Drive by shooting in England just days after mass public shooting in England. 5 shooters on the scene of barbecue.

[2aguy]

Stupid questions unrelated to anything being discussed. You gun nuts sure have problems staying on subject.

You refuse to answer those questions....posted in several threads.

Allow me to answer for you since you refuse to answer those questions.

For you, you would choose the woman being beaten, tortured, raped and murdered instead of being able to use a gun to stop it.

Knowing the woman is going to be raped, and given the chance to take the gun away from her before the rape, you would take the gun away from her.

This is how psychotic you are....but also cowardly.

You believe these are the best outcomes....these are the outcomes you want....you are just a coward and refuse to admit to what you want....

 

[BULLDOG]

You refuse to answer those questions....posted in several threads.

Allow me to answer for you since you refuse to answer those questions.

For you, you would choose the woman being beaten, tortured, raped and murdered instead of being able to use a gun to stop it.

Knowing the woman is going to be raped, and given the chance to take the gun away from her before the rape, you would take the gun away from her.

This is how psychotic you are....but also cowardly.

You believe these are the best outcomes....these are the outcomes you want....you are just a coward and refuse to admit to what you want....

You have a vivid imagination dumb ass. Your own links show almost half (43%) of crooks get their guns from indivudal sellers, but you oppose background checks for the same. What's wrong with you?

 

[2aguy]

You have a vivid imagination dumb ass. Your own links show almost half (43%) of crooks get their guns from indivudal sellers, but you oppose background checks for the same. What's wrong with you?

I know you have to lie about what you want. You want gun registration...that's all you want. So you lie about universal background checks. Then you have to lie about everything else to get to universal background checks.

Individual sellers are are the straw buyers they use, you idiot.

Criminals use straw buyers who pass any background check, or they steal the guns, as you were shown, over and over again.

 

[BULLDOG]

I know you have to lie about what you want. You want gun registration...that's all you want. So you lie about universal background checks. Then you have to lie about everything else to get to universal background checks.

Individual sellers are are the straw buyers they use, you idiot.

Criminals use straw buyers who pass any background check, or they steal the guns, as you were shown, over and over again.

You don't know much. You make a lot of shit up though.

 

[Vagabond63]

What does this figure mean? That 78% of all gang members are people from the Black British community?

Oops, my bad. That was taken from a "headline" article that refered to London drugs gangs in Wikipedia Gangs in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia a case of more haste, less speed.

 

[Vagabond63]

I thought guns were forbidden in dreary old England?

lets ask one of our limey lib interlopers to ‘splain it for is

Take a look at the guns you can legally buy in the UK

The UK banned handguns in 1997, but citizens are still able to own and shoot some shotguns and rifles with a license.

www.businessinsider.com

Happy to help. Yes we can own assault rifles, handguns, even Barrett .50 cal sniper rifles. Not exactly "gun free", are we?

 

[Vagabond63]

Link.......

Middle Eastern gangs and gangs from other 3rd world countries are causing your growing crime rates...

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults using data from police recorded crime and the new Telephone-operated Crime Survey for England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

Interesting to note that firearms offences involving handguns have plummeted from 5549 to 2125, and firearms crime has reduced overall by 14%. Seems there's a lot to be said for having gun control.

 

[ESay]

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults using data from police recorded crime and the new Telephone-operated Crime Survey for England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

Interesting to note that firearms offences involving handguns have plummeted from 5549 to 2125, and firearms crime has reduced overall by 14%. Seems there's a lot to be said for having gun control.

Well, this source admits that decreasing in violent crimes and theft is supposed to have happened due to lock downs caused by the Covid pandemic.

 

[2aguy]

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults using data from police recorded crime and the new Telephone-operated Crime Survey for England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

Interesting to note that firearms offences involving handguns have plummeted from 5549 to 2125, and firearms crime has reduced overall by 14%. Seems there's a lot to be said for having gun control.

Yeah.....

Funny.........they use some of the same methods that the researchers use to understand gun self defense in the U.S........and yet...you use their research in your post......

The largest decreases in recorded crime were seen during the three-month period that coincided with the first national lockdown, with a 19% decrease in April to June 2020 compared with April to June 2019.
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Although the TCSEW indicated no change in the total number of violence incidents, the total number of victims of violent crime decreased by 28% compared with the year ending March 20192. This was largely driven by falls in violence where the offender was a stranger.

