FBI Appears To Be Lying About Sony Hack ...But Why

[Discombobulated]

It appears that nothing that comes from this Department of Justice can be believed. It appears that the FBI lied about North Korea hacking Sony an independent source claims.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory
By Tal Kopan

12/29/14 7:41 PM EST

FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator — another example of the continuing whodunit blame game around the devastating attack.

Even the unprecedented decision to release details of an ongoing FBI investigation and President Barack Obama publicly blaming the hermit authoritarian regime hasn’t quieted a chorus of well-qualified skeptics who say the evidence just doesn’t add up.


Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

The FBI says it is standing by its conclusions, but the security community says they’ve been open and receptive to help from the private sector throughout the Sony investigation.

Norse, one of the world’s leading cyber intelligence firms, has been researching the hack since it was made public just before Thanksgiving.

Norse’s senior vice president of market development said that just the quickness of the FBI’s conclusion that North Korea was responsible was a red flag.

“When the FBI made the announcement so soon after the initial hack was unveiled, everyone in the [cyber] intelligence community kind of raised their eyebrows at it, because it’s really hard to pin this on anyone within days of the attack,” Kurt Stammberger said in an interview as his company briefed FBI investigators Monday afternoon.

He said the briefing was set up after his company approached the agency with its findings.

Stammberger said after the meeting the FBI was “very open and grateful for our data and assistance” but didn’t share any of its data with Norse, although that was what the company expected.

The FBI said Monday it is standing behind its assessment, adding that evidence doesn’t support any other explanations.

“The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident.”

The spokeswoman had no comment on further inquiries about the briefing and whether the FBI found Norse’s case convincing.

A source who had been briefed on the FBI’s investigation said the agency had considered an insider as a possible explanation for the attack, but it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

The FBI won’t comment further on an open investigation, referring questions to the initial update on the investigation the agency released 10 days ago. That unusual release cited similarities between the malware and infrastructure behind the Sony attack and previous attacks attributed to North Korea as well as technical links to known North Korean-developed malware.

But many security researchers have found that evidence to be thin and unconvincing.

In addition to Norse’s analysis of Internet forums where perpetrators may have communicated and compiled dates within the malware used, a report from firm Taia Global said a linguistic analysis of the purported hacker messages points to Russian speakers rather than Korean.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory - Tal Kopan - POLITICO​

A US official told Politico..........an unnamed source. In other words: Bull shit.

 

[shart_attack]

The FBI tried to pin the Anthrax attack on Steven Hatfill, a Rhodesian scientist for years. It turned out to be one of his colleagues who was trying to get an increase in funds for his research. Hatfill was a sexier suspect because of his nationality.

They tried to pin the Olympic bombings on Richard Jewell, the hero security volunteer who spotted the bomb and got people away from it. We later found out it was Nazi Eric Rudolf. Jewell was a sexier suspect because he was a cop-wannabe.

So, yes, I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI was jumping to conclusions on the Sony hack. At least they can't ruin Kim Jong Un's life like they did Hatfill and Jewell.

Hatfill is not Rhodesian, dumbass.

He was born in Missouri.

Steven Hatfill - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[ogibillm]

nice conspiracy theory.

Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...

except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

The ny times? Really? How about the pentagon and the cia, as well as those there? You really need to go find and read all memos, etc. From actual persons within our govt that knew the truth from the beginning. See how the talking points evolved to a video from a sophisticated attack.

doesn't matter, it's still not a conspiracy theory. might have been a wrong theory, but that's a bout it.

this on the other hand requires the fbi to choose to blame north korea over the attacks and choose to ignore the 'real' culprit because... why?
that just doesn't seem likely, does it

 

[hjmick]

Did they lie? Or are they just incompetent? Maybe lazy? "OH LOOK! A North Korean IP address! Case closed!"

 

[mudwhistle]

It appears that nothing that comes from this Department of Justice can be believed. It appears that the FBI lied about North Korea hacking Sony an independent source claims.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory
By Tal Kopan

12/29/14 7:41 PM EST

FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator — another example of the continuing whodunit blame game around the devastating attack.

Even the unprecedented decision to release details of an ongoing FBI investigation and President Barack Obama publicly blaming the hermit authoritarian regime hasn’t quieted a chorus of well-qualified skeptics who say the evidence just doesn’t add up.


Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

The FBI says it is standing by its conclusions, but the security community says they’ve been open and receptive to help from the private sector throughout the Sony investigation.

