Erasing Obama

[westwall]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books

Indeed. Obama's place in the history books will be interstitial at best.

Or not....Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president


Must burn some people's butts given how much they hate him.

Those historians haven't figured out how terribly obama abused the COTUS and just how far down the road to a third world dictatorship he was leading us. The more that the DOJ shenanigans against trump are exposed the worse obummer is looking.

 

[westwall]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

And as the blue wave rolls in, everything Trump does can be reversed or erased just as easily. Even more easily actually, as his Democrat successor won't be saddled with Trump's immeasurable incompetence.

meh.........Soetero had 8 years to do something about climate change and didn't do dick. Renewable energy was a joke in 2008 and its still a joke. Oh ps.....noted your sig........do you have the political IQ of a handball? Alabama will be red again in about 11 months!. And if the economy is roaring like it is now.............well............good luck s0n!!

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

 

[westwall]

The polls have the treasonous fat senile old orange clown's rating at all over 50% disapproval, some as high as 67% disapproval. Far from erasing President Obama's record, the clown's enormous incompetence has made us appreciate what an excellent President Obama truly was.

No, far from having President Obama's renewable energy record erased, the utilities of this nation are proving that he was correct in backing the development of them.

US Renewable Energy Eclipses Fossil Fuels For Second Year Running, Says BNEF

More gigawatts of renewable energy were installed worldwide in 2016 than in any previous year, according to a new report.

The Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2017 report shows the costs of solar and wind energy continue to fall dramatically. But it also documents a slowdown in investment in several major countries.

A total of 138.5 gigawatts of wind, solar, biomass and other renewable sources were installed worldwide last year, the report says, up 8 percent from 2015.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation. That's the highest proportion ever, and the second year in a row in which renewables made up the majority of new installations.

Investment in renewables fell by 23 percent, however. That's partly because of good news.

"A lot of that is due to lower costs," lead author Angus McCrone, chief editor of Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told VOA. Onshore wind power, offshore wind and solar are by far the dominant technologies, and "all of them fell in price by at least 10 percent. That's a big part of the reason why you had capacity up and investment down."

Coal is effectively dead in the US, and will begin to be replaced by renewables worldwide. The nation manufacturing those renewables will do well.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation.

Only 55%? What's the percentage of total energy generation?

Why are you so against clean power and moving towards that?

We aren't. What we are against is stealing money from the poor and the middle class to give to rich white guys for their pet projects that ultimately don't work. If green energy was as great as it was claimed to be, it would ALREADY be the primary power source. The German experience has shown that wind and solar are not the panacea that the progressives would have us believe.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

A noble cause.

BREAKING: Trump to remove ‘climate change’ as a national security threat

All of Obama's left-wing "accomplishments" gone in a year!

GOD bless you Mr. President!

 

[leftwinger]

If it is foolish, un-workable, no payback......yes get rid of it. Nobody owes Obama and his criminals anything? Why? Because he was a 1/2 black? Suburb whitey? Never worked one day? Not a clue?

Paris Climate scam- TPP get out. If its brown flush it down. Chain migration? Lottery? Are you serious? Get the funk outa my face.


On a Cold night you don't keep babies warm with solar. I dont care if you got two complete bedrooms full of series batteries. Get off me.

All of the above. When it works w/o a 25 year break-even get back to me. I get angry seeing Tesla charging from power plant!

 

[Coyote]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

And as the blue wave rolls in, everything Trump does can be reversed or erased just as easily. Even more easily actually, as his Democrat successor won't be saddled with Trump's immeasurable incompetence.

meh.........Soetero had 8 years to do something about climate change and didn't do dick. Renewable energy was a joke in 2008 and its still a joke. Oh ps.....noted your sig........do you have the political IQ of a handball? Alabama will be red again in about 11 months!. And if the economy is roaring like it is now.............well............good luck s0n!!

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

 

[Coyote]

The polls have the treasonous fat senile old orange clown's rating at all over 50% disapproval, some as high as 67% disapproval. Far from erasing President Obama's record, the clown's enormous incompetence has made us appreciate what an excellent President Obama truly was.

No, far from having President Obama's renewable energy record erased, the utilities of this nation are proving that he was correct in backing the development of them.