 

[2aguy]

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults using data from police recorded crime and the new Telephone-operated Crime Survey for England and Wales.

www.ons.gov.uk

Interesting to note that firearms offences involving handguns have plummeted from 5549 to 2125, and firearms crime has reduced overall by 14%. Seems there's a lot to be said for having gun control.

Again.......just lockdown the entire country....forever.....and you can lower the crime rate...simply arrest anyone you see in public...

Why didn't they think of this before?

6.Offences involving firearms​

Recorded offences involving firearms decreased by 14% to 5,709 offences in the year ending March 2021 compared with the previous year (6,622 offences). This decrease can be attributed to national lockdown restrictions that occurred throughout the year. Offences involving firearms were at their lowest level since the year ending March 2016.

 

[Mac-7]

Happy to help. Yes we can own assault rifles, handguns, even Barrett .50 cal sniper rifles. Not exactly "gun free", are we?

So the shooters killing people on the streets are legal, licensed gun owners?

I dont think so

 

[BULLDOG]

So the shooters killing people on the streets are legal, licensed gun owners?

I dont think so

Killing people in the streets is not legal,but there is no reason to believe they got their gun illegally unless you check their background and find they can't legally own a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Killing people in the streets is not legal,but there is no reason to believe they got their gun illegally unless you check their background and find they can't legally own a gun.

Wow.....that is just stupid.

Hmmm...punch in their name and birthdate ......turns out the guy with a gun is a criminal...that means they couldn't buy, own or even carry the gun......that means they got the gun illegally, since they, above anyone else, know that they can't buy, own or carry a gun....

Did you get this stupid through practice or by the simple act of being born?

 

[Vagabond63]

Well, this source admits that decreasing in violent crimes and theft is supposed to have happened due to lock downs caused by the Covid pandemic.

True, the 14% "can" be attributed, but that doesn't mean it's the sole reason. The statistics show a decline in UK firearms offences since 2003, a small increase in 2018 and then a gradual decline until the pandemic struck.

 

[BULLDOG]

Wow.....that is just stupid.

Hmmm...punch in their name and birthdate ......turns out the guy with a gun is a criminal...that means they couldn't buy, own or even carry the gun......that means they got the gun illegally, since they, above anyone else, know that they can't buy, own or carry a gun....

Did you get this stupid through practice or by the simple act of being born?

So why not punch in the guy's name before the individual seller sells him a gun? This isn't complicated.

 

[Mac-7]

Killing people in the streets is not legal,but there is no reason to believe they got their gun illegally unless you check their background and find they can't legally own a gun.

I think find none of the shooters are legal gin owners

 

[Vagabond63]

So the shooters killing people on the streets are legal, licensed gun owners?

I dont think so

Every mass shooting since Hungerford has been carried out by legal licensed gun owners. The fact that there have only been four such tragedies in 34 years is a testiment to the fact that gun control works, given we have over 600,000 registered gun owners in the UK.

 

[2aguy]

True, the 14% "can" be attributed, but that doesn't mean it's the sole reason. The statistics show a decline in UK firearms offences since 2003, a small increase in 2018 and then a gradual decline until the pandemic struck.

Yes....everyone is locked down.....while the British police state they can't stop the increasing flood of illegal guns into the country...

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.

Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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[2aguy]

Every mass shooting since Hungerford has been carried out by legal licensed gun owners. The fact that there have only been four such tragedies in 34 years is a testiment to the fact that gun control works, given we have over 600,000 registered gun owners in the UK.

And you lie........by omitting the fact that mass public shootings in Britain were rare when guns were commonly owned.....that banning them hasn't changed the number of mass public shootings........gun ownership does not create mass public shooters....since you guys had guns, but didn't have mass public shootings.....

Gun control does not stop someone who wants to commit a mass public shooting....you have illegal guns flooding the country and you also have legal gun owners.....

Neither group, actual criminals or gun owners, of the few types of bird guns you allow, have been prone to committing mass murder and suicide....but the number has been consistent before and after gun control..

So guns aren't the issue...

And this can be seen in the U.S. where as more and more people own and carry guns over 27 years...our gun murder rate went down, not up....49%....you can't explain that according to your theories....

Our gun crime rate went down 75%.......75% decrease as more people, not less, own and carried guns for 27 years...

You can't explain how that works according to your theories....

For a theory to work, it has to actually show that A caused B......

More guns = less gun crime....the exact opposite of what you say will happen...

 

[2aguy]

So why not punch in the guy's name before the individual seller sells him a gun? This isn't complicated.

Because the ones doing the selling are straw buyers, who are breaking the law in the first place, and the criminals who steal guns have also broken the law....

They don't care about your background checks...