Explosions in Kiev?

[Vox]

this calls for a salomonic judgment. ukraine will be split. the western part associates with the EU, the eastern part merges with putinistan. give the population 4 weeks to relocate if desired, a la punjab. should go down swimmingly.

in your dreams, dumbo. Ukraine will not be split.

 

[Vox]

The Russians should have signed one and that would give them reason. Russians do not want to provoke a showdown over that.

you really need to stop being so alarmists and silly

A senior aid to Putin has already stated that he might be forced to send in troops to deal with the situation.

Putin aide warns U.S. on Ukraine, says Russia could act

Thought you were saying Putin would use US/Ukraine treaty as an excuse. People here often say crazy things

he might. his main excuse is "western interference" in what he perceives as "his" canonical territory.

 

[Victory67]

A senior aid to Putin has already stated that he might be forced to send in troops to deal with the situation.

Putin aide warns U.S. on Ukraine, says Russia could act

Thought you were saying Putin would use US/Ukraine treaty as an excuse. People here often say crazy things

he might. his main excuse is "western interference" in what he perceives as "his" canonical territory.

Russian military invasion of Ukraine would cross a line that NATO might not tolerate.

 

[L.K.Eder]

this calls for a salomonic judgment. ukraine will be split. the western part associates with the EU, the eastern part merges with putinistan. give the population 4 weeks to relocate if desired, a la punjab. should go down swimmingly.

in your dreams, dumbo. Ukraine will not be split.

newsflash: ukraine is already split, and has been for years.

 

[Vox]

Thought you were saying Putin would use US/Ukraine treaty as an excuse. People here often say crazy things

he might. his main excuse is "western interference" in what he perceives as "his" canonical territory.

Russian military invasion of Ukraine would cross a line that NATO might not tolerate.

maybe. It sure as hell will be the beginning of the major war in the region.

Ukraine is NOT Belarus.

People would not go back to slavery without resistance. If needed - a bloody one.

 

[Vox]

this calls for a salomonic judgment. ukraine will be split. the western part associates with the EU, the eastern part merges with putinistan. give the population 4 weeks to relocate if desired, a la punjab. should go down swimmingly.

in your dreams, dumbo. Ukraine will not be split.

newsflash: Ukraine is already split, and has been for years.

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

 

[L.K.Eder]

in your dreams, dumbo. Ukraine will not be split.

newsflash: Ukraine is already split, and has been for years.

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The danger is that apparently the USA and Ukraine both signed a treaty in the 1990s that they would maintain the security and integrity of Ukraine. Putin could use this to justify sending in troops to end the rebellion.

The Russians should have signed one and that would give them reason. Russians do not want to provoke a showdown over that.

you really need to stop being so alarmists and silly

A senior aid to Putin has already stated that he might be forced to send in troops to deal with the situation.

Putin aide warns U.S. on Ukraine, says Russia could act

Thought you were saying Putin would use US/Ukraine treaty as an excuse. People here often say crazy things

"Sergei Glazyev, an adviser to President Vladimir Putin with responsibility for relations with Ukraine, told a newspaper that U.S. "interference" breached the 1994 treaty under which Washington and Moscow jointly guaranteed Ukraine's security and sovereignty after Kiev gave up its Soviet-era nuclear arsenal."

You wrote "The danger is that apparently the USA and Ukraine both signed a treaty in the 1990s that they would maintain the security and integrity of Ukraine. Putin could use this to justify sending in troops to end the rebellion." which is different than "the 1994 treaty under which Washington and Moscow jointly guaranteed Ukraine's security and sovereignty after Kiev gave up its Soviet-era nuclear arsenal."

Now: Asked by Kommersant-Ukraine daily whether Russia might "actively intervene" if the country's crisis deepened, Glazyev recalled the Budapest Memorandum of 1994: "Under the document, Russia and the USA are guarantors of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine and ... are obliged to intervene when conflict situations of this nature arise.

Putin aide warns US on Ukraine, says Russia could act | Reuters

 

[Vox]

newsflash: Ukraine is already split, and has been for years.

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

oh, so you don't know shit but refer to the ignorance of the media which supposedly has to know the current moment not what happened 4 years ago
then shut the fuck up, dumbo, and stop spewing idiocy.
you might look less retarded.

 

[L.K.Eder]

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

oh, so you don't know shit but refer to the ignorance of the media which supposedly has to know the current moment not what happened 4 years ago
then shut the fuck up, dumbo, and stop spewing idiocy.
you might look less retarded.

thanks for acknowledging what is obvious. the split. in your "hey, 20% on the maidan speak russian". hahaha.

