Dresden in 1945

[zaangalewa]

Yes, because all you lunatics are so credible.

I doubt you know what "because" means, I doubt you know what "all" means, I know that you do not know what "you" means - I guess you are not educated enough to see a parallel between "mondsüchtig" (lunatics) and "I had a dream". And what I think about the use of the word "credible" in the English speaking world would need more lines as I like to write here. But what causes me no headache is your "Yes". You say with this "yes" that you are a shadow made from drugs. So keep far from candles or other lights and far from alcohol and drugs.

 

[Stryder50]

@Stryder

Do you have any argument exept the stupid war propaganda from world war 1+2 in which you believe? What do you know really? A simple "faks news" comment explains nothing at all.

I've no where near the stupid anti-war, anti-West, socialist/communist, revisionist history distortion you advocate.
I appear to know far more than you do.

Of the eleven possible responses; six are some form of positive, three are rather ambiguous, and two are negative.
One of the two is the thumbs down "disagree".
The other is the "fake news" which has to cover: "stupid", "disinformation", "misinformation", "grossly ignorant", "wrong", "Lie/lies", and any other negativity that is beyond the basic "disagree".
The forum could use more than just those two selections.

 

[zaangalewa]

Stryder50

First comment: "Fake news" is another expression for "You are a liar". I do not take serios people like you.

I've no where near the stupid anti-war, anti-West, socialist/communist, revisionist history distortion you advocate.
I appear to know far more than you do.

Of the eleven possible responses; six are some form of positive, three are rather ambiguous, and two are negative.
One of the two is the thumbs down "disagree".
The other is the "fake news" which has to cover: "stupid", "disinformation", "misinformation", "grossly ignorant", "wrong", "Lie/lies", and any other negativity that is beyond the basic "disagree".
The forum could use more than just those two selections.

What do you try to speak about? You said absolutelly nothing except to try to defame - what's typical for the propaganda-structure of extremists.

Fact is that Germany never did do anything bad to the USA. Now exists the problem for Germany that we will have to fight against the psycho Putin and his criminal gang - with, without or against the USA. Your decision.

If you are the USA then I suggest to you to bring all your soldiers home to the USA and to continue to sleep well the sleep of the unjust so we will not be forced one day to send your boys home scalped because they will have to follow the orders of the autocratic high traitor Donald Trump.

 

[Zebra]

Of course Dresden must have had some industry but it was not militarily significant.

You're not considering the time of this blatant war crime.

There were no "troops bound for the Russian Front" in February of 1945 and most of Germany was rubble at that time.

If the firebombing of Dresden was done for military considerations, why did Churchill admit that it was about "roasting refugees"?

“I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
Prime Minister Winston Churchill

horrible!

 

[otto105]

horrible!

Why is anyone defending the firebombing of Dresden when Hitler decided to stop attacking Englands military to do the London Blitz.

 

[Deadstick]

Stryder50

First comment: "Fake news" is another expression for "You are a liar". I do not take serios people like you.



What do you try to speak about? You said absolutelly nothing except to try to defame - what's typical for the propaganda-structure of extremists.

Fact is that Germany never did do anything bad to the USA. Now exists the problem for Germany that we will have to fight against the psycho Putin and his criminal gang - with, without or against the USA. Your decision.

If you are the USA then I suggest to you to bring all your soldiers home to the USA and to continue to sleep well the sleep of the unjust so we will not be forced one day to send your boys home scalped because they will have to follow the orders of the autocratic high traitor Donald Trump.

The less you SOBs have to say about Russia and Ukraine the better or you could get another spanking.

 

[Deadstick]

horrible!

Sorry to say in the words of Mr Goebbels do you want total War more total and radical than you could imagine? well that was total War and it is horrible with many civilians dying, my Mother lived through the Blitz in Manchester when the City was bombed most nights, early one morning when she came out of the shelter to find her friend the whole street had gone.

 

[zaangalewa]

Sorry to say in the words of Mr Goebbels do you want total War more total and radical than you could imagine? well that was total War and it is horrible with many civilians dying, my Mother lived through the Blitz in Manchester when the City was bombed most nights, early one morning when she came out of the shelter to find her friend the whole street had gone.

As an inland port and industrial center of war production, Manchester and the surrounding area were selected targets for the German Air Force under the Nazis. Not to forget: England declared war on Germany - not Germany did do so. In both world wars.

