Early 1970’s Democratic Party Bullshit That Kids Like Me Got Force Fed in School

[Bush92]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

 

[Third Party]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

It was the theme song for "Billy Jack"

 

[impuretrash]

The only thing worse than that shitty song is the self righteous comment section...

 

[my2¢]

Hadn't heard that one in ages. A trip down memory lane, thanks for posting.

 

[SavannahMann]

I served in the Army. Desert Storm as well. And it was a lot of things. Not just a few songs or whatever.

Korea. It wasn’t Vietnam that caused the problems, it was Korea. Korea was a war. Nobody understood. Why we were there was never explained well enough. What threat to us did it represent. To make it worse, the predictions and promises of the leadership was never right.

First, the collected wisdom of the various Intelligence Agencies. Military, CIA, State Department, everyone. All of them said Nothing would happen in Korea. Then the arrogant Leaders sent Task Force Smith in. That group was wiped out.

As stories came back of Bugle Charges and Chinese Human Wave attacks, we couldn’t figure out how the hell so many people were wrong so often. Korea will never be a problem. The war starts. The Chinese will never come in. The Chinese swarm the area like Cockroaches in a New York Tenement.

Partly it was people like McArthur believing their own press clippings. Partly it was ignorance of the Enemy. Partly it was just wishful thinking. Partly it was a standard of proof that was unreachable. For example. When the First Chinese started to get captured by the ROK and US Forces, they were explained away as just stray units that had wondered across the Yalu river.

The way the war ended was also uncomfortable for people who had expected a victory like World War II. Worse, it was five years since the end of the last war, and the Military was woefully undermanned, under trained, and inexperienced.

Then we find ourselves in Vietnam. Almost immediately we see ourselves deploying advisors, and after watching the French Foreign Legion defeated, one of the best military units in the world, we decide arrogantly that we can smash Vietnam like an egg.

A decade after Korea, we are still arrogant despite the knowledge of how many we lost in Korea, the costs of that draw were unbearably high.

Vietnam was the straw. Lies and obfuscation ruled the days. The Politicians modified the language to try and fool the people. From Search and Destroy to Seek and Subdue. The problem wasn’t the terms used, the problem was that we kept hearing about how our boys were over there fighting for hills that they immediately gave back to the enemy. Our men were dying to take terrain that was surrendered as soon as they won, if they won.

As time goes by and the lies are exposed, support for the war that was problematic in it’s beginning, and managed in what appeared to be the dumbest way possible, was reduced.

Vietnam wasn’t lost because of the Liberals, or the Communists, nor even the people singing songs against the war. It was lost because we never had any clue how to win. If we had that clue, we were not doing it. It wasn’t a situation where killing all the enemies would somehow win the day.

Look, there have been a thousand books written on Vietnam and why we lost. The lessons we didn’t learn, or were applied wrong. There were a lot of them. We lost for the same reason we are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. The people didn’t want us there. Not all of them, but more than enough. The Draft insured the military had the troops, but they were unwilling troops. Troops who wanted to get laid, not go to Vietnam and die without even seeing who was shooting.

We didn’t have the moral, we didn’t have the plan, and we didn’t even have a clue. We had our arrogance handed to us with a large plate of crow. We learned. Jimmy Carter instituted drug testing, and that started to weed out the problems. The draft was suspended. That meant that the troops were volunteers, if less than enthusiastic.

Before that happened, things were so bad that Officers would not go into some of the barracks without sidearms. We no longer made it a join the army or go to jail option. The more we raised the standards, the better the soldiers were.

It was about ten years from the end of Vietnam, to Grenada, and other conflicts, small and short they may have been. The difference was night and day. Reagan’s military could not have existed without the changes begun under Carter. Including study of and development of the B-1 Bomber.

It wasn’t Liberals, because after their height of the 1960’s and first half of the 1070’s, the military was improving. Weapons, training, tactics, and all of that were improving. It got a big boost when Reagan took office, and sent more money for training, but the point remains. The foundation had already been laid out.

We lost Vietnam not because of the Liberals, but because of the fools who had no idea what they were doing in the first place.

 

[Lesh]

Vietnam wasn’t lost because of the Liberals, or the Communists, nor even the people singing songs against the war. It was lost because we never had any clue how to win. If we had that clue, we were not doing it. It wasn’t a situation where killing all the enemies would somehow win the day.

We lost Vietnam not because of the Liberals, but because of the fools who had no idea what they were doing in the first place.