 

[Toro]

newsflash: Ukraine is already split, and has been for years.

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

My wife has relatives in the Ukraine. We brought one over to Canada. She wasn't wearing any shoes when she got on the plane.

hahahahaha

Anyways, you are absolutely correct. The Ukraine is basically split between Ukrainians in the west and Russians in the east.

 

[L.K.Eder]

and you know this how? you speak fluent Russian? Ukrainian? have been there ever? read the major Russian speaking and Ukrainian speaking internet sites ( from all spectrum)?

or just listen to the ignorant repetitive mantras of some ignorant pro-Russian journalists?

Do you know that there, on the Maidan ( if you even know what it is) 20% of the people are from Russian speaking East and South?
Of course, you do not.

Ukraine will not be split. Period.
As it is not.

This regime united it as never before.

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

My wife has relatives in the Ukraine. We brought one over to Canada. She wasn't wearing any shoes when she got on the plane.

hahahahaha

Anyways, you are absolutely correct. The Ukraine is basically split between Ukrainians in the west and Russians in the east.

it is an obvious fact. see language split.

 

[Toro]

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

My wife has relatives in the Ukraine. We brought one over to Canada. She wasn't wearing any shoes when she got on the plane.

hahahahaha

Anyways, you are absolutely correct. The Ukraine is basically split between Ukrainians in the west and Russians in the east.

it is an obvious fact. see language split.

Part of it was how borders were drawn. Part of it was that Moscow wanted to colonize it's empire.

 

[whitehall]

Ukraine has it's own president but it looks as though Putin is determined to tighten the screws. Don't look for any leadership from Secretary 'O State John Kerry. Last seen Kerry was comparing global warming to a 3-D movie and Barry Hussein was enjoying another three day weekend playing golf.

 

[Sallow]

Well, if you are a commiecon..Putin of course.

 

[freedombecki]

Ukraine has it's own president but it looks as though Putin is determined to tighten the screws. Don't look for any leadership from Secretary 'O State John Kerry. Last seen Kerry was comparing global warming to a 3-D movie and Barry Hussein was enjoying another three day weekend playing golf.

Geeze, maybe we oughta put in government leaders who are actually interested in their own cabinet's works instead of somebody else's. It seems to me the person in charge of state arrangements has plenty to do without running the EPA.

 

[hjmick]

Is the chicken safe?

 

[gipper]

How long before the stinking American interventionists demand the USA send troops?

CRAZY!

 

[Camp]

calm down, aarftaaard.

i can read election results, election maps, and remember the 2004 presidential elections. you can whine all you want, but janukowitsch has a lot of support in eastern ukraine. in the donbass, you know , where russian is the majority language, dolt.

My wife has relatives in the Ukraine. We brought one over to Canada. She wasn't wearing any shoes when she got on the plane.

hahahahaha

Anyways, you are absolutely correct. The Ukraine is basically split between Ukrainians in the west and Russians in the east.

it is an obvious fact. see language split.

Everyone in Ukraine speaks Russian. East Europeans speak their native language, Russian and more often than not workable english. It is a standard joke all over Europe that the way to truely tell if a person is American is that they only speak one language.
That said, Russians are Russians. They are immigrants to Ukraine. They may be Ukrainian citizens whose parents or grandparents settled in Ukraine, but if they side with Russia they will be considered Russian and not Ukrainian. To be Ukrainian the Ukrainians with Russian ancestry will have to stand with the ethnic Ukrainians and prove they are worthy of calling themselve Ukrainian.
They build storage sheds out of bricks in Ukraine. In the middle of the steppes, the country, the middle of nowhere, they built thier outbuildings out of stone and bricks. It told me alot about the Ukrainian people when I saw this while on a long road trip criss crossing the country.

 

[Kondor3]

Large sections of Kiev's Independence Square and other areas of Kiev are in flames...

More than 25 dead (protesters, mostly) in the past 24 hours...

Ukrainian police and army personnel going-over to the protester's side...

The Russians snarking about US involvement...

The US contemplating a further involvement, unilaterally or via NATO, in some heretofore undetermined manner and extent or another, according to video news programming this morning on CNN...

The EU contemplating sanctions against Ukraine, according to the BBC earlier today...

What the heck is happening?

And why should we care?

And how does it involve us, if at all?

And what are the risks?

And what are the possible outcomes?

Where is this going?

And should we be worried?