If I see it the right way then less than 1000 Brits died in this attacks. So what do you really compare? In Dresden had been about a million refugees who you bombed down and it existed not any war production in Dreden and surrounding. It is said about 100,000 people died there in only the most heavy attack of the Brits - most of them had been refugees. I fear indirectly died much more people because the soldiers in the military garrision there had been coordinating streams of refugees.

Incidentally, it is interesting to hear that Goebbels was a commander in the British army. He was never commander of the German army. He was Hitler's Reich Minister of Propaganda. The message "total war" which Goebbels staged in the Sportpalast with his Nazis meant "war is lost".

 

[gipper]

Sorry to say in the words of Mr Goebbels do you want total War more total and radical than you could imagine? well that was total War and it is horrible with many civilians dying, my Mother lived through the Blitz in Manchester when the City was bombed most nights, early one morning when she came out of the shelter to find her friend the whole street had gone.

My mother in law was in a labor camp outside Dresden, when it was fire bombed. She said it lite up the night. A war crime for which no one paid a price.

 

[Deadstick]

As an inland port and industrial center of war production, Manchester and the surrounding area were selected targets for the German Air Force under the Nazis. Not to forget: England declared war on Germany - not Germany did do so. In both world wars.

If I see it the right way then less than 1000 Brits died in this attacks. So what do you really compare? In Dresden had been about a million refugees who you bombed down and it existed not any war production in Dreden and surrounding. It is said about 100,000 people died there in only the most heavy attack of the Brits - most of them had been refugees. I fear indirectly died much more people because the soldiers in the military garrision there had been coordinating streams of refugees.

Incidentally, it is interesting to hear that Goebbels was a commander in the British army. He was never commander of the German army. He was Hitler's Reich Minister of Propaganda. The message "total war" which Goebbels staged in the Sportpalast with his Nazis meant "war is lost".

Did i say Goebbels was a commander in any army? he made that total war speech and quoted Bismarck to a hall full of Nazi fanatics who had not had enough of total war, sad to say thats what they got in Dresden which was wrong it was terror bombing, but don't down play what my Mother lived through in Manchester and all other British Cities, then there was the V-2 threat that was indiscriminate.

 

[zaangalewa]

Did i say Goebbels was a commander in any army? he made that total war speech and quoted Bismarck to a hall full of Nazi fanatics who had not had enough of total war,

This was a propaganda inscenation of the Nazis, idiot.

sad to say thats what they got in Dresden

Who do you call "they" now? Do you really think the dozens of Nazis at Goebbels inscenation in the Sportpalast had been the dozens of thousands of refugees in Dresden?

which was wrong it was terror bombing,

It was mass-murder what you did do - war crimes - all over Germany and not only in Dresden.

but don't down play what my Mother lived through in Manchester and all other British Cities,

What was the problem of your mother? The same as the problem of my wifes mother who survived in Dresden?

then there was the V-2 threat that was indiscriminate.

Poor Britain. What a pitty that you had to genocide the Prussians, the Silesians, the Bohemians, the Moravians and others and to murder millions of civilists all over Germany - specially also together with romantic middle age cities which burned so nice what enjoyed your hearts. What had happened if we had genocided the Scots, the Welsh and the Brits - what we anyway never had done? Then you would be Irish now and love Great Britain very much.

 

[gipper]

This was a propaganda inscenation of the Nazis, idiot.



Who do you call "they" now? Do you really think the dozens of Nazis at Goebbels inscenation in the Sportpalast had been the dozens of thousands of refugees in Dresden?



It was mass-murder what you did do - war crimes - all over Germany and not only in Dresden.



What was the problem of your mother? The same as the problem of my wifes mother who survived in Dresden?



Poor Britain. What a pitty that you had to genocide the Prussians, the Silesians, the Bohemians, the Moravians and others and to murder millions of civilists all over Germany - specially also together with romantic middle age cities which burned so nice what enjoyed your hearts. What had happened if we had genocided the Scots, the Welsh and the Brits - what we anyway never had done? Then you would be Irish now and love Great Britain very much.

Yes what the allies did to Germany was horrific. War crimes everywhere and no one paid a price for those crimes. This in no way justifies or minimizes war crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

WWII like most wars, was set up and instigated by powerful hidden forces. It should have never involved the US or Britain.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes what the allies did to Germany was horrific.

