Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election

[jc456]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

consequences matter? look at you! you don't care that hitlery and weiner did illegal shit. you're just bothered they were caught. There's a real american for you.

 

[Auld Phart]

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and how many votes did Gore lose the EC by?

Less than 500, in ONE state.

straw man.

russia didn't have a hand in that.

not the point, as you well know

(and how do you know Russia had nothing to do with it?)

your claim is that Hillary lost because of 70,000 votes in 3 states.

Sounds familiar, because the claim in 2000 was that Gore lost votes, because they called Florida early, and people didn't go out late to vote.

 

[Care4all]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

FYI
Only 70,000 swung the electoral college!

how many swung it in Florida, 2000?

less than 500 difference between bush v gore

but al gore got around 10,000 votes in palm beach county.... due to the butterfly ballot... that did not count.... Pat Buccanon spent zero advertising in Palm beach county and made zero visits campaigning there..... most all of the votes he got, were for Gore, even Buccanon says so....

the PEOPLE of Florida, overwhelmingly picked Gore over Bush.

the conservative u.s.supreme court picked Bush....

 

[playtime]

Even the intelligence community isn't saying they "changed the outcome". In fact I haven't heard anybody aside from maybe a couple partisan hacks on USMB ever make that claim. The concern isn't whether or not they changed the outcome. It's whether or not they were involved in any meddling. Let's say a football team cheats, but the other side still wins. We don't let the cheaters off the hook just because they failed to have any effect on the outcome.

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

yes. it was US. why is that ok with you?

why is it ok for the US to interfere in other countries?

i never said it was ok. but god damn you are showing your tender white underbelly 'cause your guy won? still consider yourself american?

you didn't actually answer and it was a question. just saying. More than you'll ever be. I believe in the people of the US and would never insult hard working americans over illegal aliens. Ever!!!!! Tell us again how bad american workers are.

no. it is not ok. clear enough?

the rest of your post is pablum.

 

[bodecea]

If Russians helped Trump to be elected where is the frickn' EVIDENCE????????

It's been almost 2 years and only blah-blah instead of single fact!

What kind of evidence would prove it, to you?

What is it that you want to see?

They don't want to see or accept anything....they've already gone all in on trump. And trump has gone all in for Putin.

 

[playtime]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

How many Dem voters were turned into deplorables by Russian memes on Facebook?

don't know. not many by the sheer # of the popular vote.

 

[Auld Phart]

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

glad to have proof you march in (democratic) lockstep.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Zander is that you?

On topic, Americans are dumb enough already, 'dark money' keeps them dumb. No need for Russians, but I gotta laugh as they often view my posts. Hope I'm not giving them any ideas.

Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder
The Making of Donald Trump by David Cay Johnston

Oh I know Trump snowflakes don't read, maybe one does?

So, you're still not admitting that those Facebook ads made you flip your vote.

 

[jc456]

Russia, like the United States, have meddled in other countries elections for decades now.

But this is different?

-Geaux

yes. it was US. why is that ok with you?

why is it ok for the US to interfere in other countries?

i never said it was ok. but god damn you are showing your tender white underbelly 'cause your guy won? still consider yourself american?

you didn't actually answer and it was a question. just saying. More than you'll ever be. I believe in the people of the US and would never insult hard working americans over illegal aliens. Ever!!!!! Tell us again how bad american workers are.

no. it is not ok. clear enough?

the rest of your post is pablum.

but factual.

 

[playtime]

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

and they MAY be the reason Hillary lost in those states

hillary lost the electoral college. by some 75K votes.

and how many votes did Gore lose the EC by?

Less than 500, in ONE state.

straw man.

russia didn't have a hand in that.

not the point, as you well know

(and how do you know Russia had nothing to do with it?)

your claim is that Hillary lost because of 70,000 votes in 3 states.

Sounds familiar, because the claim in 2000 was that Gore lost votes, because they called Florida early, and people didn't go out late to vote.

m'k. this isn't anything like that, but you keep on keepin' on.

 

[jc456]

Zander is that you?

On topic, Americans are dumb enough already, 'dark money' keeps them dumb. No need for Russians, but I gotta laugh as they often view my posts. Hope I'm not giving them any ideas.

Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right by Jane Mayer
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder
The Making of Donald Trump by David Cay Johnston

Oh I know Trump snowflakes don't read, maybe one does?

So, you're still not admitting that those Facebook ads made you flip your vote.

well right? he needs the DNC to tell him how to vote.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things.

The Comey announcement combined with the Social Media blitz by the Russians and the Wiki-leaks releases definitely swung the election with only 200K votes in the balance. If Trump had won the popular vote, I would be skeptical. He didn't, even though he would like you to believe he did.

We have a country now run by a President selected by the minority of the country. It would not be so bad if he was at least competent.