Thank you

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

I was listening to Miles Davis and Weather Report by then. I missed this tid-bit.

 

[Bush92]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

It was the theme song for "Billy Jack"

Billy Jack was one of those Nancy Pelosi, Acasio-Cortez - Lizzie Warren (Billie Jack was supposed to be half Indian) bullshit movies from that era that promoted this crap we have today.

 

[Bush92]

I served in the Army. Desert Storm as well. And it was a lot of things. Not just a few songs or whatever.

Korea. It wasn’t Vietnam that caused the problems, it was Korea. Korea was a war. Nobody understood. Why we were there was never explained well enough. What threat to us did it represent. To make it worse, the predictions and promises of the leadership was never right.

First, the collected wisdom of the various Intelligence Agencies. Military, CIA, State Department, everyone. All of them said Nothing would happen in Korea. Then the arrogant Leaders sent Task Force Smith in. That group was wiped out.

As stories came back of Bugle Charges and Chinese Human Wave attacks, we couldn’t figure out how the hell so many people were wrong so often. Korea will never be a problem. The war starts. The Chinese will never come in. The Chinese swarm the area like Cockroaches in a New York Tenement.

Partly it was people like McArthur believing their own press clippings. Partly it was ignorance of the Enemy. Partly it was just wishful thinking. Partly it was a standard of proof that was unreachable. For example. When the First Chinese started to get captured by the ROK and US Forces, they were explained away as just stray units that had wondered across the Yalu river.

The way the war ended was also uncomfortable for people who had expected a victory like World War II. Worse, it was five years since the end of the last war, and the Military was woefully undermanned, under trained, and inexperienced.

Then we find ourselves in Vietnam. Almost immediately we see ourselves deploying advisors, and after watching the French Foreign Legion defeated, one of the best military units in the world, we decide arrogantly that we can smash Vietnam like an egg.

A decade after Korea, we are still arrogant despite the knowledge of how many we lost in Korea, the costs of that draw were unbearably high.

Vietnam was the straw. Lies and obfuscation ruled the days. The Politicians modified the language to try and fool the people. From Search and Destroy to Seek and Subdue. The problem wasn’t the terms used, the problem was that we kept hearing about how our boys were over there fighting for hills that they immediately gave back to the enemy. Our men were dying to take terrain that was surrendered as soon as they won, if they won.

As time goes by and the lies are exposed, support for the war that was problematic in it’s beginning, and managed in what appeared to be the dumbest way possible, was reduced.

Vietnam wasn’t lost because of the Liberals, or the Communists, nor even the people singing songs against the war. It was lost because we never had any clue how to win. If we had that clue, we were not doing it. It wasn’t a situation where killing all the enemies would somehow win the day.

Look, there have been a thousand books written on Vietnam and why we lost. The lessons we didn’t learn, or were applied wrong. There were a lot of them. We lost for the same reason we are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. The people didn’t want us there. Not all of them, but more than enough. The Draft insured the military had the troops, but they were unwilling troops. Troops who wanted to get laid, not go to Vietnam and die without even seeing who was shooting.

We didn’t have the moral, we didn’t have the plan, and we didn’t even have a clue. We had our arrogance handed to us with a large plate of crow. We learned. Jimmy Carter instituted drug testing, and that started to weed out the problems. The draft was suspended. That meant that the troops were volunteers, if less than enthusiastic.

Before that happened, things were so bad that Officers would not go into some of the barracks without sidearms. We no longer made it a join the army or go to jail option. The more we raised the standards, the better the soldiers were.

It was about ten years from the end of Vietnam, to Grenada, and other conflicts, small and short they may have been. The difference was night and day. Reagan’s military could not have existed without the changes begun under Carter. Including study of and development of the B-1 Bomber.

It wasn’t Liberals, because after their height of the 1960’s and first half of the 1070’s, the military was improving. Weapons, training, tactics, and all of that were improving. It got a big boost when Reagan took office, and sent more money for training, but the point remains. The foundation had already been laid out.

We lost Vietnam not because of the Liberals, but because of the fools who had no idea what they were doing in the first place.

I served as an infantryman in Desert Storm. Liberals lost Vietnam and fuck our country dry today. You are an idiot and not an intellectual. I would drag your sorry ass out on the sidewalk and smash-it you sorry little fuck. God Bless the United States of America and God Bless our President!

 

[SavannahMann]

I served in the Army. Desert Storm as well. And it was a lot of things. Not just a few songs or whatever.