US Renewable Energy Eclipses Fossil Fuels For Second Year Running, Says BNEF

More gigawatts of renewable energy were installed worldwide in 2016 than in any previous year, according to a new report.

The Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2017 report shows the costs of solar and wind energy continue to fall dramatically. But it also documents a slowdown in investment in several major countries.

A total of 138.5 gigawatts of wind, solar, biomass and other renewable sources were installed worldwide last year, the report says, up 8 percent from 2015.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation. That's the highest proportion ever, and the second year in a row in which renewables made up the majority of new installations.

Investment in renewables fell by 23 percent, however. That's partly because of good news.

"A lot of that is due to lower costs," lead author Angus McCrone, chief editor of Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told VOA. Onshore wind power, offshore wind and solar are by far the dominant technologies, and "all of them fell in price by at least 10 percent. That's a big part of the reason why you had capacity up and investment down."

Coal is effectively dead in the US, and will begin to be replaced by renewables worldwide. The nation manufacturing those renewables will do well.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation.

Only 55%? What's the percentage of total energy generation?

Why are you so against clean power and moving towards that?

We aren't. What we are against is stealing money from the poor and the middle class to give to rich white guys for their pet projects that ultimately don't work. If green energy was as great as it was claimed to be, it would ALREADY be the primary power source. The German experience has shown that wind and solar are not the panacea that the progressives would have us believe.

Green energy is actually doing fairly well.

What people ARE NOT realizing is it isn't supposed to be a REPLACEMENT but a supplement to traditional sources. Conservatives keep making the false argument that it is supposed to be a "panacea" - it isn't. But it's a very important sector and a very important supplement that is actually growing with many fossil fuel and other industries investing in it.

So why the all out battle AGAINST it? It's kind of like the battle waged in the early days of the automobile - horse vs engine.

 

[westwall]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

And as the blue wave rolls in, everything Trump does can be reversed or erased just as easily. Even more easily actually, as his Democrat successor won't be saddled with Trump's immeasurable incompetence.

meh.........Soetero had 8 years to do something about climate change and didn't do dick. Renewable energy was a joke in 2008 and its still a joke. Oh ps.....noted your sig........do you have the political IQ of a handball? Alabama will be red again in about 11 months!. And if the economy is roaring like it is now.............well............good luck s0n!!

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

The Clean Water Act that you reference was nothing more than a way for the epa to steal private property by declaring man made ponds as wetlands and then suing the farmers for violations of the CWA. Further the epa was fining companies millions of dollars for not using a biofuel that doesn't even exist. That is the sort of abuse that your incredibly biased sources forget to mention when they rail against what trump is doing.

A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn’t Exist
Companies Face Fines for Not Using Unavailable Biofuel

 

[skye]

MAGA!

 

[mudwhistle]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

Yep....Obama holds the record as the most corrupt president in U.S. history.

 

[Coyote]

And as the blue wave rolls in, everything Trump does can be reversed or erased just as easily. Even more easily actually, as his Democrat successor won't be saddled with Trump's immeasurable incompetence.

meh.........Soetero had 8 years to do something about climate change and didn't do dick. Renewable energy was a joke in 2008 and its still a joke. Oh ps.....noted your sig........do you have the political IQ of a handball? Alabama will be red again in about 11 months!. And if the economy is roaring like it is now.............well............good luck s0n!!

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

The Clean Water Act that you reference was nothing more than a way for the epa to steal private property by declaring man made ponds as wetlands and then suing the farmers for violations of the CWA. Further the epa was fining companies millions of dollars for not using a biofuel that doesn't even exist. That is the sort of abuse that your incredibly biased sources forget to mention when they rail against what trump is doing.

A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn’t Exist
Companies Face Fines for Not Using Unavailable Biofuel

I don't think any of that was in what I referenced....in fact I know biofuel wasn't.

 

[Vastator]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books

Indeed. Obama's place in the history books will be interstitial at best.

Or not....Survey: Historians rank Obama 12th best president


Must burn some people's butts given how much they hate him.

Think fast! Who took twelfth place in the last Olympics?!

