Dismemberment abortion ban sent to WV Governors desk

[aris2chat]

It is a woman's right and they simply make sure there is not heart beat so their is no pain or sensation.
The removal is basically the same idea and a D&C, which is common enough when the body does not release all waste each month. There are a few options but the lining is removed.
The idea of ripping a living fetus apart is incorrect. Nor can something already dead bleed to death.

Religion should not be apart of anti-abortion reason since not every one is of the same faith or more particularly of the same church or synagogue. Some women might be atheist and don't believe in the religious that attempt to impose their faith on other people. They have no right to take a woman's right or free choice from her.
For home abortions all those interfering people have no right to even know what happens.

As far as government funding, government down not pay for abortions except in time of rape. It is not yours, any church or organization and the governments business. It is a matter between the patient and the doctor. Now it is a matter of a phone call or email order and not hands of any doctor is involved. After the first week, she requires only a blood test and ultra sound or place the order which she takes herself at home.

In the case of deformed of brain damaged, it is a mercy rather than make an infant die a horrible death. In the case of mother's medical treatment, always, always the doctor will work to save the mother first if possible. The fetus is removed while so she can be treated. To remove after treatment begins risk infection and other complication while the immune system is compromised which could mean her death.

No one should be forced to carry and give birth against their will or if it mean endangering their health.

The woman's body, the woman's choice.

Ending a pregnancy is permitted in the religious text. The know herbs used to brew the potions are for the most part bitter, the text refers to them as bitter water which is given to the women.

In most cases the woman can give birth later on. Women who get chemo are often given the option to save their eggs in case they are all killed.

If someone objects on moral ground, they should not get an abortion, but they have no right to force their beliefs on others.

All types of exaggerations and lies used to make those not involved that somehow the fetus has any feeling at all in the process. They create imagery of butchery and brutality when that is not the case. A D&C is not a pleasant procedure, but the discomfort goes away quickly enough. It is just tissue and blood that would otherwise become toxic to the woman if not removed. If the body does not expel it naturally then the doctor needs to remove it with one of a few procedures.

So because they feel no pain,not sure how you'd know that considering no ones around to say different,it makes killing okay?

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

When you start pulling a kid out in pieces it's nothing short of murder.
Are there exceptions? Of course,but i'd rather see em hand out birth control and the morning after pill like skittles.

fetus is already dead before any procedure to remove it begins. It is dead tissue
You are not preventing the death only changing how dead tissue is removed.

Women can take pills at home up to 24 weeks, inducing a miscarriage, then it goes to a hospital with this bill for removal instead of clinic. You are not preventing anything. The dead tissue still needs to be removed.

If she takes pills she get by mail or gets an injection from a doctor, the fetus is still dead.

The substance for the injection can be bought a number of laces for a few dollars. Mix with water and inject with syringe. A mid wife or nurse would know where to inject. An ultra sound could be rented at most medical supply stores. Someone could stick the needle in and the woman can inject herself.

You are not stopping anything. If she wants to terminate, she will. By pills, injection or throwing her self down the stairs or wrapping her car round a lamp post. You cannot stop her.

Once the fetus is dead, any doctor is obligated by some procedure to remove it.

She can pay $600 at a clinic for an abortion, $50 for a home kit or terminate on her own for $3-4 and let insurance or the state pick up the cost for the removal.

Your bill has accomplished nothing.

Keep making it harder and she will end up finding some back alley doctor.

There are too many natural and openly available means from herbs, pills, injections or a coat hanger.

Break the water, start the bleeding, make the heart stop and she can walk into any emergency room or call 911.

My first choice would always be birth control. You don't even need to go to a pharmacy and purchase it. People are not taught to use what can be found in any home, or even found on the street, garden or public park for free.

If you know how to kill sperm cells you have birth control. You just have to use it before sex.

After sex there are many ways that work relatively well to prevent pregnancy. It still only take one sperm out of millions involved in each coupling

Every form has at least a 0.01% change of failure. Even a cold or allergy can cause birth control to fail.

You are not going to force a woman to be a mother if she does not want to carry or give birth.

