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DGS49

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It is occasionally good to consider human history when hearing "alarming" reports about the harms of various kinds of pollution.

For example, one of the greatest anti-pollution campaigns of our lifetime is the campaign to eliminate CSO.

CSO, which stands for Combined Sewer Overflow, is a phenomenon that occurs when storm sewers are combined with "sanitary" sewers - usually because people used to run their house gutter drains into the sanitary sewer system. When there is a rainstorm, the wastewater treatment plant is overwhelmed with the flow, and in many cases the "raw sewage" routs around the WWTP and into the local river. The money is spent to build holding tanks for temporary storage of the overflow, and to reroute storm sewers around the WWTP's.

But when there is a CSO, our shit flows into the same river where people fish, waterski, and swim. Yuk.

Federal, state, and local governments are spending mountains of money, and people are being mandated to modify the drainage systems of their houses at great cost, to eliminate the problem of CSO, because these overflows are TERRIBLE.

Or so it would seem.

But for countless millennia, both humans and animals have been depositing their "waste" onto the ground, into the ground, or into a local estuary. Wastewater treatment is a relatively new innovation, historically speaking. Why haven't we all died from this omnipresent water "pollution"?

Well, Mother Nature "treats" the waste products by dilution (with rainwater), filtration (through the earth), and biological degrading (by bacteria and insects that reside in the soil and in the water). Has it occurred to you that even today, people build an outhouse on one side of their property, then sink a water well on the other side of the property, assuming those two bodies of water will never meet? And the well water is generally safe for human consumption.

One could say that a wastewater treatment plant replicates the natural processes that have taken place in the ground and in the water throughout history. It is diluting it, settling out the solids, allowing engineered bacteria to treat it, and filtering it, before dumping it into The River.

Further, people and animals have drunk river and lake water for eons, without significant treatment. Mark Twain, in his book, "Life on the Mississippi," describes the table water served in restaurants on steamboats on the Mississippi in the mid-1800's. The finicky diners would allow the sediment in the water to float down to the bottom of the glass, so that the water they drank was relatively clear, while the "tough guys" would mix it up and drink it "brown."

And presumably they didn't get sick or die. Can you imagine what was in that water? In wastewater science terms, they were consuming water loaded with (a) dissolved solids, (b) suspended solids, and (3) biologicals. Yuk.

This is not to say that disease did not spread through tainted drinking water. This was a constant problem in cities where population density did not allow Mother Nature to do her work efficiently enough for human requirements. But we have evolved to tolerate - and even thrive on - certain "impurities" in our water, and even in our food. So there is really no need to adhere to informal rules about not eating food that has fallen on the floor, and so on. And you don't need to drink bottled water - which is a colossal scam. You won't die.

And people who work in commercial nuclear power plants, and who have served in the "nuclear Navy" have a lower cancer incidence than the general population, despite much higher than average exposure to nuclear radiation. But that's a subject for a different thread.
 
As to your last comment: sailors aboard nuclear powered vessels, particulary nuclear powered submarines have LOWER doses than the general public. They're out of the sun and what they get from their plants is a small fraction of what the rest of us are getting from Mr Sol.
 
As to your last comment: sailors aboard nuclear powered vessels, particulary nuclear powered submarines have LOWER doses than the general public. They're out of the sun and what they get from their plants is a small fraction of what the rest of us are getting from Mr Sol.

I can confirm that.

When on the ship, I wore a radiation monitoring device all the time.

When I worked an engineering billet, and spent most of my time below deck and near the reactor, my dosages were lower than when I worked a topside billet and spent more time above deck.

And no, drinking sewage is not good. Certain strains of E. Coli can kill children or people with weakened immune systems, and make even healthy people very sick. Yeah, historically, people drank bad water. And historically, a lot of people died of diarrhea type illnesses.
 
It is occasionally good to consider human history when hearing "alarming" reports about the harms of various kinds of pollution.

For example, one of the greatest anti-pollution campaigns of our lifetime is the campaign to eliminate CSO.