Norse, one of the world’s leading cyber intelligence firms, has been researching the hack since it was made public just before Thanksgiving.

Norse’s senior vice president of market development said that just the quickness of the FBI’s conclusion that North Korea was responsible was a red flag.

“When the FBI made the announcement so soon after the initial hack was unveiled, everyone in the [cyber] intelligence community kind of raised their eyebrows at it, because it’s really hard to pin this on anyone within days of the attack,” Kurt Stammberger said in an interview as his company briefed FBI investigators Monday afternoon.

He said the briefing was set up after his company approached the agency with its findings.

Stammberger said after the meeting the FBI was “very open and grateful for our data and assistance” but didn’t share any of its data with Norse, although that was what the company expected.

The FBI said Monday it is standing behind its assessment, adding that evidence doesn’t support any other explanations.

“The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident.”

The spokeswoman had no comment on further inquiries about the briefing and whether the FBI found Norse’s case convincing.

A source who had been briefed on the FBI’s investigation said the agency had considered an insider as a possible explanation for the attack, but it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

The FBI won’t comment further on an open investigation, referring questions to the initial update on the investigation the agency released 10 days ago. That unusual release cited similarities between the malware and infrastructure behind the Sony attack and previous attacks attributed to North Korea as well as technical links to known North Korean-developed malware.

But many security researchers have found that evidence to be thin and unconvincing.

In addition to Norse’s analysis of Internet forums where perpetrators may have communicated and compiled dates within the malware used, a report from firm Taia Global said a linguistic analysis of the purported hacker messages points to Russian speakers rather than Korean.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory - Tal Kopan - POLITICO​

A US official told Politico..........an unnamed source. In other words: Bull shit.

The Obama Administration is less reliable ... so ... the source is more reliable than the liars in the administration.

 

[depotoo]

Did the fbi actually have a news conference stating it was unquestionably N Korea or just release a statement? On something so big I would expect a news briefing or conference. I saw neither-just a statement.

nice conspiracy theory.

Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...

except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

The ny times? Really? How about the pentagon and the cia, as well as those there? You really need to go find and read all memos, etc. From actual persons within our govt that knew the truth from the beginning. See how the talking points evolved to a video from a sophisticated attack.

doesn't matter, it's still not a conspiracy theory. might have been a wrong theory, but that's a bout it.

this on the other hand requires the fbi to choose to blame north korea over the attacks and choose to ignore the 'real' culprit because... why?
that just doesn't seem likely, does it

 

[Freewill]

I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.

Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?

The FBI is not the administration.

 

[JoeB131]

Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?

You mean other than North Korea made a bunch of beligerent threats and has done this kind of thing in the past?

 

[JoeB131]

Hatfill is not Rhodesian, dumbass.

He was born in Missouri.

Oh, he just moved there to be with his fellow racists... do you get why the FBI Looked at this guy?

 

[mudwhistle]

I do have to wonder, why is a disagreement always painted as a lie? Is there a possibility that the FBI is correct? After all who else has the motive to hack SONY and blame it on a movie? What foresight is that to figure out to blame a movie release on hacking. I think SONY either knew from the beginning it was a disgruntled employee and used it for publicity or have now realized it and released the movie.

But that does not mean the FBI is anything other then just wrong.

And it does not mean that the "little North Korean fat fuck coming out on top here." He is still a dictator of a country stuck in the stone age.

All that said it does appear that the first guess of our government is often very wrong.

Does Benghazi ring a bell?

No???

This administration has a tendency to jump to false conclusions. My question is why would they finger North Korea with zero evidence?

The FBI is not the administration.

Yes they are. They fall under the Attorney General and the Department of Justice.

 

[Discombobulated]

It appears that nothing that comes from this Department of Justice can be believed. It appears that the FBI lied about North Korea hacking Sony an independent source claims.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory
By Tal Kopan

12/29/14 7:41 PM EST

FBI agents investigating the Sony Pictures hack were briefed Monday by a security firm that says its research points to laid-off Sony staff, not North Korea, as the perpetrator — another example of the continuing whodunit blame game around the devastating attack.

Even the unprecedented decision to release details of an ongoing FBI investigation and President Barack Obama publicly blaming the hermit authoritarian regime hasn’t quieted a chorus of well-qualified skeptics who say the evidence just doesn’t add up.


Researchers from the cyber intelligence company Norse have said their own investigation into the data on the Sony attack doesn’t point to North Korea at all and instead indicates some combination of a disgruntled employee and hackers for piracy groups is at fault.