A mountain of paper is not going to stop her finding a way to terminate.

 

[aris2chat]

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

Wrong

You have no right to decide what she talks to her doctor about or what procedure she decides to have.
You have no part in her decisions
No moral, legal, financial or medical reason to know or interfere.

None.

Try and interfere and you can go to jail.

Her body, her decision.

When it is "your" body you get to make the choices.

Passing this bill is irrelevant unless she needs an abortions for medical reason after 24 weeks.

Your bill amounts to 0.05% that would need to go to hospital instead of a clinic. It would then have a higher cost to the insurance, everyone's insurance as it is medical. Roe v wade still stands.

You still cannot stop abortions, only a particular method of D&C, and to so it is no longer a self pay but become medical necessity under insurance.

The method might change but not her right to choose.

Anything after 24 weeks already required a three day process and an injection first day to terminate, then on the third day to remove the dead tissue. You also just made the procedure more complicated and painful for the woman with a longer healing time instead of very small incisions where she could go home the same day.

The fetus is already dead before any clinic or hospital procedure begins, so what do you think this bill accomplishes? You also just made the tissue more viable for donation because the doctor removes a whole fetus. If she is getting the abortions so she can under go medical treatment, you delayed her start time which puts her life at a higher risk.

and this makes you feel proud of yourself and your state?

It is an empty bill as she can cross state lines if she wants.

it was a worthless statement that probably won't stand.

Taking the fetus apart is making it easier to remove the tissue. It is not ripping a living to pieces. The fetus would have been dead after the injection two days before.

Bravo, you wasted time and paper to put the mother at higher risk for a procedure she will still be needing and increased medical cost in the process.

How did this accomplish any thing?

Liar. If it is my Child I have every right and obligation. You are a cold evil woman.

A child, it is rape. If she is at least 14, she can fight you legally and make her own medical and life choices, emancipation.

I am not being evil, just factual. You really have no say.

a woman or girl in this country can not be forced to carry and give birth.

If you try and force your own child, you can be charged and go to jail.

It would rather Utopian if abortions were not necessary, but some people are not ready or do not want to be a mother or carry a child, or there are health reasons that would make it too complicated for her to try.

I'm not forcing any one to have an abortion, but you don't have the right to prevent a person from having one either.

I find it evil to try and force a person t go through a pregnancy if she does not want to. It is her body and legally her choice.

 

[aris2chat]

It is a woman's right and they simply make sure there is not heart beat so their is no pain or sensation.
The removal is basically the same idea and a D&C, which is common enough when the body does not release all waste each month. There are a few options but the lining is removed.
The idea of ripping a living fetus apart is incorrect. Nor can something already dead bleed to death.

Religion should not be apart of anti-abortion reason since not every one is of the same faith or more particularly of the same church or synagogue. Some women might be atheist and don't believe in the religious that attempt to impose their faith on other people. They have no right to take a woman's right or free choice from her.
For home abortions all those interfering people have no right to even know what happens.

As far as government funding, government down not pay for abortions except in time of rape. It is not yours, any church or organization and the governments business. It is a matter between the patient and the doctor. Now it is a matter of a phone call or email order and not hands of any doctor is involved. After the first week, she requires only a blood test and ultra sound or place the order which she takes herself at home.

In the case of deformed of brain damaged, it is a mercy rather than make an infant die a horrible death. In the case of mother's medical treatment, always, always the doctor will work to save the mother first if possible. The fetus is removed while so she can be treated. To remove after treatment begins risk infection and other complication while the immune system is compromised which could mean her death.

No one should be forced to carry and give birth against their will or if it mean endangering their health.

The woman's body, the woman's choice.

Ending a pregnancy is permitted in the religious text. The know herbs used to brew the potions are for the most part bitter, the text refers to them as bitter water which is given to the women.

In most cases the woman can give birth later on. Women who get chemo are often given the option to save their eggs in case they are all killed.

If someone objects on moral ground, they should not get an abortion, but they have no right to force their beliefs on others.