Korea. It wasn’t Vietnam that caused the problems, it was Korea. Korea was a war. Nobody understood. Why we were there was never explained well enough. What threat to us did it represent. To make it worse, the predictions and promises of the leadership was never right.

First, the collected wisdom of the various Intelligence Agencies. Military, CIA, State Department, everyone. All of them said Nothing would happen in Korea. Then the arrogant Leaders sent Task Force Smith in. That group was wiped out.

As stories came back of Bugle Charges and Chinese Human Wave attacks, we couldn’t figure out how the hell so many people were wrong so often. Korea will never be a problem. The war starts. The Chinese will never come in. The Chinese swarm the area like Cockroaches in a New York Tenement.

Partly it was people like McArthur believing their own press clippings. Partly it was ignorance of the Enemy. Partly it was just wishful thinking. Partly it was a standard of proof that was unreachable. For example. When the First Chinese started to get captured by the ROK and US Forces, they were explained away as just stray units that had wondered across the Yalu river.

The way the war ended was also uncomfortable for people who had expected a victory like World War II. Worse, it was five years since the end of the last war, and the Military was woefully undermanned, under trained, and inexperienced.

Then we find ourselves in Vietnam. Almost immediately we see ourselves deploying advisors, and after watching the French Foreign Legion defeated, one of the best military units in the world, we decide arrogantly that we can smash Vietnam like an egg.

A decade after Korea, we are still arrogant despite the knowledge of how many we lost in Korea, the costs of that draw were unbearably high.

Vietnam was the straw. Lies and obfuscation ruled the days. The Politicians modified the language to try and fool the people. From Search and Destroy to Seek and Subdue. The problem wasn’t the terms used, the problem was that we kept hearing about how our boys were over there fighting for hills that they immediately gave back to the enemy. Our men were dying to take terrain that was surrendered as soon as they won, if they won.

As time goes by and the lies are exposed, support for the war that was problematic in it’s beginning, and managed in what appeared to be the dumbest way possible, was reduced.

Vietnam wasn’t lost because of the Liberals, or the Communists, nor even the people singing songs against the war. It was lost because we never had any clue how to win. If we had that clue, we were not doing it. It wasn’t a situation where killing all the enemies would somehow win the day.

Look, there have been a thousand books written on Vietnam and why we lost. The lessons we didn’t learn, or were applied wrong. There were a lot of them. We lost for the same reason we are getting our asses kicked in Afghanistan. The people didn’t want us there. Not all of them, but more than enough. The Draft insured the military had the troops, but they were unwilling troops. Troops who wanted to get laid, not go to Vietnam and die without even seeing who was shooting.

We didn’t have the moral, we didn’t have the plan, and we didn’t even have a clue. We had our arrogance handed to us with a large plate of crow. We learned. Jimmy Carter instituted drug testing, and that started to weed out the problems. The draft was suspended. That meant that the troops were volunteers, if less than enthusiastic.

Before that happened, things were so bad that Officers would not go into some of the barracks without sidearms. We no longer made it a join the army or go to jail option. The more we raised the standards, the better the soldiers were.

It was about ten years from the end of Vietnam, to Grenada, and other conflicts, small and short they may have been. The difference was night and day. Reagan’s military could not have existed without the changes begun under Carter. Including study of and development of the B-1 Bomber.

It wasn’t Liberals, because after their height of the 1960’s and first half of the 1070’s, the military was improving. Weapons, training, tactics, and all of that were improving. It got a big boost when Reagan took office, and sent more money for training, but the point remains. The foundation had already been laid out.

We lost Vietnam not because of the Liberals, but because of the fools who had no idea what they were doing in the first place.

I served as an infantryman in Desert Storm. Liberals lost Vietnam and fuck our country dry today. You are an idiot and not an intellectual. I would drag your sorry ass out on the sidewalk and smash-it you sorry little fuck. God Bless the United States of America and God Bless our President!

I was a Combat Engineer in Desert Storm. I was the guy who went into the Bunkers to make sure it was safe for the Infantry. You know those pesky Booby traps. I was in the 82nd Airborne. Which leg unit were you in?

 

[bullwinkle]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

Hey, don't blame me because you are screwed up by thinking some damn hippie babble influenced national policy and blame it on whichever party was in power when the dopeheads regurgitated crap! If you had never heard this type music you would have to blame someone else for your angst. OTOH it could be that you just don't know where to channel your dismay, or even what you are dismayed about so you place the cause in some remote government policy of another admin when it is really within yourself.

