Did the creation of the universe violate the laws of conservation?

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the next stage is a very dense hot mixture of elementary particles that in a few seconds congealed to isotopes of hydrogen, helium, and a small amount of other light elements there was no more mechanism for gamma production so it abated. Further cooling allowed those light nuclei to capture electrons and become atoms.

How did this produce radiation? How was matter being converted into radiation?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember, this is all just a simulation.

If it were a reality for release to the general public, you would have received the operating manual when you arrived

Thank you,

The Management

 

[Wuwei]

And to elaborate just a little- when the electrons bind to the nuclei and form the atoms, they are in a high energy state. The first thing they do is move to their lowest energy state. When an electron drops to a lower shell, a photon is emitted.

The universe is now cool enough to be transparent, and the photons are free to go on their merry way. Those photons are what make up the CMB.

That got me thinking. In solids the black body radiation formula comes from a statistical analysis of harmonic oscillators. But a gas has no bound atomic states. The movement between shells alone is the characteristic spectrum of the hydrogen, helium, etc. My thought is that Compton scattering on the looser bound outer atomic shells is what smooths the spectrum and a statistical analysis of that gives the BB curve. (Maybe)

This of course is not limited to CMB but what happens in all hot gasses. It should be easy to look up. But I'm too lazy.

 

[Wuwei]

How did this produce radiation? How was matter being converted into radiation?

para bellum just answered that.

 

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para bellum just answered that.

No. He didn't. Feel free to provide a link. He is confusing the decoupling of radiation from matter with the creation of radiation. Two different things. What created the radiation?

 

[ding]

And to elaborate just a little- when the electrons bind to the nuclei and form the atoms, they are in a high energy state. The first thing they do is move to their lowest energy state. When an electron drops to a lower shell, a photon is emitted.

The universe is now cool enough to be transparent, and the photons are free to go on their merry way. Those photons are what make up the CMB.

Again... you are confusing the decoupling of radiation from matter with the creation of radiation. Two different things. What created the radiation?

 

[Wuwei]

No. He didn't. Feel free to provide a link. He is confusing the decoupling of radiation from matter with the creation of radiation. Two different things. What created the radiation?

I add to his link in post #43. Read my last paragraph.

 

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I add to his link in post #43. Read my last paragraph.

You can't explain it because there is no other way to create that radiation other than matter antimatter annihilation. e=mc^2. You are arguing against mainstream science and have provided no explanation or links.

 

[ding]

I would have though that nobel laureate George Wald's discussion on the CMB would have been enough but the science denying is strong in some.

 

[Wuwei]

You can't explain it because there is no other way to create that radiation other than matter antimatter annihilation. e=mc^2. You are arguing against mainstream science and have provided no explanation or links.

It was already clearly explained. Oops. You are turning into a troll again.

 

[ding]

It was already clearly explained. Oops. You are turning into a troll again.

How about you and I have a 1v1 discussion on it in the bull ring?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He's just here to troll.

As opposed to your dumb ass?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It was already clearly explained.

Yep.

 

[ding]

Yep.

I love how dishonest you people are. It says a lot about you guys.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I love how dishonest you people are. It says a lot about you guys.

Has your crybabying ever gotten you anywhere?

 

[ding]

Has your crybabying ever gotten you anywhere?

I think it's criminal the way you idiots ass fuck science. You are agreeing with that idiot that the CMB is due to radiation decoupling from matter. What a bunch of ass raping idiots you guys are. Go Darwinize your dumb ignorant ass out of existence.

 

[kyzr]

Here is a much higher level debate on the subject:



But to answer the thread title and OP:
There were no physical laws during the big bang dumbass, time did not even exist at first. The entire mass of the universe was created thru an orifice about the size of an atom from a tiny speck of energy that expanded and cooled according to the physical laws of this universe to create the stars, the solar systems, and the billions of galaxies.
Some of the key parameters that allowed our universe to survive the Big Bang and create life include:
1. The force of gravity to the Coulomb force
2. Spatial Curvature

Shape of the universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

3. Nuclear force
4. Density of matter
5. Dark Matter
6. Dark energy
7. Quantum clumps
8. The chemistry of life, Carbon and Oxygen
9. Water
10. That Neutrons are 0.1% heavier than protons, or else no atoms would have formed
11. Where did all the anti-matter go? An equivalent amount of anti-matter was formed when matter was formed, so where is it?
12. That the mass of the universe was precisely set. More mass and it collapses like a black hole, less mass and it never forms atoms.
Were all of these parameters set by a supreme being, or did they just happen by dumb luck?

 

[Wuwei]

Has your crybabying ever gotten you anywhere?

I think it's criminal the way you idiots ass fuck science. You are agreeing with that idiot that the CMB is due to radiation decoupling from matter. What a bunch of ass raping idiots you guys are. Go Darwinize your dumb ignorant ass out of existence.

You really pulled his chain. He always gets way too emotional when his version of "science" is trashed.

 

[para bellum]

Again... you are confusing the decoupling of radiation from matter with the creation of radiation. Two different things. What created the radiation?

You cannot blame me because you don't understand the basic processes.

It is first year chem- when an electron in an atom moves from a higher energy state to a lower energy state, it emits a photon.

What do you think you are seeing when you look at a flame? The combustion reaction does not produce light, it produces heat. That heat is transferred to the air by conduction, which excites the molecules and causes the electrons to move to a higher energy state. The heated air rises due to convection, and it cools because it is removed from the source of heat. The electrons return to their lower energy state and release photons. You see this as a flame.

Electrons don't easily bind to protons in their lowest energy state- they bind in a high energy state, and once bound they immediately drop to their lowest energy state. That emits photons. As the universe cooled, free electrons bound to free protons and created hydrogen and helium and lithium, and in the process released the photons that we see as the CMB.

That is bog-standard, conventional mainstream cosmology. If you don't like it, that's your problem.

 

[ding]

You really pulled his chain. He always gets way too emotional when his version of "science" is trashed.

Of course you're going to see it that way. But will you see it that way after I fuck you up in the bull ring?