Do liberals ever wonder why our Founders were 100% opposed to big government even....

[jon_berzerk]

What an unsurprise, a typical response from Edward.

should I encourge liberal violence so they can always evade substance?

I encourage liberal abortion, it will eventually work out.

if that doesnt work

they should go for plan b

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

what a surprise, a typical liberal too slow for substance

What an unsurprise, a typical response from Edward.

should I encourge liberal violence so they can always evade substance?

suicide is a viable option for some people and I know you like to lead by example.

 

[thereisnospoon]

even before they saw it in the form of Nazism and liberal communism??

Nope. And they do not care either.
As far as the typical lib is concerned, the Founding Fathers were nuts. Just a bunch of Bible thumping wackos.
Libs despise the Founders because libs think the biggest mistake the Founders made was writing a Constitution.

Libs despise the founders....? Do you make this stuff up or do hear it on radio?
I would venture to guess that you haven't met too many liberals in your life. You must be listening to the radio know nothings. By the way, tell me the conservative administration that has honored the constitution. Remember, only Congress can declare war.

No and No..
You people are enamored with the idea of an all encompassing central government.
I have met and know plenty of your side's spokespeople. Invariably, their refrain is consistent. They believe that government is the answer to all of their needs and their problems.
You should not have brought up the declaration of war issue.
War Powers | Law Library of Congress | Library of Congress

the second part requires the President to consult with Congress before introducing U.S. armed forces into hostilities or situations where hostilities are imminent, and to continue such consultations as long as U.S. armed forces remain in such situations (50 USC Sec. 1542). The third part sets forth reporting requirements that the President must comply with any time he introduces U.S. armed forces into existing or imminent hostilities (50 USC Sec. 1543); section 1543(a)(1) is particularly significant because it can trigger a 60 day time limit on the use of U.S. forces under section 1544(b).

The fourth part of the law concerns Congressional actions and procedures. Of particular interest is Section 1544(b), which requires that U.S. forces be withdrawn from hostilities within 60 days of the time a report is submitted or is required to be submitted under Section 1543(a)(1), unless Congress acts to approve continued military action, or is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Section 1544(c) requires the President to remove U.S. armed forces that are engaged in hostilities "without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization" at any time if Congress so directs by a Concurrent Resolution (50 USC 1544). Concurrent Resolutions are not laws and are not presented to the President for signature or veto; as a result the procedure contemplated under Section 1544(c) is known as a "legislative veto" and is constitutionally questionable in light of the decision of the United States Supreme Court in INS v. Chadha, 462 U.S. 919 (1983). Further sections set forth expedited Congressional procedures for considering proposed legislation to authorize the use of U.S. armed forces, as well as similar procedures regarding proposed legislation to withdraw U.S. forces under Section 1544(c) (50 U.S. 1545-46a).

 

[regent]

The founders took a very weak government, with virtually no powers, and changed it to a government with tremendous powers, powers that many conservatives complain about today. Where did the founders get all those new powers, they took them from the state governments. To change the government the founders were required by the states to have 13 votes to change the government, but the founders changed that to nine votes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

even before they saw it in the form of Nazism and liberal communism??

. . . or eddybaiamontism? Moron, go tell your theory to big government Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Jay, etc.

What a fucking moron you are, eddy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The founders took a very weak government, with virtually no powers, and changed it to a government with tremendous powers,

of course thats a pure and perfect idiotic liberal lie. George Washingtons goverment was 1% the size of todays and even so his party was destroyed never to be heard from again because Americans thought government was too big in 1792!!

Welcome, liberal, to your first lesson in American History.

Slow??????????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Libs despise the founders....? Do you make this stuff up or do hear it on radio?
.

dear, liberals spied for Stalin and gave him the bomb!! They elected Obama despite 2 communist parents and voting to the left of Bernie Sanders.

Our founders were for freedom not liberal communism??

It seems almost impossible that anyone could be so dumb as to not know that?? Am I right??

 

[Crackerjaxon]

even before they saw it in the form of ...

what they saw was the conservative inspired Articles of Confederation and collectively sent it to the refuse pile ... and adopted the Liberal, U S Constitution.

That was downright delusional.

Did someone actually present that to you as a truth, or did you just make it up?

Please tell me you didn't learn it at school.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

what they saw was the conservative inspired Articles of Confederation and collectively sent it to the refuse pile ... and adopted the Liberal, U S Constitution.

dear if the Constitution was liberal, liberal judges could be originalists or textualists,or literalists i.e., they could merely read it to know its meaning.

A treasonous liberal can't do that of course. For it to be liberal it has to be living or to be changable into anything they want it to be which is always opposed to the original or literal meaning of the text.

I know that was 1000 miles over your head!!. Sorry!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives have an elaborate myth for everything, don't they?

Everything, as in every case where the truth makes them unhappy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Conservatives have an elaborate myth for everything, don't they?

Everything, as in every case where the truth makes them unhappy.

typical liberal who lacks the IQ for substance so pretends he's a shrink

 

[JakeStarkey]

eddy had this strange "my facts" belief that is out of touch with America's narrative.

Too stupid, dear

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Conservatives have an elaborate myth for everything, don't they?

can you say what the myth is or must you admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so??

 

[JakeStarkey]

eddy is a myth master or a myth mistress. Too stupid, dear.

 

[BreezeWood]

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What could be a more Liberal text 1787 than the Preamble to the U S Constitution ... not only in contrast to the British Monarchy but as well to the conservative, non functional "States Rights" Articles of Confederation.

what may not have been in the Federalist Papers (conservatives) is in the Constitution by those who wrote it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What could be a more Liberal text 1787 than the Preamble to the U S Constitution ... not only in contrast to the British Monarchy but as well to the conservative, non functional "States Rights" Articles of Confederation.

what may not have been in the Federalist Papers (conservatives) is in the Constitution by those who wrote it.

and your point is?????????

 

[francoHFW]

The FF WERE the big gov't liberals of their day- no monarchy had a constitution or Bill of Rights. So dumb.

 

[regent]

The founders took a very weak government, with virtually no powers, and changed it to a government with tremendous powers,

of course thats a pure and perfect idiotic liberal lie. George Washingtons goverment was 1% the size of todays and even so his party was destroyed never to be heard from again because Americans thought government was too big in 1792!!

Welcome, liberal, to your first lesson in American History.

Slow??????????

When was Washington's party destroyed, certainly not in 1792, for Washington was reelected in that year. The Federalist party ran candidates for the presidency until the 1820's. But it is not just your history that is questionable but your interpretation of politics. For example, is the size of government the primary reason people vote?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives have an elaborate myth for everything, don't they?

can you say what the myth is or must you admit as a liberal you lack the IQ to do so??

That 100% of the founders opposed big government.

btw. without a powerful central government, a Constitution, especially one with guaranteed civil rights, is meaningless,

because it takes the power of a big central government to enforce it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

That 100% of the founders opposed big government.

Too stupid then why be so afraid to say who the founders were who were for big government!! What does your obvious fear tell us.

btw. without a powerful central government, a Constitution, especially one with guaranteed civil rights, is meaningless,

because it takes the power of a big central government to enforce it.

too stupid of course!! Founders only goal was to avoid powerful big central governemnt because it had always been misused throughout human history.

You're literally too stupid to know what the idea of American is!

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson