes to the topic of eating flesh and how we should think about animals in general, some translators have interpreted certain passages through their modern-day carnist lens, instead of doing a direct translation of the original text.
For example, there are some scriptures that in the original language refer to all flesh, in other words, all living beings... but it got translated to "people." That can mislead readers into thinking that animals are not included in God's love and compassion, which is flatly untrue, as we know from Psalm 145:9 and numerous other verses.
I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, but what's sad is how eagerly many flesh-eating Christians look for loopholes in the bible (like Mark 7:19 in modern bibles) to continue doing what they want to do... instead of genuinely seeking God's perfect will on the matter.
From the KJV
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Well, I do.It is not permitted for you, or Death Angel, or any Christian to judge me on whether I eat meat or not
That's the purpose of this thread I started.You are not free to tell ME that I am following Jesus wrong, not when it comes to eating and drinking. This is specified many times
