Difference between "subject" versus "target" of an investigation?

[DrLove]

I'm reminded of Ali's famous "rope-a-dope" strategy in the boxing ring.

Bear in mind that when you're a "subject" of an investigation, and are asked to testify under oath, the distinction that you're safe from prosecution is tenuous, at best.......One can become an easy "target" once questions are answered with lies.

The Constitutional issue has always been whether a sitting president could ever be charged with a crime....and Mueller is well aware that the SCOTUS would have to rule on that issue....HOWEVER, the ethical fallout if and when a president perjures himself has long been decided in the court of public opinion (the result is better known as, impeachment.)

Yep, this will be fun. Trump emboldened to find out he is not a criminal target - How could he be until they finish with the rest of these clowns like Little Jared?

Being now unleashed after getting rid of Dowd and bringing in a know-nothing small town lawyer from Georgia after getting turned down by every last one of the DC-savvy elites.

Dumpster fancies himself as being smarter than Mueller, which is hilarious.

He'll probably go sit down with Bob

Rope a dope is the PERFECT analogy

 

[DrLove]

LOL. ANY day now......

Perhaps there a grownup to explain to you the chart below???...............lol

The average investigation lasts 2 years and 4 months plus..

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Whitewater lasted over ten years? Just DAYUM!!

 

[DrLove]

His entire fishing expedition pretty much now depends on his ability to challenge the President's ego to get him to agree to a one-on-one interview where he will use his vast experience as a corrupt prosecutor and former Director of the FBI to successfully play 'Stump the Interviewee' / 'Gottcha'!

He has already declared he has no evidence of illegal Russian Collusion BY TRUMP, so pinning a 'Scooter Libby' indictment on the President is all he has left. "p

Mueller has declared absolutely nothing of the sort. You don't know what he has nor does your Orange God.

Tick Tock

 

[toobfreak]

LOL. ANY day now......

Perhaps there a grownup to explain to you the chart below???...............lol

The average investigation lasts 2 years and 4 months plus..

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Problem with the chart is that it doesn't prove anything but give a statistical number based on probability. If you remove the two longest investigations as aberrations, which stand way out ahead of all the others, you change the stat to only 1.8 years, and if you look at the 7 shortest investigations, by far the largest group in the set, then the average is only slightly over one year (1.15 years), right about where we are at now. The Mueller investigation could be over any time now, Mueller may have called in all his cards and is just hanging on hoping for a last minute save. I'm betting the latter.

 

[Votto]

If I were Trump, I would intentionally lie about not liking super dippy ice cream.

Being impeached for lying about not liking super dippy ice cream would be a hoot.

 

[easyt65]

Mueller has declared absolutely nothing of the sort. You don't know what he has nor does your Orange God.

In the article that was posted it states Mueller has declared the President is NOT A CRIMINAL TARGET, which means he has ZERO EVIDENCE that there was ever illegal Russian Collusion...perpetrated by any Republican let alone Trump. This has always been the case.

Feinstein and other prominent Democrats have come out to declare they have seen ZERO evidence of illegal Collusion with the Russians by Trump or his team. The MEDIA has given up on this narrative. Mueller himself admits in the article that he has given up on the Russian Narrative and has decided to focus on TRUMP'S BEHAVIOR SINCE BECOMING PRESIDENT ... which means he is focusing his attention on trying to make the case that Trump Obstructed Justice / Attempted to Obstruct justice by effecting the on-going investigation THAT WAS NEVER WARRANTED TO BEGIN WITH.

The article clearly states Mueller is focusing on 'writing his report' - not attempting to find non-existent criminal Russian Collusion and a connection to Trump but is instead focusing on Obstruction and other possible things he can use to take down Trump.

Mueller's Witch Hunt has been plagued from DAY 1 by:
- Conflicts of Interest involving him and every one on his hand-picked Anti-Trump/Pro-Hillary team, from the DNC/Hillary donors and supporters to the Clinton Foundation lawyer team member to the exposed criminal / criminally biased FIRED Counsel member / re-assigned FBI agent Strzok etc...

- Leaks of information

- Revelations that his own team members BROKE THE LAW directly impacting this case by Obstructing justice through protecting Hillary and her 2 aides from indictment but indicting a Trump team member for the exact same thing (except Flynn was so stupid he lied about something that wasn't even illegal)

- Revelations that his personally mentored protégé, involved in the case, Obstructed Justice by protecting Hillary from Indictment, committed Perjury - according to his Deputy Director of the FBI - knowingly approved leaks of classified information, was part of a treasonous 'Secret Society' committed to overthrowing the newly elected President, etc.....

There is no Russian Collusion INVOVING TRUMP.

