Zone1 Does anyone else here believe (as I do) that ALL who ever lived will live forever with God in his kingdom?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You think I am confused, do you. The Bible summary is, "Love God and love your neighbor. The rest is commentary."

Yes, according to you.

If I ask someone else, I will get a different summary.

It's like you ran headfirst into the point without realizing it.

And notice how you have to abandon most of the content of the Bible, to make a point.

Clue #1

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There must be something to the Bible, Indie.

No there must not. If not for conquering armies and ongoing brainwashing of children, Christianity would be a dusty, old, obscure religion practiced by few to no people.

 

[luiza]

The Cult Christians are a dying species .
There is little good to remember them by .
A cult of nonsense promises , all failed ones .

 

[The Irish Ram]

No there must not. If not for conquering armies and ongoing brainwashing of children, Christianity would be a dusty, old, obscure religion practiced by few to no people.

That is what you say. But, see, Christ said the exact opposite.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Because:
Your word, O LORD, is everlasting; it is firmly fixed in the heavens.

And here we are, thousands of years later, discussing His word. So, so far, what Christ said is the truth:
The number of bibles sold on average has more than doubled in the US since 1950 with:

• 20 million bibles sold each year
• 1.66 million bibles sold each month
• 384,615 bibles sold per week
• 54,945 bibles sold every day
• 2,289 bibles sold per hour
• 38 bibles sold per minute
• 6.4 bibles sold every 10 seconds
• In addition to the bibles sold, another 115,055 bibles are given away or distributed every day

Over 5 billion sold worldwide.

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, according to you.

Actually, according to rabbis hundreds of years ago...

 

[Arlette]

That is what you say. But, Christ said the exact opposite:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Because:
Your word, O LORD, is everlasting; it is firmly fixed in the heavens.

And here we are, thousands of years later, discussing His word...

We don't what what "Christ" said. All we know is what his biographers said.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is what you say. But, Christ said the exact opposite:
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Because we can read and write, not because he was a magical God.

Zeus's words didn't pass away either. Neither did Mohammed's.

 

[Meriweather]

And notice how you have to abandon most of the content of the Bible, to make a point.

I am abandoning nothing. Do you want to select a passage that is not about loving God or loving one's fellow man?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am abandoning nothing. Do you want to select a passage that is not about loving God or loving one's fellow man?

You of course are. You had to reduce it to two sentences, and those aren't even unique to Christianity or the Bible.

Cheap con, won't work, just strengthens my point.

And what kind of morally or mentally deficient person would need to wade through thousands of pages of utter nonsense to arrive at those simple ideas, anyway? None of this is adding up.

 

[Meriweather]

just strengthens my point.

You have no point...but carry on

 

[The Irish Ram]

We don't what what "Christ" said. All we know is what his biographers said.

Because we can read and write, not because he was a magical God.

Zeus's words didn't pass away either. Neither did Mohammed's.

If I took 40 people here, and told them to write a short report on the history of the world, without using any references, no history books, no internet, no phones, no reading the other 39 reports first, how many of those books would say the same thing? How many of the 4 page reports would use the same stanzas as the rest? Could I put the reports together and get a concise, understandable chronology of the history of the world in a book?

The disciples went in all different directions and regions. They had a candle and a pen and some paper. They wrote what they heard and saw separately. And what they wrote fits together like hand and glove. To further solidify that, there are codes in the Bible that depend on every letter being in the right spot in order to code.
God was the author. He used His own servants to hold the pen. To prove it was Him and not the ones with the pen, 1/4 of what He told them was prophetic.

 

[Arlette]

If I took 40 people here, and told them to write a short report on the history of the world, without using any references, no history books, no internet, no phones, no reading the other 39 reports first, how many of those books would say the same thing? How many of the 4 page reports would use the same stanzas as the rest? Could I put the reports together and get a concise, understandable chronology of the history of the world in a book?

The disciples went in all different directions and regions. They had a candle and a pen and some paper. They wrote what they heard and saw separately. And what they wrote fits together like hand and glove. To further solidify that, there are codes in the Bible that depend on every letter being in the right spot in order to code.
God was the author. He used His own servants to hold the pen. To prove it was Him and not the ones with the pen, 1/4 of what He told them was prophetic.

What they heard and saw, eh? That's how we got the story of Jesus alone in the wilderness, conversing with Satan? Who heard and saw that exactly?

 

[The Irish Ram]

What they heard and saw, eh? That's how we got the story of Jesus alone in the wilderness, conversing with Satan? Who heard and saw that exactly?

Jesus. He was there and trustworthy. The Bible if filled with things that Jesus said...