 

[Coyote]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

Yep....Obama holds the record as the most corrupt president in U.S. history.

Well...no. Not by a long shot. You guys have tried so hard to find something to pin on him

 

[westwall]

The polls have the treasonous fat senile old orange clown's rating at all over 50% disapproval, some as high as 67% disapproval. Far from erasing President Obama's record, the clown's enormous incompetence has made us appreciate what an excellent President Obama truly was.

No, far from having President Obama's renewable energy record erased, the utilities of this nation are proving that he was correct in backing the development of them.

US Renewable Energy Eclipses Fossil Fuels For Second Year Running, Says BNEF

More gigawatts of renewable energy were installed worldwide in 2016 than in any previous year, according to a new report.

The Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2017 report shows the costs of solar and wind energy continue to fall dramatically. But it also documents a slowdown in investment in several major countries.

A total of 138.5 gigawatts of wind, solar, biomass and other renewable sources were installed worldwide last year, the report says, up 8 percent from 2015.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation. That's the highest proportion ever, and the second year in a row in which renewables made up the majority of new installations.

Investment in renewables fell by 23 percent, however. That's partly because of good news.

"A lot of that is due to lower costs," lead author Angus McCrone, chief editor of Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told VOA. Onshore wind power, offshore wind and solar are by far the dominant technologies, and "all of them fell in price by at least 10 percent. That's a big part of the reason why you had capacity up and investment down."

Coal is effectively dead in the US, and will begin to be replaced by renewables worldwide. The nation manufacturing those renewables will do well.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation.

Only 55%? What's the percentage of total energy generation?

Why are you so against clean power and moving towards that?

We aren't. What we are against is stealing money from the poor and the middle class to give to rich white guys for their pet projects that ultimately don't work. If green energy was as great as it was claimed to be, it would ALREADY be the primary power source. The German experience has shown that wind and solar are not the panacea that the progressives would have us believe.

Green energy is actually doing fairly well.

What people ARE NOT realizing is it isn't supposed to be a REPLACEMENT but a supplement to traditional sources. Conservatives keep making the false argument that it is supposed to be a "panacea" - it isn't. But it's a very important sector and a very important supplement that is actually growing with many fossil fuel and other industries investing in it.

So why the all out battle AGAINST it? It's kind of like the battle waged in the early days of the automobile - horse vs engine.

The problem with that is the fossil fuel plants are STILL operating. They can't be shut down because if they are shut down, and the wind stops, or the Sun doesn't shine, people die. So the reality is there is NO reduction in any pollutants. It is a mirage. A mirage that relies on the fact that most people don't know how the systems operate. I have a solar system. I have had it for almost three decades now. It has NEVER replaced the power we use from the Grid. Ever. If we were forced to rely on it we would have frozen to death years ago. What it is good for is reducing the overall amount we pay for our energy. And, for that payment, we are forcing poor and middle class people to pay more for their energy. That is the reality of the green energy systems.

Sometime if you would like I will be happy to run you through the real numbers and how solar is useless on a grand scale. It is fine for those who live off the Grid and don't need electricity 24/7. It would also be a good way to power desalination plants in desert areas so that they can have fresh water. It is incredible expensive, but if your choice is dying of thirst or paying 10 times as much for water i'll pay the extra.

Wind is worse than useless as it kills rare raptors and bats. It also has never even come close to providing the power they claim. Reno installed 4 windmills about 10 years ago. Not one of them would ever pay for itself over its life expectancy. In fact one of them was calculated to take 104 years to pay for itself! That is a joke, and it is rich peole soaking the poor and the middle class for a scam.

That is the reality Coyote.

 

[westwall]

meh.........Soetero had 8 years to do something about climate change and didn't do dick. Renewable energy was a joke in 2008 and its still a joke. Oh ps.....noted your sig........do you have the political IQ of a handball? Alabama will be red again in about 11 months!. And if the economy is roaring like it is now.............well............good luck s0n!!

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

The Clean Water Act that you reference was nothing more than a way for the epa to steal private property by declaring man made ponds as wetlands and then suing the farmers for violations of the CWA. Further the epa was fining companies millions of dollars for not using a biofuel that doesn't even exist. That is the sort of abuse that your incredibly biased sources forget to mention when they rail against what trump is doing.