There was never a crime committed warranting an investigation of Donald Trump or his team.

Mueller has PROVEN this by producing no evidence.

Mueller has PROVEN this by refusing to present information / evidence as requested by the House Intel Committee also conducting its own investigation

Mueller has DECLARED this to be true in this article by clearly stating Trump is not a criminal target and that he - Mueller - is now focusing on his REPORT, not 'criminal investigation against Trump'


As the song says, 'Turn out the lights, the party's over' ;p

 

[easyt65]

Whitewater lasted over ten years? Just DAYUM!!

There was a crime committed warranting an investigation of the Clintons. Mueller has yet to prove there was a crime ever committed warranting his investigation of the President in regards to non-existent criminal Russian collusion.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

His entire fishing expedition pretty much now depends on his ability to challenge the President's ego to get him to agree to a one-on-one interview where he will use his vast experience as a corrupt prosecutor and former Director of the FBI to successfully play 'Stump the Interviewee' / 'Gottcha'!

He has already declared he has no evidence of illegal Russian Collusion BY TRUMP, so pinning a 'Scooter Libby' indictment on the President is all he has left. "p

Mueller has declared absolutely nothing of the sort. You don't know what he has nor does your Orange God.

Tick Tock

Any day now, any day now...

 

[DrLove]

As the song says, 'Turn out the lights, the party's over' ;p

And as the saying goes - The fat lady isn't singing for your Toxic Orange Turd quite yet -

But she is warming up in the green room.

 

[DrLove]

There was a crime committed warranting an investigation of the Clintons. Mueller has yet to prove there was a crime ever committed warranting his investigation of the President in regards to non-existent criminal Russian collusion.

No there wasn't - Whitewater was a total bust, but you'll believe anything as long as it's about Obama or the Clintons.
Mueller has presented NOTHING as yet - I'll wait for further indictments and his final report.
You should too prior to making any more dumbass assumptions.

 

[Votto]

Does anyone know the definition of insanity?

It is the FBI not being able to officially catch Hillary in just one lie.

 

[easyt65]

And as the saying goes - The fat lady isn't singing for your Toxic Orange Turd quite yet - But she is warming up in the green room.

In your analogy, comparing it to the Mueller investigation,

The Fat Lady is Mueller...and the Fat Lady just admitted there is NO Opera, there NEVER WAS an Opera, and there is NO SONG to be Sung.

There was never a crime perpetrated warranting an investigation.
There was never illegal collusion with Russia...BY TRUMP.
THAT is why Mueller just declared Trump is not a 'criminal target' regarding the non-existent crime that never happened.
That is why the article states Mueller, instead, is going to try to focus on manufacturing an Obstruction case against the President, who fired his pupil.

 

[nat4900]

Others may also have noticed that cultists (like Queasy) FIRST state that Mueller (a republican) is biased against this republican administration for reasons only really "concluded" by other Trump cultists.....

However, even given all that bias by those darn republicans (like Comey and Rosenstein).Trump cultists are ALSO "concluding" that they have nothing and are just fishing.....LOL

Make up your fucking minds, cultists..............LOL

 

[DrLove]

The Fat Lady is Mueller...and the Fat Lady just admitted there is NO Opera, there NEVER WAS an Opera, and there is NO SONG to be Sung.

There was never a crime perpetrated warranting an investigation.
There was never illegal collusion with Russia...BY TRUMP.
THAT is why Mueller just declared Trump is not a 'criminal target' regarding the non-existent crime that never happened.
That is why the article states Mueller, instead, is going to try to focus on manufacturing an Obstruction case against the President, who fired his pupil.

You know NOTHING and are a miserable tea leaf reader

 

[nat4900]

Problem with the chart is that it doesn't prove anything but give a statistical number based on probability.

The problem with your imbecility is that you "forget" which investigations were directly implemented regarding the oval office holder AND the ones of minions serving under him.

 

[easyt65]

12 A

No there wasn't - Whitewater was a total bust.....

Are you a liar or just ignorant?

"...the investigation resulted in 14 convictions and two acquittals. Caught in the Whitewater net were: Webster Hubbell. A Clinton friend from Arkansas and former law partner of Mrs. Clinton, etc..."

NUMEROUS Clinton associates, former law firm members, friends, etc were sent to jail...and as usual the Clintons were protected from indictment / prosecution....

Caught In The Whitewater Net

Webster Hubbell. A Clinton friend from Arkansas and former law partner of Mrs. Clinton...