All types of exaggerations and lies used to make those not involved that somehow the fetus has any feeling at all in the process. They create imagery of butchery and brutality when that is not the case. A D&C is not a pleasant procedure, but the discomfort goes away quickly enough. It is just tissue and blood that would otherwise become toxic to the woman if not removed. If the body does not expel it naturally then the doctor needs to remove it with one of a few procedures.

So because they feel no pain,not sure how you'd know that considering no ones around to say different,it makes killing okay?

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

When you start pulling a kid out in pieces it's nothing short of murder.
Are there exceptions? Of course,but i'd rather see em hand out birth control and the morning after pill like skittles.

It is not a kid, it is dead tissue that would become toxic if not removed.

Fetus is dead before any removal procedure. The woman has the legal right of her body and every right to terminate.

You can keep blowing but you can't force anyone to carry and give birth. Not your say.

 

[Coyote]

What it boils down to is a female who is stupid enough to get herself knocked up this day and age with contraceptives being so readily available and inexpensive, is suddenly intelligent enough to decided upon the life or death of the baby within her womb. Unwanted pregnancy except by reason or rape is totally unwarranted in this day and age.

Good point. I keep forgetting the male has no role in this.

 

[aris2chat]

So because they feel no pain,not sure how you'd know that considering no ones around to say different,it makes killing okay?

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

This is why women are so screwed in the head.

I'd imagine they'd have to come up with all kinds of reasons why it's okay just to try and smother the guilt they feel.

Why should she feel guilt if it is the right choice for her to make. That is her legal right to decide. It is her body.

 

[Weatherman2020]

BREAKING: West Virginia House passes dismemberment abortion ban: sends to governor’s desk

Hope he signs it. He is a democrat so who knows.

It should be the right of every parent to dismember their children.

 

[Coyote]

What it boils down to is a female who is stupid enough to get herself knocked up this day and age with contraceptives being so readily available and inexpensive, is suddenly intelligent enough to decided upon the life or death of the baby within her womb. Unwanted pregnancy except by reason or rape is totally unwarranted in this day and age.

It is "her" womb. Her right to her choice. If she wants to remove part or whole of her womb, that is her right. You get no say if she gets a D&C, takes birth control, has sex, has a her tubes tied, has a hysterectomy or has an abortion.

It is my business if she is having it done at Planned Parenthood which is receiving my tax dollars and donating those dollars toward Hillary Clinton's Presidential campaign. No, the murder of her baby is not on my hands. She will answer for that decision.

So does that mean you are in the front of the line of those volunteering to donate their bodies to house unwanted fetus'?

 

[aris2chat]

What it boils down to is a female who is stupid enough to get herself knocked up this day and age with contraceptives being so readily available and inexpensive, is suddenly intelligent enough to decided upon the life or death of the baby within her womb. Unwanted pregnancy except by reason or rape is totally unwarranted in this day and age.

It is "her" womb. Her right to her choice. If she wants to remove part or whole of her womb, that is her right. You get no say if she gets a D&C, takes birth control, has sex, has a her tubes tied, has a hysterectomy or has an abortion.

You must be carrying some serious guilt....

Why? I have had a very full and accomplished life? Most of my life has been helping other and saving lives. In any emergency or doctors office the first concern would always be for the woman's mental, and physical well being. If she is not ready to be a mother, that is her right. If she has other plans and ambitions, that is her choice.

HER choice, not yours or anyone else's.

You can't force her not to have an abortion and I am not trying to force anyone to have an abortion.

Neither of us have that right. It has to be her choice, her body and her life.

If you interfere or try to take those right away from her then you are are the evil one.

I'm not judging her choices, but you and a few others seem determined to judge her and force her to feel guilt for her legal choices or force her to endure the pregnancy she does not want.

 

[aris2chat]

BREAKING: West Virginia House passes dismemberment abortion ban: sends to governor’s desk

Hope he signs it. He is a democrat so who knows.

It should be the right of every parent to dismember their children.

It is the right of a woman to choose not to carry a fetus, it is her womb.