LOLOLOLOLOMG!!!!

That's hilarious!!!!! "Only about 200K votes swung the election because of the Gerrymandering, Voter Intimidation and rules changes by Republicans mostly in Red states. Democrats have no history of doing these things."

OMG!!!! Great work, M, best and funniest sock since yesterday!

Wait, you're not serious, are you?

 

[OldLady]

It's very simple, and it concerns me. Is it possible that they in fact hacked servers and changed votes? That is the only way they impacted the election and in the back of my mind I have always suspected it could be possible, just because of the reaction. All the more reason to demand ID to vote.

Otherwise, no way in hell they make up the difference. That is all on Hillary and Americans desire for change. Obama is as much a reason Trump is president as any, he was dragging America to socialism.

Changing votes isn't the only way to influence an election and it also isn't the only criminal way to do it. Apparently they stole voter data and hacked into election and campaign systems. Those breaches are illegal. Social engineering is powerful stuff too and is one of the big pillars of cyber crime. Just because someone convinces you with false information and identity to you yourself do something of your own will doesn't make it legal, right, or fair play in our elections. This might not seem very different from our normal extreme partisan politics around election time but when it's part of a broad orchestrated campaign like our foreign adversary Russia's, then it is an attack on our sovereign republic.

But what about when we, the United States do it to other countries? Is that illegal as well?

-Geaux

What countries have indicted us? I must have missed it.

 

[playtime]

changed?

no.

influenced deplorables by playing on their poorly educated fears & racism, fence sitters, & jill stein voters & bernie bros especially after those 'discovered' duplicate e-mails on weiner's computer came into play?

yep.

consequences matter? look at you! you don't care that hitlery and weiner did illegal shit. you're just bothered they were caught. There's a real american for you.

 

[playtime]

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

glad to have proof you march in (democratic) lockstep.

lol... what? i have voted for many (R)s, & have said so many times on this board. so, you sir... are quite wrong.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Did they change the outcome???.....NO

Did they meddle where they don't belong???...….probably and that should be a lesson to be learned by our government. FIX IT so nobody can interfere again, instead of continuing to whine about it & point fingers over it.


If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem......simple as that

 

[aaronleland]

and just as likely the 'known fact it was Hillarys turn', which polls kept proving, kept voters at home, instead of going to the polls and ensuring it.

those that didn't vote have no say whatsoever. they are dismissed & rightly so.

Of course we have a say. Especially if we spent over a year criticizing both candidates. Both sides had been presented with plenty of information about the candidates for years, and still the two worst possible candidates won the primaries. Why then should non-voters be dragged into the shit show they had no part in creating?

a fucking WRITE - IN is better than not voting at all. if you let others decide your fate without an input, then ya--- stfu.

Bullshit. I've been in this game long enough to know what disingenuous hacks the "you have no say" crowd are. You vote third party or write-in, and they tell you that you wasted your vote. You vote for the guy they don't like, and they shit all over you for that. It's never about the actual principle of voting. They wanted you to vote for whoever they wanted you to vote for.

oh i voted for nader in 2000 against my own state senator so i know the perils of voting 3rd party. never will again. never actually gave a write in & probably never will. but to waste the opportunity to vote = giving up your right to complain. doing nothing is way worse than any of the other options.

How is it the non-voters doing nothing? So some dude got his lawn mowed early instead of leaving the house, standing in a long line, knowing full well that he would have zero impact on a single human life that day. At least he feels warm and fuzzy inside. Time well spent.

 

[Care4all]

If Russians helped Trump to be elected where is the frickn' EVIDENCE????????

It's been almost 2 years and only blah-blah instead of single fact!

What kind of evidence would prove it, to you?

What is it that you want to see?

They don't want to see or accept anything....they've already gone all in on trump.

If the Trump campaign did not conspire with the Russians, then regardless of the Russian influence, Trump won fair and square....it would not be Trump's fault for the Russian's criminal doings.....

BUT if the Trump campaign was condoning it and helping them/conspiring with the Russians,

then Trump and his team, CHEATED and we don't let known cheaters keep the crown, the second runner up, gets it!

The presidency is different than a Beauty contest, has different rules, but the bottom line is still the same, we don't let cheaters, keep their win.... even if they would have won, without the cheating they did.

 

[conserveguy877]

The Trump Russia Hoax gimmick is still a thing?

 

[playtime]

Did they change the outcome???.....NO

Did they meddle where they don't belong???...….probably and that should be a lesson to be learned by our government. FIX IT so nobody can interfere again, instead of continuing to whine about it & point fingers over it.


If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem......simple as that

what happens when the 'president' doesn't even believe it happened & is doing nothing to make sure it can't happen again? a lot of people just wanna swallow hard.