A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn’t Exist
Companies Face Fines for Not Using Unavailable Biofuel

I don't think any of that was in what I referenced....in fact I know biofuel wasn't.

That's because they won't report the entire effect of the laws. That is the point I was making. They only give you the surface reports, but ignore the actual, real effect that the laws will have.

 

[Coyote]

The polls have the treasonous fat senile old orange clown's rating at all over 50% disapproval, some as high as 67% disapproval. Far from erasing President Obama's record, the clown's enormous incompetence has made us appreciate what an excellent President Obama truly was.

No, far from having President Obama's renewable energy record erased, the utilities of this nation are proving that he was correct in backing the development of them.

US Renewable Energy Eclipses Fossil Fuels For Second Year Running, Says BNEF

More gigawatts of renewable energy were installed worldwide in 2016 than in any previous year, according to a new report.

The Global Trends in Renewable Energy Investment 2017 report shows the costs of solar and wind energy continue to fall dramatically. But it also documents a slowdown in investment in several major countries.

A total of 138.5 gigawatts of wind, solar, biomass and other renewable sources were installed worldwide last year, the report says, up 8 percent from 2015.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation. That's the highest proportion ever, and the second year in a row in which renewables made up the majority of new installations.

Investment in renewables fell by 23 percent, however. That's partly because of good news.

"A lot of that is due to lower costs," lead author Angus McCrone, chief editor of Bloomberg New Energy Finance, told VOA. Onshore wind power, offshore wind and solar are by far the dominant technologies, and "all of them fell in price by at least 10 percent. That's a big part of the reason why you had capacity up and investment down."

Coal is effectively dead in the US, and will begin to be replaced by renewables worldwide. The nation manufacturing those renewables will do well.

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation.

Only 55%? What's the percentage of total energy generation?

Why are you so against clean power and moving towards that?

We aren't. What we are against is stealing money from the poor and the middle class to give to rich white guys for their pet projects that ultimately don't work. If green energy was as great as it was claimed to be, it would ALREADY be the primary power source. The German experience has shown that wind and solar are not the panacea that the progressives would have us believe.

Green energy is actually doing fairly well.

What people ARE NOT realizing is it isn't supposed to be a REPLACEMENT but a supplement to traditional sources. Conservatives keep making the false argument that it is supposed to be a "panacea" - it isn't. But it's a very important sector and a very important supplement that is actually growing with many fossil fuel and other industries investing in it.

So why the all out battle AGAINST it? It's kind of like the battle waged in the early days of the automobile - horse vs engine.

The problem with that is the fossil fuel plants are STILL operating. They can't be shut down because if they are shut down, and the wind stops, or the Sun doesn't shine, people die. So the reality is there is NO reduction in any pollutants. It is a mirage. A mirage that relies on the fact that most people don't know how the systems operate. I have a solar system. I have had it for almost three decades now. It has NEVER replaced the power we use from the Grid. Ever. If we were forced to rely on it we would have frozen to death years ago. What it is good for is reducing the overall amount we pay for our energy. And, for that payment, we are forcing poor and middle class people to pay more for their energy. That is the reality of the green energy systems.

Sometime if you would like I will be happy to run you through the real numbers and how solar is useless on a grand scale. It is fine for those who live off the Grid and don't need electricity 24/7. It would also be a good way to power desalination plants in desert areas so that they can have fresh water. It is incredible expensive, but if your choice is dying of thirst or paying 10 times as much for water i'll pay the extra.

Wind is worse than useless as it kills rare raptors and bats. It also has never even come close to providing the power they claim. Reno installed 4 windmills about 10 years ago. Not one of them would ever pay for itself over its life expectancy. In fact one of them was calculated to take 104 years to pay for itself! That is a joke, and it is rich peole soaking the poor and the middle class for a scam.

That is the reality Coyote.

But you're missing my point - I'm not talking total replacement, but if we can offset a considerable bit of fossil fuel usage by using alternative forms - then that is a good thing. We need to develop, set up infrastructure for, and implement ALL energy sources: solar, wind, water, fossil fuel, geothermic, nuclear - no one source will work in all places or be best in all places. But if we don't invest in the development now then when there is a crisis, we will be forced to do it much more expensively.