 

[Weatherman2020]

BREAKING: West Virginia House passes dismemberment abortion ban: sends to governor’s desk

Hope he signs it. He is a democrat so who knows.

It should be the right of every parent to dismember their children.

It is the right of a woman to choose not to carry a fetus, it is her womb.

Yep, rip that full term baby apart as it comes out. Fun, fun, fun.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So because they feel no pain,not sure how you'd know that considering no ones around to say different,it makes killing okay?

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

When you start pulling a kid out in pieces it's nothing short of murder.
Are there exceptions? Of course,but i'd rather see em hand out birth control and the morning after pill like skittles.

fetus is already dead before any procedure to remove it begins. It is dead tissue
You are not preventing the death only changing how dead tissue is removed.

Women can take pills at home up to 24 weeks, inducing a miscarriage, then it goes to a hospital with this bill for removal instead of clinic. You are not preventing anything. The dead tissue still needs to be removed.

If she takes pills she get by mail or gets an injection from a doctor, the fetus is still dead.

The substance for the injection can be bought a number of laces for a few dollars. Mix with water and inject with syringe. A mid wife or nurse would know where to inject. An ultra sound could be rented at most medical supply stores. Someone could stick the needle in and the woman can inject herself.

You are not stopping anything. If she wants to terminate, she will. By pills, injection or throwing her self down the stairs or wrapping her car round a lamp post. You cannot stop her.

Once the fetus is dead, any doctor is obligated by some procedure to remove it.

She can pay $600 at a clinic for an abortion, $50 for a home kit or terminate on her own for $3-4 and let insurance or the state pick up the cost for the removal.

Your bill has accomplished nothing.

Keep making it harder and she will end up finding some back alley doctor.

There are too many natural and openly available means from herbs, pills, injections or a coat hanger.

Break the water, start the bleeding, make the heart stop and she can walk into any emergency room or call 911.

My first choice would always be birth control. You don't even need to go to a pharmacy and purchase it. People are not taught to use what can be found in any home, or even found on the street, garden or public park for free.

If you know how to kill sperm cells you have birth control. You just have to use it before sex.

After sex there are many ways that work relatively well to prevent pregnancy. It still only take one sperm out of millions involved in each coupling

Every form has at least a 0.01% change of failure. Even a cold or allergy can cause birth control to fail.

You are not going to force a woman to be a mother if she does not want to carry or give birth.

A mountain of paper is not going to stop her finding a way to terminate.

So who created the "dead flesh"?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

This is why women are so screwed in the head.

I'd imagine they'd have to come up with all kinds of reasons why it's okay just to try and smother the guilt they feel.

Why should she feel guilt if it is the right choice for her to make. That is her legal right to decide. It is her body.

So maybe your mother should have aborted you since you seem to be just fine with it.
Why do I have a feeling you have a good reason to feel guilty?

 

[aris2chat]

What it boils down to is a female who is stupid enough to get herself knocked up this day and age with contraceptives being so readily available and inexpensive, is suddenly intelligent enough to decided upon the life or death of the baby within her womb. Unwanted pregnancy except by reason or rape is totally unwarranted in this day and age.

It is "her" womb. Her right to her choice. If she wants to remove part or whole of her womb, that is her right. You get no say if she gets a D&C, takes birth control, has sex, has a her tubes tied, has a hysterectomy or has an abortion.

It is my business if she is having it done at Planned Parenthood which is receiving my tax dollars and donating those dollars toward Hillary Clinton's Presidential campaign. No, the murder of her baby is not on my hands. She will answer for that decision.

You have not right to know of or interfere in any medical decision between her and her doctor. Done not matter if she goes to a clinic, office or hospital. In an office or clinic she pays to terminate. If the fetus dies and has to be removed out side those setting it falls on the insurance or tax payer for the cost of removal. If she needs to terminate after 24 weeks it become medical necessity and it is covered by insurance.

Fetus is dead before an removal procedure begins.

It is her legal right to decide if she wants to carry and give birth.

It has nothing to do with your taxes, nor do you have a say.