 

[K9Buck]

K9Buck, you have built a whole different scenario based on a word. The Bible traces Satan and his actions, from Genesis to Revelation. If he is wreaking havoc the Bible records it, If he is tempting Jesus,we are told. If he is chained, it says so. If he is loosed, it says so. But nowhere from Genesis to Revelation does it say that Satan is loosed after a billion years to befriend Jesus and God. You relied on your own understanding to arrive at that conclusion.

If you re-translate forever to a span of time, and more explicitly, and ever to a span of time, then it means for all the spans of time of the spans of time. That means in every time in all the spans of time.
Or, if you like, for all the eons of all the eons. < There is no mention of the ending of any of those eons.
If you limit all the eons of all the eons to a time limit, then you have to do the same through out the Bible where ever forever describes without end. You put a time limit on God's glory, God's love, His life, His blessings, His mercy,by changing forever to, at some point it ends.

Psalm 136
His love endures forever. Give thanks to the Lord of lords: His love endures forever. to him who alone does great wonders, His love endures forever. who by his understanding made the heavens, His love endures forever...

You misunderstand. You also reject the word of God.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You have no point...but carry on

Indeed I did and still do.

You whiffed badly, trying to counter it.

I pointed out that the idea of the Bible being infallible truth doesn't align with the fact that no two people agree on it.

You tried a parlor trick, claiming they all agree on a general principle that one does not even need the Bible for.

Which obviously does not even touch my point.

 

[K9Buck]

Choose wisely, your eternity is what you are wagering...

Like a game show, right? If one gives the wrong answer they're condemned to suffer forever in a pot of molten lava, right?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The disciples went in all different directions and regions. They had a candle and a pen and some paper.

And they were all wrong.

And you would be pretty silly to ask 40 random people to write a history book. A rational person would go to 40 historians.

 

[K9Buck]

Psalm 136
His love endures forever. Give thanks to the Lord of lords: His love endures forever. to him who alone does great wonders, His love endures forever. who by his understanding made the heavens, His love endures forever.

Mistranslation.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Mistranslation.

lol.
Psalm 136:
Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the God of gods.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the Lord of lords:
His love endures forever.
to him who alone does great wonders,
His love endures forever.
who by his understanding made the heavens,
His love endures forever.
who spread out the earth upon the waters,
His love endures forever.
who made the great lights—
His love endures forever.
the sun to govern the day,
His love endures forever.
the moon and stars to govern the night;
His love endures forever.
to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt
His love endures forever.
and brought Israel out from among them
His love endures forever.
with a mighty hand and outstretched arm;
His love endures forever.
to him who divided the Red Sea asunder
His love endures forever.
and brought Israel through the midst of it,
His love endures forever.
but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea;
His love endures forever.
to him who led his people through the wilderness;
His love endures forever.
to him who struck down great kings,
His love endures forever.
and killed mighty kings—
His love endures forever.
Sihon king of the Amorites
His love endures forever.
and Og king of Bashan—
His love endures forever.
and gave their land as an inheritance,
His love endures forever.
an inheritance to his servant Israel.
His love endures forever.
He remembered us in our low estate
His love endures forever.
and freed us from our enemies.
His love endures forever.
He gives food to every creature.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the God of heaven.
His love endures forever.
^
forever = without end.

Satan's stay in the Lake of Fire is forever too...

 

[K9Buck]

lol.
Psalm 136:
Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the God of gods.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the Lord of lords:
His love endures forever.
to him who alone does great wonders,
His love endures forever.
who by his understanding made the heavens,
His love endures forever.
who spread out the earth upon the waters,
His love endures forever.
who made the great lights—
His love endures forever.
the sun to govern the day,
His love endures forever.
the moon and stars to govern the night;
His love endures forever.
to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt
His love endures forever.
and brought Israel out from among them
His love endures forever.
with a mighty hand and outstretched arm;
His love endures forever.
to him who divided the Red Sea asunder
His love endures forever.
and brought Israel through the midst of it,
His love endures forever.
but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea;
His love endures forever.
to him who led his people through the wilderness;
His love endures forever.
to him who struck down great kings,
His love endures forever.
and killed mighty kings—
His love endures forever.
Sihon king of the Amorites
His love endures forever.
and Og king of Bashan—
His love endures forever.
and gave their land as an inheritance,
His love endures forever.
an inheritance to his servant Israel.
His love endures forever.
He remembered us in our low estate
His love endures forever.
and freed us from our enemies.
His love endures forever.
He gives food to every creature.
His love endures forever.
Give thanks to the God of heaven.
His love endures forever.
^
forever = without end.

Satan's stay in the Lake of Fire is forever too...

Which Bible did you use?