The FBI says it is standing by its conclusions, but the security community says they’ve been open and receptive to help from the private sector throughout the Sony investigation.

Norse, one of the world’s leading cyber intelligence firms, has been researching the hack since it was made public just before Thanksgiving.

Norse’s senior vice president of market development said that just the quickness of the FBI’s conclusion that North Korea was responsible was a red flag.

“When the FBI made the announcement so soon after the initial hack was unveiled, everyone in the [cyber] intelligence community kind of raised their eyebrows at it, because it’s really hard to pin this on anyone within days of the attack,” Kurt Stammberger said in an interview as his company briefed FBI investigators Monday afternoon.

He said the briefing was set up after his company approached the agency with its findings.

Stammberger said after the meeting the FBI was “very open and grateful for our data and assistance” but didn’t share any of its data with Norse, although that was what the company expected.

The FBI said Monday it is standing behind its assessment, adding that evidence doesn’t support any other explanations.

“The FBI has concluded the Government of North Korea is responsible for the theft and destruction of data on the network of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Attribution to North Korea is based on intelligence from the FBI, the U.S. intelligence community, DHS, foreign partners and the private sector,” a spokeswoman said in a statement. “There is no credible information to indicate that any other individual is responsible for this cyber incident.”

The spokeswoman had no comment on further inquiries about the briefing and whether the FBI found Norse’s case convincing.

A source who had been briefed on the FBI’s investigation said the agency had considered an insider as a possible explanation for the attack, but it wasn’t supported by the evidence.

The FBI won’t comment further on an open investigation, referring questions to the initial update on the investigation the agency released 10 days ago. That unusual release cited similarities between the malware and infrastructure behind the Sony attack and previous attacks attributed to North Korea as well as technical links to known North Korean-developed malware.

But many security researchers have found that evidence to be thin and unconvincing.

In addition to Norse’s analysis of Internet forums where perpetrators may have communicated and compiled dates within the malware used, a report from firm Taia Global said a linguistic analysis of the purported hacker messages points to Russian speakers rather than Korean.

FBI briefed on alternate Sony hack theory - Tal Kopan - POLITICO​

A US official told Politico..........an unnamed source. In other words: Bull shit.

The Obama Administration is less reliable ... so ... the source is more reliable than the liars in the administration.

Did you arrive at this conclusion based on the information obtained in your comprehensive study? Or did you just pull that from the same place all your best ideas come from?

 

[Freewill]

Did the fbi actually have a news conference stating it was unquestionably N Korea or just release a statement? On something so big I would expect a news briefing or conference. I saw neither-just a statement.

nice conspiracy theory.

Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...

except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

The ny times? Really? How about the pentagon and the cia, as well as those there? You really need to go find and read all memos, etc. From actual persons within our govt that knew the truth from the beginning. See how the talking points evolved to a video from a sophisticated attack.

doesn't matter, it's still not a conspiracy theory. might have been a wrong theory, but that's a bout it.

this on the other hand requires the fbi to choose to blame north korea over the attacks and choose to ignore the 'real' culprit because... why?
that just doesn't seem likely, does it

The FBI, I think, released a press release, that is how they informed Obama. He gets all his updates on the 9th hole via the MSM.

 

[depotoo]

And if you read it? It is one of the sloppiest I have seen of theirs. It looked more like they were justifying their reasoning, rather than with hard facts
And I liked how they stated, along with other agencies. Now did they list those other agencies? No.

Did the fbi actually have a news conference stating it was unquestionably N Korea or just release a statement? On something so big I would expect a news briefing or conference. I saw neither-just a statement.

Sort of like the theory a video caused the death of Stevens...

except, and i'm sure you know this, there were protests sparked by that video at the same time. in fact the new york times says it was a factor
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/w...n-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html?hp&_r=2

On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.
As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

The ny times? Really? How about the pentagon and the cia, as well as those there? You really need to go find and read all memos, etc. From actual persons within our govt that knew the truth from the beginning. See how the talking points evolved to a video from a sophisticated attack.

doesn't matter, it's still not a conspiracy theory. might have been a wrong theory, but that's a bout it.

this on the other hand requires the fbi to choose to blame north korea over the attacks and choose to ignore the 'real' culprit because... why?
that just doesn't seem likely, does it

The FBI, I think, released a press release, that is how they informed Obama. He gets all his updates on the 9th hole via the MSM.