You can shut down every hospital and clinic in the country which means all women are without all services including prenatal and child birth, and the death rates will go up dramatically, but it is still her right to choose for her body and her life.

You would have accomplished nothing but to kill other woman that wanted to have a child.

closing clinics our of some spite because she does not share your values or obey your dictates for her life makes no sense.

It is her body and you have no right to know if she is pregnant or if she does choose to have an
abortion or not. You should not have access to her medical records. You have not part in her choices.

You should not know if she got to a clinic of office for advice, information, a check up, birth control, prenatal care, cancer screening or an abortion. Her medical recorders are private. You don't get to know what happens in the exam room or office. You certainly don't get a vote or force her to do anything or prevent her.

None of your business.

 

[aris2chat]

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

This is why women are so screwed in the head.

I'd imagine they'd have to come up with all kinds of reasons why it's okay just to try and smother the guilt they feel.

Why should she feel guilt if it is the right choice for her to make. That is her legal right to decide. It is her body.

So maybe your mother should have aborted you since you seem to be just fine with it.
Why do I have a feeling you have a good reason to feel guilty?

My mother had the right to choose. She has made many choices in her life I don't agree with, but they are her choices. Every woman does. When she give me her proxy, then I make the choices, but giving her proxy was her choice. She decided if she was DNR. She choose what measures she wanted or didn't. She had the right to refuse care. She had the right to donate organs and tissue. When she gives her proxy she had the right to make sure I follow her choices legally written. If there is anything not specified, then I decide. I had everything she wanted spelled out before she signed. She knew at some point she would not have the mental capacity to make her own choices. I followed her choices. It was her life.

If someone decides they don't want to fight cancer, they have the right to hospice and in some places even euthanasia.

If someone choose not to have surgery, that is their choice. They want to refuse meds, their choice. The can choose not to go to physical therapy.

People have the right to not go to work, to not eat, to over use alcohol or misuse drugs.

Even if they are arrested, put through a drug program and released, they choose to return to self abusive behavior.

We make choices everyday we have to live that impact the rest of our lives. That is our right.

You can help people if they are willing, but you cannot force them or control their life.

Unless the person gives you the written right to access their medical records, you should never know if they decide to get an abortion.

 

[aris2chat]

So because they feel no pain,not sure how you'd know that considering no ones around to say different,it makes killing okay?

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Murder of a child, plain and simple. Cold hearted evil beings women are.

And I suppose you, arid, want tax payers money to pay for the murder of that Child? More stupid evil thinking.

Taxes play no part in her choices. Taxes don't pay for abortions except in the case of rape. Been more than thirty years that tax money has not been involved. She chooses, she pays out of pocket.

Her life choices are hers alone.

The taxes you are so worried about pay for everyone woman and some men to get information about birth control and family planning, exams and screening for disease and cancers as well as sexual health and ability to function. Blood tests, ultra sounds, prescription. You precious tax money does not pay for abortions.

Clinics and doctors have to be staffed and operate normally. The woman's right to choose has nothing to do with you. Denying her the right and freedom to choose does however make you a criminal. Your opinion does not matter. If you interfere, you can be arrested.

If she chooses a home abortion, you still have no say, nor to you or your taxes pay. If she goes to some back alley and has complication, you end up paying.

If she carries the fetus, you and insurance pay. If she rejects the baby you pay. If she has an abortion you have no part in her life, legally, morally or financially. None.
If she has an abortion and donates the tissue, you still have no say at all.

You get to make your choices for your body and everyone else gets to make theirs.

That's a lot of BS. My tax dollars go to Planned Parenthood. It helps keep their doors open.

Everyone's tax money might keep a clinic open that provides a wide ranger of services, free, covered by insurance or at low charge. What those services are is none of your business. To get an abortion any place, she has to pay for that service. If the fetus is dead and needs to be removed, that falls under life saving and covered by insurance or state funds for the uninsured.

The choice to terminate at home, clinic or hospital is a private matter. You have no right to even know.

