FBI Appears To Be Lying About Sony Hack ...But Why

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It appears that nothing that comes from this Department of Justice can be believed. It appears that the FBI lied about North Korea hacking Sony an independent source claims.


FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory
By Tal Kopan

12/29/14 7:41 PM EST

FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator another example of the continuing whodunit blame game around the devastating attack.

Even the unprecedented decision to release details of an ongoing FBI investigation and President Barack Obama publicly blaming the hermit authoritarian regime hasn’t quieted a chorus of well-qualified skeptics who say the evidence just doesn’t add up.


Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

The FBI says it is standing by its conclusions, but the security community says they’ve been open and receptive to help from the private sector throughout the Sony investigation.

Norse, one of the world’s leading cyber intelligence firms, has been researching the hack since it was made public just before Thanksgiving.

Norse’s senior vice president of market development said that just the quickness of the FBI’s conclusion that North Korea was responsible was a red flag.

“When the FBI made the announcement so soon after the initial hack was unveiled, everyone in the [cyber] intelligence community kind of raised their eyebrows at it, because it’s really hard to pin this on anyone within days of the attack,” Kurt Stammberger said in an interview as his company briefed FBI investigators Monday afternoon.

He said the briefing was set up after his company approached the agency with its findings.

Stammberger said after the meeting the FBI was “very open and grateful for our data and assistance” but didn’t share any of its data with Norse, although that was what the company expected.

The FBI said Monday it is standing behind its assessment, adding that evidence doesn’t support any other explanations.

“The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident.”

The spokeswoman had no comment on further inquiries about the briefing and whether the FBI found Norse’s case convincing.

A source who had been briefed on the FBI’s investigation said the agency had considered an insider as a possible explanation for the attack, but it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

The FBI won’t comment further on an open investigation, referring questions to the initial update on the investigation the agency released 10 days ago. That unusual release cited similarities between the malware and infrastructure behind the Sony attack and previous attacks attributed to North Korea as well as technical links to known North Korean-developed malware.

But many security researchers have found that evidence to be thin and unconvincing.

In addition to Norse’s analysis of Internet forums where perpetrators may have communicated and compiled dates within the malware used, a report from firm Taia Global said a linguistic analysis of the purported hacker messages points to Russian speakers rather than Korean.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory - Tal Kopan - POLITICO
 
The FBI tried to pin the Anthrax attack on Steven Hatfill, a Rhodesian scientist for years. It turned out to be one of his colleagues who was trying to get an increase in funds for his research. Hatfill was a sexier suspect because of his nationality.

They tried to pin the Olympic bombings on Richard Jewell, the hero security volunteer who spotted the bomb and got people away from it. We later found out it was Nazi Eric Rudolf. Jewell was a sexier suspect because he was a cop-wannabe.

So, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI was jumping to conclusions on the Sony hack. At least they can't ruin Kim Jong Un's life like they did Hatfill and Jewell.
 
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Yikes. I'd hate to see that little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here...

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I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.
 
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Yikes. I'd hate to see that little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here...

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Not like there's much we do about him.

The real problem is the worst thing that could possibly happen for the world would be for his regime to fall. Millions of North Korean refugees would stream into China and South Korea, you'd have a bunch of nukes with no one watching them.

This is why we keep propping them up with food aid.
 
I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.

I think it was the first guess of everyone.

Here's the big problem for everyone who wants to give Sony a tissue. In 2011, someone hacked their game divisions and got a lot of information on users. Sony did NOT crack down and get top of the line security systems. Now they are screwing the executives instead of the customers, and we are supposed to feel bad for them?
 
It appears that nothing that comes from this Department of Justice can be believed. It appears that the FBI lied about North Korea hacking Sony an independent source claims.


FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory
By Tal Kopan

12/29/14 7:41 PM EST

FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator another example of the continuing whodunit blame game around the devastating attack.

Even the unprecedented decision to release details of an ongoing FBI investigation and President Barack Obama publicly blaming the hermit authoritarian regime hasn’t quieted a chorus of well-qualified skeptics who say the evidence just doesn’t add up.


Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

The FBI says it is standing by its conclusions, but the security community says they’ve been open and receptive to help from the private sector throughout the Sony investigation.

Norse, one of the world’s leading cyber intelligence firms, has been researching the hack since it was made public just before Thanksgiving.

Norse’s senior vice president of market development said that just the quickness of the FBI’s conclusion that North Korea was responsible was a red flag.