Don't do me the favor of melting into false pity now.

War crimes everywhere and no one paid a price for those crimes.

Many victims paid the price.

This in no way justifies or minimizes war crimes committed by Nazi Germany.

WWII like most wars, was set up and instigated by powerful hidden forces. It should have never involved the US or Britain.

Not your decision. What do you have to do with World War 1+2? Was your father or grandfather a criminal in this time of history?

 

[gipper]

Don't do me the favor of melting into false pity now.



Many victims paid the price.



Not your decision. What do you have to do with World War 1+2? Was your father or grandfather a criminal in this time of history?

I should know better than to respond to your posts. You make so little sense.

 

[Grau]

My mother in law was in a labor camp outside Dresden, when it was fire bombed. She said it lite up the night. A war crime for which no one paid a price.

The fire bombing of Dresden was never intended to have any legitimate military value:

- “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
Prime Minister Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster

Fear-Monger, War Criminal, Racist

www.counterpunch.org

Another heavily censored Churchill quote which explains why Churchill rejected the "Hitler - Hess Peace Proposal" (1)

"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

The history truth about WWII you should know!

Winston Churchill: We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not. - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it. - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood) Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2…

lorddreadnought.livejournal.com

What else gets conveniently omitted when the victors write the history:

EXCERPT
"- The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain.

This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;" CONTINUED. (2)

A day doesn't pass when I don't remember George Orwell's observation concerning the study of history:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

Thanks & keep up the good work...





(1). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


(2). "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

 

[gipper]

The fire bombing of Dresden was never intended to have any legitimate military value:

- “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
Prime Minister Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster

Fear-Monger, War Criminal, Racist

www.counterpunch.org

Another heavily censored Churchill quote which explains why Churchill rejected the "Hitler - Hess Peace Proposal" (1)

"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

The history truth about WWII you should know!

Winston Churchill: We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not. - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast) Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it. - Winston Churchill (November 1936 to US-General Robert E. Wood) Germanys unforgivable crime before WW2…

lorddreadnought.livejournal.com

What else gets conveniently omitted when the victors write the history:

EXCERPT
"- The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain.

This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;" CONTINUED. (2)

A day doesn't pass when I don't remember George Orwell's observation concerning the study of history:

"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

Thanks & keep up the good work...





(1). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.historyextra.com/news/se...estern-europe-exchange-free-hand-attack-ussr’

EXCERPT ""A new book claims to have solved the riddle of the flight to Britain in 1941 of Rudolph Hess, Adolf Hitler’s deputy. Historian Peter Padfield has uncovered evidence he says shows Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, brought with him from Hitler a detailed peace treaty, under which the Nazis would withdraw from western Europe in exchange for British neutrality over the imminent attack on Russia. The episode remains, more than 70 years on, shrouded in mystery."CONTINUED


(2). "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940"

Amazon.com

www.amazon.com

Churchill was a drunken fool. A warmongering maniac entirely controlled by wealthy Jewish bankers wanting world war.

That Tucker interview of Darryl Cooper was outstanding and look how the establishment has responded to it. Same old BS antisemitism slur and labeling him a Hitler supporter. Anyone who exposes the wrongs of establishment history must be silenced.

Orwell was right again.

 

[otto105]

Churchill was a drunken fool. A warmongering maniac entirely controlled by wealthy Jewish bankers wanting world war.

That Tucker interview of Darryl Cooper was outstanding and look how the establishment has responded to it. Same old BS antisemitism slur and labeling him a Hitler supporter. Anyone who exposes the wrongs of establishment history must be silenced.

Orwell was right again.

...According to pravda....

 

[gipper]

...According to pravda....

Cliche…and so expected by dumb statists.

 

[otto105]

Cliche…and so expected by dumb statists.

Hilarious

Was it the UK that matched into Poland in 1939?

 

[zaangalewa]

I should know better than to respond to your posts. You make so little sense.

What only shows that you are not able to think on your own indepedendently, anti-Semite. Everyone murdered each other in World War 2. The USA did do what the USA was doing. The UK did do what the UK did do. Germany did do what Hitler liked to be done. Russia did do what Stalin liked to be done. That's why "Germany" murdered also Germans and "Russia" murdered also Russians.