The mistake is when people think there is only ONE way.

 

[Coyote]

You guys keep forgetting (in this age of Trump) - the President is not an Emporer. There are and should be limits on what he can do without Congressional involvement. And guess where all attempts to address climate changed stalled....

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

The Clean Water Act that you reference was nothing more than a way for the epa to steal private property by declaring man made ponds as wetlands and then suing the farmers for violations of the CWA. Further the epa was fining companies millions of dollars for not using a biofuel that doesn't even exist. That is the sort of abuse that your incredibly biased sources forget to mention when they rail against what trump is doing.

A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn’t Exist
Companies Face Fines for Not Using Unavailable Biofuel

I don't think any of that was in what I referenced....in fact I know biofuel wasn't.

That's because they won't report the entire effect of the laws. That is the point I was making. They only give you the surface reports, but ignore the actual, real effect that the laws will have.

Like which ones? Are you going to tell me all those laws were bad?

 

[westwall]

Clean power accounted for 55 percent of all new energy generation.

Only 55%? What's the percentage of total energy generation?

Why are you so against clean power and moving towards that?

We aren't. What we are against is stealing money from the poor and the middle class to give to rich white guys for their pet projects that ultimately don't work. If green energy was as great as it was claimed to be, it would ALREADY be the primary power source. The German experience has shown that wind and solar are not the panacea that the progressives would have us believe.

Green energy is actually doing fairly well.

What people ARE NOT realizing is it isn't supposed to be a REPLACEMENT but a supplement to traditional sources. Conservatives keep making the false argument that it is supposed to be a "panacea" - it isn't. But it's a very important sector and a very important supplement that is actually growing with many fossil fuel and other industries investing in it.

So why the all out battle AGAINST it? It's kind of like the battle waged in the early days of the automobile - horse vs engine.

The problem with that is the fossil fuel plants are STILL operating. They can't be shut down because if they are shut down, and the wind stops, or the Sun doesn't shine, people die. So the reality is there is NO reduction in any pollutants. It is a mirage. A mirage that relies on the fact that most people don't know how the systems operate. I have a solar system. I have had it for almost three decades now. It has NEVER replaced the power we use from the Grid. Ever. If we were forced to rely on it we would have frozen to death years ago. What it is good for is reducing the overall amount we pay for our energy. And, for that payment, we are forcing poor and middle class people to pay more for their energy. That is the reality of the green energy systems.

Sometime if you would like I will be happy to run you through the real numbers and how solar is useless on a grand scale. It is fine for those who live off the Grid and don't need electricity 24/7. It would also be a good way to power desalination plants in desert areas so that they can have fresh water. It is incredible expensive, but if your choice is dying of thirst or paying 10 times as much for water i'll pay the extra.

Wind is worse than useless as it kills rare raptors and bats. It also has never even come close to providing the power they claim. Reno installed 4 windmills about 10 years ago. Not one of them would ever pay for itself over its life expectancy. In fact one of them was calculated to take 104 years to pay for itself! That is a joke, and it is rich peole soaking the poor and the middle class for a scam.

That is the reality Coyote.

But you're missing my point - I'm not talking total replacement, but if we can offset a considerable bit of fossil fuel usage by using alternative forms - then that is a good thing. We need to develop, set up infrastructure for, and implement ALL energy sources: solar, wind, water, fossil fuel, geothermic, nuclear - no one source will work in all places or be best in all places. But if we don't invest in the development now then when there is a crisis, we will be forced to do it much more expensively.

The mistake is when people think there is only ONE way.

And you are missing my point. Solar and wind can't support the Grid, thus the fossil fuel powered energy plants are still fully operating. There is no net reduction in any pollutants, and in fact, because the manufacturing process for windmills is very heavy on the production of CO2 they are in fact responsible for an INCREASE in CO2. Solar, on the other hand, is manufactured with incredibly toxic materials that cause more environmental damage than the fossil fuels they are supposed to replace.