“When the FBI made the announcement so soon after the initial hack was unveiled, everyone in the [cyber] intelligence community kind of raised their eyebrows at it, because it’s really hard to pin this on anyone within days of the attack,” Kurt Stammberger said in an interview as his company briefed FBI investigators Monday afternoon.

He said the briefing was set up after his company approached the agency with its findings.

Stammberger said after the meeting the FBI was “very open and grateful for our data and assistance” but didn’t share any of its data with Norse, although that was what the company expected.

The FBI said Monday it is standing behind its assessment, adding that evidence doesn’t support any other explanations.

“The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident.”

The spokeswoman had no comment on further inquiries about the briefing and whether the FBI found Norse’s case convincing.

A source who had been briefed on the FBI’s investigation said the agency had considered an insider as a possible explanation for the attack, but it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

The FBI won’t comment further on an open investigation, referring questions to the initial update on the investigation the agency released 10 days ago. That unusual release cited similarities between the malware and infrastructure behind the Sony attack and previous attacks attributed to North Korea as well as technical links to known North Korean-developed malware.

But many security researchers have found that evidence to be thin and unconvincing.

In addition to Norse’s analysis of Internet forums where perpetrators may have communicated and compiled dates within the malware used, a report from firm Taia Global said a linguistic analysis of the purported hacker messages points to Russian speakers rather than Korean.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory - Tal Kopan - POLITICO

Why would any American chose to believe their government, when it is clear that lying is standard procedure and has been for decades?
 
I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.

Well, just to fan the flames of conspiracy..... Sony has a motive. I haven't seen it but I've heard The Interview is mediocre, but its had some of the best publicity you could get. As a result, lot's of people are going to it and the internet sales have broken records.
 
Well, just to fan the flames of conspiracy..... Sony has a motive. I haven't seen it but I've heard The Interview is mediocre, but its had some of the best publicity you could get. As a result, lot's of people are going to it and the internet sales have broken records.

The Interview cost $42,000,000 to make. Sony is going to lose money on this deal, even before you calculate in what it's going to cost to replace it's network and all the computers that were destroyed by the malware and all the stars it's going to have to suck up to on future projects.

You think they are going to be be able to just play nice with Wil Smith after commenting, "Don't let this family date your movies"?
 
I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.

Well, just to fan the flames of conspiracy..... Sony has a motive. I haven't seen it but I've heard The Interview is mediocre, but its had some of the best publicity you could get. As a result, lot's of people are going to it and the internet sales have broken records.

I agree, that is what really went on.
 
"I buried Paul"

Publicity stunts are nothing new. It worked. Bravo to them.
 
Well, just to fan the flames of conspiracy..... Sony has a motive. I haven't seen it but I've heard The Interview is mediocre, but its had some of the best publicity you could get. As a result, lot's of people are going to it and the internet sales have broken records.

The Interview cost $42,000,000 to make. Sony is going to lose money on this deal, even before you calculate in what it's going to cost to replace it's network and all the computers that were destroyed by the malware and all the stars it's going to have to suck up to on future projects.

You think they are going to be be able to just play nice with Wil Smith after commenting, "Don't let this family date your movies"?

As I said, just to fan the conspiracy. However, the movie tanking would not have made it cost less to make, just result in a worse loss. As to the damage, that is what insurance is for. In regards to Mr. Smith, do you think he was unaware of the attitudes?

I'm not saying that is what happened. I have no idea what happened. But the question of motive was put forth, and Sony had a motive. Do you think it isn't possible that someone in the Sony management was stupid enough to do this?
 
Does this not ring a bell to anyone? Who went to the middle east to apologize for a film about a certain religious group, saying we aren't like that? And the film poducer was jailed again.

That approach failed miserably in the eyes of most.

Who almost got a film about a dictator not released?

Seems there could be an agenda here. Don't make films of others countries that may embarrass them, just maybe.

Fortunately Hollywood stood up and didn't allow these so-called threats of violence stop them in the end and released it, and lo and behold I haven't heard of any more threats.
 
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I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.


Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?
 
Because they perceive them to be a non threat? And the film was about their dictator...
I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.


Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?
 
Because they perceive them to be a non threat? And the film was about their dictator...
I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.


Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?

Yet the claims are proving to be less substantiated than your average rumor circulated on the web.
 
nice conspiracy theory.
Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...
except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2
On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
 
nice conspiracy theory.
Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...
except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2
On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.
The ny times? Really? How about the pentagon and the cia, as well as those there? You really need to go find and read all memos, etc. From actual persons within our govt that knew the truth from the beginning. See how the talking points evolved to a video from a sophisticated attack.
 

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