EVERYBODY had relatives in WWII BTW

 

[occupied]

The entire point of the song is that wars are very often exercises in stupidity. They have to have a clear, realistic mission to win or we will lose.

 

[Bush92]

Hadn't heard that one in ages. A trip down memory lane, thanks for posting.

Sure you like it. Nothing like losing a war and killing the unborn that wouldn’t satisfy you. But that’s how your teachers and professors indoctrinated you. Never had an original thought in your life have you? Baaaaaa....baaaa!

 

[Bush92]

The entire point of the song is that wars are very often exercises in stupidity. They have to have a clear, realistic mission to win or we will lose.

At a time when the Soviet Union staring us down with 30,000 nuclear warheads. Fuck your starry eyed ignorance and dreamy leftist bullshit. Russia and China want to destroy the United States. They are the enemy. Our enemy within is Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

 

[occupied]

The entire point of the song is that wars are very often exercises in stupidity. They have to have a clear, realistic mission to win or we will lose.

At a time when the Soviet Union staring us down with 30,000 nuclear warheads. Fuck your starry eyed ignorance and dreamy leftist bullshit. Russia and China want to destroy the United States. They are the enemy. Our enemy within is Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

All our losing wars were because no one seemed to know why we were there and what victory was supposed to look like. They continued because dumbasses like you think that if we just stick it out we will eventually find some glory somewhere. If you are fighting for glory alone you have already lost.

 

[SavannahMann]

The entire point of the song is that wars are very often exercises in stupidity. They have to have a clear, realistic mission to win or we will lose.

At a time when the Soviet Union staring us down with 30,000 nuclear warheads. Fuck your starry eyed ignorance and dreamy leftist bullshit. Russia and China want to destroy the United States. They are the enemy. Our enemy within is Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

So push the button. Go to Nuclear War. We will fire our missiles, they fire theirs. In 48 hours more the second strike missiles fly. That will teach them right? So what if 80% plus of our people are dead. Who cares if the survivors all suffer from cancer and die within a few years. Our children, those who survive, will emerge stronger and hate the Russians right? Idiot.

They have bombs. We have bombs. Everybody has the bomb. South Africa has the Bomb. What nobody has is a way to allow their society to survive. Even if you are able to intercept their missiles the resulting nuclear winter will make food production very difficult for the next decade or so. There again, you lose 60% to 80% of your population. Only you lose them to starvation and disease instead of the nuclear flash and fire.

 

[my2¢]

Hadn't heard that one in ages. A trip down memory lane, thanks for posting.

Sure you like it. Nothing like losing a war and killing the unborn that wouldn’t satisfy you. But that’s how your teachers and professors indoctrinated you. Never had an original thought in your life have you? Baaaaaa....baaaa!

Well if crying your eyes out 50 years later about a stupid song is exhibiting "original thought", you can have it.

 

[bullwinkle]

Russia and China want to destroy the United States. They are the enemy. Our enemy within is Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

What nonsense you sputter! It isn't Nancy Pelosi or the Democratic party or even John Bolton sucking up to Russia and China. Their asses are smothered in Trump et Staff kisses as we beg what we can do for them. Sanctions lifted..gotcha! Support troops in the way..we'll move them..to the oil fields. Wanna take over an independent country on your border...no problem, we'll hold up weapons funding!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I remember our hippie dope head teacher playing this song in the 2nd grade to us and wanting to explore an explanation. Answer: .”It’s a fucked-up song.” My uncles won WW2...3 were shot by Nazis, another uncle got his ass shot n Korea, and two cousins in Vietnam. I served in Cold War and in combat in Kuwait and Philippines. This is where the common disrespect of the Constitution begins...and the socialist efforts to overturn the 2016 election begins. Bunch of fucking idiotic, easily manipulated and led people. Like the Manson Family or Jim Jones. Democrats are sheeple.

You saw combat in the Philippines?

When was that and what unit were you with?

 

[Bush92]

Russia and China want to destroy the United States. They are the enemy. Our enemy within is Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party.

What nonsense you sputter! It isn't Nancy Pelosi or the Democratic party or even John Bolton sucking up to Russia and China. Their asses are smothered in Trump et Staff kisses as we beg what we can do for them. Sanctions lifted..gotcha! Support troops in the way..we'll move them..to the oil fields. Wanna take over an independent country on your border...no problem, we'll hold up weapons funding!

Trump stands against Russia and China. Why do you think the Democrats want to overturn the 2916 election? Not too bright are you?