Please remember my company cleaned toxic messes up all over the world. That's what I did for over 40 years. First with Dames & Moore the preeminent environmental geology firm of its day, and then later my own company. Why do you think all of the solar module production is going on in the Third World? Because they don't have the onerous environmental protection laws that the First World has. All the environmentalists are doing is pushing the poison from us to the ever present "brown people".

It is despicable.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ultimately...he's not erasing Obama. It won't alter his place in the history books, however that comes out. It also doesn't erase the facts.

But it does make it look like a petulant two year old in control of the candy store acting out against his predessor.

Yep....Obama holds the record as the most corrupt president in U.S. history.

Well...no. Not by a long shot. You guys have tried so hard to find something to pin on him

Well, he spied on the incoming president by using perjured evidence to get a search warrant.
He gave billions to our enemies after the election
His health care program is imploding and will cause a health care crisis by the first of next year
If half of the shit I know he's guilty of becomes public.....he's going to prison for a long time.

 

[westwall]

Indeed. And trump is erasing the illegal actions that obama actually DID. I find it ironic that for all of the progressive left whining about how trump is going to be a dictator, it is trump that is restoring the Republic after the abuses of the obama admin.

Really?

Tell me what was illegal about these regulations being repealed:

• Coal mining companies will no longer be bligated to protect the nation's streams from debris when extracting coal from mountain tops.
• Electronic cigarette makers won't have to meet the same labeling and approval processes as other tobacco providers
• Coal companies will no longer have to have sufficient funds set aside to reclaim the land (as background history - they were notorious for reorganizing and avoiding reclamation costs prior to this).
• Brokers who manage retirement accounts will no longer be required to act in their consumer's best interest rather than their own.
• Postponing (maybe repealed now) implementation of a rule that would minimize exposure of 2.3 million American workers' exposure to silica dust (a known contributor to lung cancer among other lung diseases).
• Repealing plans to streamline patient medical information into a one-page form which would make it easier for consumers to understand how to use their prescription drugs safely (as opposed to 10 pages of tiny print).
• Revoked SJ Res 34 - internet privacy rule: Trump signs internet privacy repeal "The FCC regulations would have required broadband companies to get permission from their customers in order to use their “sensitive” data — including browsing history, geolocation and financial and medical information — to create targeted advertisements."
• Ending a rule that allowed consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies.
• Blocked implementation of a rule that would have made it easier for farmers to sue big agricultural companies.
• Canceled a phaseout of the use of private prisons.
• Reversed a ban on civil forfeiture. Law enforcement officials are now once again able to seize assets from suspects who haven’t been convicted of any crime.
• Suspended a rule limiting methane leaks from drilling on federal land. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
• Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
• Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
• Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
• Repealed 72 documents defining the rights of students with disabilities. The administration argues that this won’t affect how those students are educated.
• Canceled a partnership with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau aimed at policing student loan fraud.
• Revoked an Obama rule barring those who’d served as registered lobbyists the prior year from taking jobs with the administration.
• Scrapped an Obama-era rule requiring that airlines disclose baggage fees.

Source (amongst many): Analysis | What Trump has undone

The Clean Water Act that you reference was nothing more than a way for the epa to steal private property by declaring man made ponds as wetlands and then suing the farmers for violations of the CWA. Further the epa was fining companies millions of dollars for not using a biofuel that doesn't even exist. That is the sort of abuse that your incredibly biased sources forget to mention when they rail against what trump is doing.

A Fine for Not Using a Biofuel That Doesn’t Exist
Companies Face Fines for Not Using Unavailable Biofuel

I don't think any of that was in what I referenced....in fact I know biofuel wasn't.

That's because they won't report the entire effect of the laws. That is the point I was making. They only give you the surface reports, but ignore the actual, real effect that the laws will have.

Like which ones? Are you going to tell me all those laws were bad?

Most ot eh laws and regulations that came from the epa under the obama admin had very bad consequences for the poor and the middle class. The policy's they wanted to enact, and were enacting were raising the cost of EVERYTHING. The rich don't care, as don't the poor who get the government to take care of them, but the middle class was being screwed by those regs. Energy prices UP. Food prices UP. Fuel prices UP. Entertainment prices UP. Everything was going up at their expense.