 

[aris2chat]

“The fetus, in many cases, dies just as a human adult or child would: It bleeds to death as it is torn apart limb by limb,” Justice Kennedy wrote in his dissent in the 2000 case Stenberg v. Carhart. “The fetus can be alive at the beginning of the dismemberment process and can survive for a time while its limbs are being torn off.”


jesus christ...how the hell can anyone support this disgusting practice!?

The injection given the fetus before the removal begins makes sure the fetus is already dead and can't bleed to "death"
Dead has not feeling in the incident of not coming out whole.
the patient needs everything to come out completely, and if there are lots of pieces there is a greater chance bits would remain.

So the fetus is alive? They should charge the fake doctors and the so called mothers with murder.

It is a woman's right and they simply make sure there is not heart beat so their is no pain or sensation.
The removal is basically the same idea and a D&C, which is common enough when the body does not release all waste each month. There are a few options but the lining is removed.
The idea of ripping a living fetus apart is incorrect. Nor can something already dead bleed to death.

Religion should not be apart of anti-abortion reason since not every one is of the same faith or more particularly of the same church or synagogue. Some women might be atheist and don't believe in the religious that attempt to impose their faith on other people. They have no right to take a woman's right or free choice from her.
For home abortions all those interfering people have no right to even know what happens.

As far as government funding, government down not pay for abortions except in time of rape. It is not yours, any church or organization and the governments business. It is a matter between the patient and the doctor. Now it is a matter of a phone call or email order and not hands of any doctor is involved. After the first week, she requires only a blood test and ultra sound or place the order which she takes herself at home.

In the case of deformed of brain damaged, it is a mercy rather than make an infant die a horrible death. In the case of mother's medical treatment, always, always the doctor will work to save the mother first if possible. The fetus is removed while so she can be treated. To remove after treatment begins risk infection and other complication while the immune system is compromised which could mean her death.

No one should be forced to carry and give birth against their will or if it mean endangering their health.

The woman's body, the woman's choice.

Ending a pregnancy is permitted in the religious text. The know herbs used to brew the potions are for the most part bitter, the text refers to them as bitter water which is given to the women.

In most cases the woman can give birth later on. Women who get chemo are often given the option to save their eggs in case they are all killed.

If someone objects on moral ground, they should not get an abortion, but they have no right to force their beliefs on others.

All types of exaggerations and lies used to make those not involved that somehow the fetus has any feeling at all in the process. They create imagery of butchery and brutality when that is not the case. A D&C is not a pleasant procedure, but the discomfort goes away quickly enough. It is just tissue and blood that would otherwise become toxic to the woman if not removed. If the body does not expel it naturally then the doctor needs to remove it with one of a few procedures.

If a woman does not want to be pregnant she has shitloads of options to deal with it by natural means or the day after pill. No one else has to be involved or help pay for another person to destroy a child in her womb. Its barbaric what abortion doctors do and even more barbaric to use aborted fetus cells that have been cloned in food products without ever fully identifying that is what they are doing.

She has a legal right for an abortion if she so choose. It is her body.

Her medical and life choices should never be open to you or anyone else.

You have no right to judge her or force her to follow your will

You should never even be aware of her choice.

 

[aris2chat]

BREAKING: West Virginia House passes dismemberment abortion ban: sends to governor’s desk

Hope he signs it. He is a democrat so who knows.

It should be the right of every parent to dismember their children.

It is a dead fetus tissue. Why should it matter by which method of D&C she chooses to pay for to remove it? Her medical choice should be confidential. None of your business

 

[emilynghiem]

“The fetus, in many cases, dies just as a human adult or child would: It bleeds to death as it is torn apart limb by limb,” Justice Kennedy wrote in his dissent in the 2000 case Stenberg v. Carhart. “The fetus can be alive at the beginning of the dismemberment process and can survive for a time while its limbs are being torn off.”


jesus christ...how the hell can anyone support this disgusting practice!?

The injection given the fetus before the removal begins makes sure the fetus is already dead and can't bleed to "death"
Dead has not feeling in the incident of not coming out whole.
the patient needs everything to come out completely, and if there are lots of pieces there is a greater chance bits would remain.