James McDougal. A Clinton friend and Whitewater business partner

Susan McDougal. With her former husband, James, Mrs. McDougal was a partner in the Whitewater land deal and in Madison Guaranty

Governor Jim Guy Tucker President Clinton's successor as Arkansas governor

Stephen Smith. A former Clinton aide


So Bill and Hillary go into business with friends, colleagues, former law firm partners, aides, the successor of Bill Clinton in Arkansas, and others....the Business venture turned into a massive criminal scam / case, 14 of those involved along with the Clintons in this venture end up getting convicted, and - AMAZINGLY ENOUGH - the Clintons skate out of the whole scandal as almost the ONLY 2 NOT convicted.

Wow, what a lucky break.

 

[easyt65]

The Fat Lady is Mueller...and the Fat Lady just admitted there is NO Opera, there NEVER WAS an Opera, and there is NO SONG to be Sung.

There was never a crime perpetrated warranting an investigation.
There was never illegal collusion with Russia...BY TRUMP.
THAT is why Mueller just declared Trump is not a 'criminal target' regarding the non-existent crime that never happened.
That is why the article states Mueller, instead, is going to try to focus on manufacturing an Obstruction case against the President, who fired his pupil.

You know NOTHING and are a miserable tea leaf reader

Nice meme - was your 1st try in crayon? Too bad Mueller just admitted Trump is not a criminal target....as he has no evidence .. of anything.

 

[DrLove]

Nice meme - was your 1st try in crayon? Too bad Mueller just admitted Trump is not a criminal target....as he has no evidence .. of anything.

He admitted no such thing, but hey man - Whatever keeps you comfortably numb

 

[DrLove]

So Bill and Hillary go into business with friends, colleagues, former law firm partners, aides, the successor of Bill Clinton in Arkansas, and others....the Business venture turned into a massive criminal scam / case, 14 of those involved along with the Clintons in this venture end up getting convicted, and - AMAZINGLY ENOUGH - the Clintons skate out of the whole scandal as almost the ONLY 2 NOT convicted.

Wow, what a lucky break.

So they couldn't nail Bill & Hill after ten years?

Yowzer - This calls for ANOTHER Whitewater investigation!

 

[nat4900]

Are you a liar or just ignorant?

"...the investigation resulted in 14 convictions and two acquittals. Caught in the Whitewater net were: Webster Hubbell. A Clinton friend from Arkansas and former law partner of Mrs. Clinton, etc..."

Here's a recap that you will truly LOVE, Queasy...........lol

Obama (D) - 8yrs in office. zero criminal indictments, zero convictions and zero prison sentences. so the next time somebody describes the Obama administration as "scandal free" they aren't speaking wishfully, they're simply telling the truth.

Bush, George W. (R) - 8yrs in office. 16 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 9 prison sentences.

Clinton (D) - 8yrs in office. 2 criminal indictments. one conviction. one prison sentence. that's right nearly 8yrs of investigations. tens of millions spent and 30yrs of claiming them the most corrupt ever and there was exactly one person convicted of a crime.

Bush, George H. W. (R) - 4yrs in office. one indictment. one conviction. one prison sentence.

Reagan (R) - 8yrs in office. 26 criminal indictments. 16 convictions. 8 prison sentences.

Carter (D) - 4yrs in office. one indictment. zero convictions and zero prison sentences.

Ford (R) - 2 1/2 yrs in office. one indictment and one conviction. one prison sentence. Pardoned Richard Nixon.

Nixon (R) - 6yrs in office. 76 criminal indictments. 55 convictions. 15 prison sentences.

Johnson (D) - 5yrs in office. zero indictments. zero convictions. zero prison sentences.

So, let’s see where that leaves us. in the last 53 years Democrats have been in office for 25 of those years while Republicans held it for 28. in their 25yrs in office Democrats had a total of three executive branch officials indicted with one conviction and one prison sentence. that's one whole executive branch official convicted of a crime in two and a half decades of Democrat leadership.

In the 28yrs that Republicans have held office over the last 53yrs they have had a total of(a drum roll would be more than appropriate), 120 criminal indictments of executive branch officials. 89 criminal convictions and 34 prison sentences handed down. That's more prison sentences than years in office since 1968 for Republicans. If you want to count articles of impeachment as indictments (they aren't really but we can count them as an action), both sides get one more. However, Clinton wasn't found guilty while Nixon resigned and was pardoned by Ford. so those only serve to make Republicans look even worse.

With everything going on with Trump and his people right now, it's a safe bet Republicans are going to be padding their numbers a bit real soon. So let's just go over the numbers one more time shall we. 120 indictments for Republicans. 89 convictions and 34 prison sentences. Those aren't "feelings" or "alternate facts" those are simply the stats by the numbers. Republicans are, and have been the most criminally corrupt party to hold the office of the presidency.”