CSO, which stands for Combined Sewer Overflow, is a phenomenon that occurs when storm sewers are combined with "sanitary" sewers - usually because people used to run their house gutter drains into the sanitary sewer system. When there is a rainstorm, the wastewater treatment plant is overwhelmed with the flow, and in many cases the "raw sewage" routs around the WWTP and into the local river. The money is spent to build holding tanks for temporary storage of the overflow, and to reroute storm sewers around the WWTP's.

But when there is a CSO, our shit flows into the same river where people fish, waterski, and swim. Yuk.

Federal, state, and local governments are spending mountains of money, and people are being mandated to modify the drainage systems of their houses at great cost, to eliminate the problem of CSO, because these overflows are TERRIBLE.

Or so it would seem.

But for countless millennia, both humans and animals have been depositing their "waste" onto the ground, into the ground, or into a local estuary. Wastewater treatment is a relatively new innovation, historically speaking. Why haven't we all died from this omnipresent water "pollution"?

I was a little bored or I wouldn't even bother with this silly drivel.

"But for countless millennia, both humans and animals have been depositing their "waste" onto the ground, into the ground, or into a local estuary. Wastewater treatment is a relatively new innovation, historically speaking. Why haven't we all died from this omnipresent water "pollution"?"

Right there you go off the rails on the crazy train. For one thing, enormous numbers of people HAVE died from water pollution.

For "countless millennia" people got away with doing a lot of horrible things because there were very few humans on the planet, relative to today. The Earth seemed too huge to possibly affect, and the "waste" humans "deposited" on or into the ground, dumped into the streams, rivers, lakes and oceans, or put into the air just seemed to vanish in the vastness.

Most published estimates of historical world population begin at "year zero" of the Common Era, when world population was in the nine digits (estimates range between 150 and 330 million).

Some estimates extend their timeline into deep prehistory, to "10,000 BC", i.e. the last glacial maximum,[1] when world population estimates range roughly between one and ten million.

Wikipedia


When there are only a few million people, or a few tens of millions, or even when there were several hundred million people (mostly concentrated in China and India) on the entire planet, the Earth's biosphere, or "Mother Nature" as you put it, could indeed naturally decompose and recycle a few droppings and some wood fire smoke without much problem. But as human civilizations and populations grew, and more humans became concentrated into cities, these natural mechanisms no longer could handle the load and many diseases caused by human fecal contamination of the water sources became very common and killed a great many people. Burning coal in large quanties after the Industrial Revolution, and burning gasoline and diesel in vast quantities today causes air pollution that has led to an enormous number of premature deaths. Smoke and particulate pollution from China affects America and other parts of the world. It doesn't just disappear into the vastness anymore.

Now we have a world population that, as of March 2017, was estimated at 7.49 billion. The United Nations estimates it will further increase to 11.2 billion in the year 2100. Pollution issues today (and in the future) are much more varied and complex and exceedingly vital to human health and survival, often involving chemicals and industrial pollution that had never existed on Earth before this last century. These pollution issues today, from all sources, have nothing to do with your silly and very ignorant historical fantasies that assume that how the Earth naturally cleaned itself when the human race only consisted of a tiny, tiny fraction of the population levels and densities we have today, and when the human race was still very primitive without massive industries across the globe, must be how things still work....and mean that we humans don't really need to clean up our own messes. That's really dumb!





Well, Mother Nature "treats" the waste products by dilution (with rainwater), filtration (through the earth), and biological degrading (by bacteria and insects that reside in the soil and in the water). Has it occurred to you that even today, people build an outhouse on one side of their property, then sink a water well on the other side of the property, assuming those two bodies of water will never meet? And the well water is generally safe for human consumption.
More ignorant drivel.

Has it occurred to you that people who "build an outhouse", only dig the hole about four to eight feet deep at most......but those same people who also "sink a water well" on their property (almost always over a hundred feet from the outhouse) usually dig at least fifty or sixty feet or drill hundreds of feet down to reach the water table? Which is why, in the real world, well water is indeed "generally safe for human consumption".

Your whole screed is kind of silly, pointless and very ignorant.
 
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