So the fetus is alive? They should charge the fake doctors and the so called mothers with murder.

It is a woman's right and they simply make sure there is not heart beat so their is no pain or sensation.
The removal is basically the same idea and a D&C, which is common enough when the body does not release all waste each month. There are a few options but the lining is removed.
The idea of ripping a living fetus apart is incorrect. Nor can something already dead bleed to death.

Religion should not be apart of anti-abortion reason since not every one is of the same faith or more particularly of the same church or synagogue. Some women might be atheist and don't believe in the religious that attempt to impose their faith on other people. They have no right to take a woman's right or free choice from her.
For home abortions all those interfering people have no right to even know what happens.

As far as government funding, government down not pay for abortions except in time of rape. It is not yours, any church or organization and the governments business. It is a matter between the patient and the doctor. Now it is a matter of a phone call or email order and not hands of any doctor is involved. After the first week, she requires only a blood test and ultra sound or place the order which she takes herself at home.

In the case of deformed of brain damaged, it is a mercy rather than make an infant die a horrible death. In the case of mother's medical treatment, always, always the doctor will work to save the mother first if possible. The fetus is removed while so she can be treated. To remove after treatment begins risk infection and other complication while the immune system is compromised which could mean her death.

No one should be forced to carry and give birth against their will or if it mean endangering their health.

The woman's body, the woman's choice.

Ending a pregnancy is permitted in the religious text. The know herbs used to brew the potions are for the most part bitter, the text refers to them as bitter water which is given to the women.

In most cases the woman can give birth later on. Women who get chemo are often given the option to save their eggs in case they are all killed.

If someone objects on moral ground, they should not get an abortion, but they have no right to force their beliefs on others.

All types of exaggerations and lies used to make those not involved that somehow the fetus has any feeling at all in the process. They create imagery of butchery and brutality when that is not the case. A D&C is not a pleasant procedure, but the discomfort goes away quickly enough. It is just tissue and blood that would otherwise become toxic to the woman if not removed. If the body does not expel it naturally then the doctor needs to remove it with one of a few procedures.

If a woman does not want to be pregnant she has shitloads of options to deal with it by natural means or the day after pill. No one else has to be involved or help pay for another person to destroy a child in her womb. Its barbaric what abortion doctors do and even more barbaric to use aborted fetus cells that have been cloned in food products without ever fully identifying that is what they are doing.

She has a legal right for an abortion if she so choose. It is her body.

Her medical and life choices should never be open to you or anyone else.

You have no right to judge her or force her to follow your will

You should never even be aware of her choice.

Dear aris2chat
by the same token,
neither should you nor I impose a public policy that conflicts with the sacred beliefs of others.

There is harm caused on both sides, of either abortion that causes harm and is a compromise,
and harm in forcing anyone to do something against their will or beliefs, either way.

There is no way to get around this without violating someone's beliefs, because
induced abortion is not natural.

So the only way to agree is to PREVENT abortion, so we never have to debate that.
By preventing pregnancy, this issue does not have to come up.

And if you think pregnancy can't be prevented, think again.
The acts of sex leading to pregnancy are either forced by a person by rape,
or it is consensual.

There is no such thing as an accidental pregnancy unless
the sex is truly accidental and not the conscious choice of either party.

That is where we might reach agreement on focusing on prevention.

Because people's beliefs about right to life and right to choose cannot be forced to change
by govt, this issue is not going to be resolved by outvoted, outnumbering, or overruling one side by the other.

Only by preventing unwanted pregnancy and abortion 100% by free choice
are you going to end the debate, by preventing abortion from ever having to be considered in the first place.
Then we can agree, by free choice, and not get into endless arguments
about which side is imposing their beliefs politically -- they both are.

So for there to be equal representation and protection of both sides' viewpoints,
it is clear that abortion must be prevented. otherwise the people will never agree.
The prochoice people will never agree to laws that ban abortion and force women
already in compromised situations to suffer disproportionately after the fact, when
it affects the women more than the men. The prolife people who believe that abortion
is deliberate killing and murder will never agree that
abortion is an acceptable compromise.

both sides agree the ideal is to prevent abortion in the first place.
If we agree to focus there, we can eventually eliminate this entire problem.

 

[aris2chat]

BREAKING: West Virginia House passes dismemberment abortion ban: sends to governor’s desk

Hope he signs it. He is a democrat so who knows.

It should be the right of every parent to dismember their children.

It is the right of a woman to choose not to carry a fetus, it is her womb.

Yep, rip that full term baby apart as it comes out. Fun, fun, fun.

24 week is not full term.
It is not a baby, it is fetus in "her" womb.
How the dead tissue is removed should never be disclosed to you. Records are confidential between patient and doctor.

She has the right to choose a hysterectomy, ripped apart her womb and/or ovaries into small pieces and sucked out two tiny holes near her belly button instead if vaginally or a large abdominal incision. Why should her womb lining be any different?

You don't get to see her medical records or know her choices.

 

[aris2chat]

It is dead tissue before removal even begins. The whole lining of the woman is removed.

Ya still had to kill them first.

It is her body, her tissue, her nourishment, her blood, her life, her mind, her choice.

I she wants to have a breast removed, it is her tissue that is being killed. If she wants her womb removed, that is her decision. If she wants part of her womb removed, it her choice.
Till it is living on it's own outside her body, it is still part of her and she can do what she wants.
If it cannot breath and function apart from her, it is not an independent life and what happens is her decision.

You have no part in her decision or what she does. When it is your body, you can decide. Her body, you don't get a vote. As long as it is inside her, it is her body. When it is outside her body, she can walk away. No one can make her choices for her.

Even the bible does not give a value for a life till it is at least a month old.

If she is does not believe in god or have any faith, you cannot impose yours on her against her will.

Either way you have no say at all

She has the right to control her own body. If she chooses not to share her body, that is her right.

Morally and legally, you get no part in her life or what she thinks is best for her.

You can only decide for your body.

When you start pulling a kid out in pieces it's nothing short of murder.
Are there exceptions? Of course,but i'd rather see em hand out birth control and the morning after pill like skittles.

fetus is already dead before any procedure to remove it begins. It is dead tissue
You are not preventing the death only changing how dead tissue is removed.

Women can take pills at home up to 24 weeks, inducing a miscarriage, then it goes to a hospital with this bill for removal instead of clinic. You are not preventing anything. The dead tissue still needs to be removed.

If she takes pills she get by mail or gets an injection from a doctor, the fetus is still dead.

The substance for the injection can be bought a number of laces for a few dollars. Mix with water and inject with syringe. A mid wife or nurse would know where to inject. An ultra sound could be rented at most medical supply stores. Someone could stick the needle in and the woman can inject herself.

You are not stopping anything. If she wants to terminate, she will. By pills, injection or throwing her self down the stairs or wrapping her car round a lamp post. You cannot stop her.

Once the fetus is dead, any doctor is obligated by some procedure to remove it.

She can pay $600 at a clinic for an abortion, $50 for a home kit or terminate on her own for $3-4 and let insurance or the state pick up the cost for the removal.

Your bill has accomplished nothing.

Keep making it harder and she will end up finding some back alley doctor.

There are too many natural and openly available means from herbs, pills, injections or a coat hanger.

Break the water, start the bleeding, make the heart stop and she can walk into any emergency room or call 911.

My first choice would always be birth control. You don't even need to go to a pharmacy and purchase it. People are not taught to use what can be found in any home, or even found on the street, garden or public park for free.

If you know how to kill sperm cells you have birth control. You just have to use it before sex.

After sex there are many ways that work relatively well to prevent pregnancy. It still only take one sperm out of millions involved in each coupling

Every form has at least a 0.01% change of failure. Even a cold or allergy can cause birth control to fail.

You are not going to force a woman to be a mother if she does not want to carry or give birth.

A mountain of paper is not going to stop her finding a way to terminate.

So who created the "dead flesh"?

Her legal choice to terminate, or share her body for nine months

Her body, her womb, her life, her decision.

You should never know or have any part in her decision.