FBI director--Comey states Petraeus case worse than Clinton's emails

[oreo]

Republicans had a conniption fit over the FBI investigation into David Petraeus, and the classified infomation during his tenure as CIA chief. REMEMBER? Now we've been through many Clinton investigations over the years, and the Reich wing is never satisfied with the results, so they demand more investigations, and at great taxpayer expense to come up with the same result (always) as the first one.

Petraeus v Clinton

"Republicans have long insisted that former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus' mishandling of classified information was far less egregious misconduct than Hillary Clinton's private email use while leading the State Department.

The talking point has gained steam this week after FBI Director James Comey recommended that the Justice Department bring no charges against Clinton, with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump even suggesting a nefarious motive behind the decision.

On Thursday, Comey was given an opportunity to rebut some of those charges during a hearing on Capitol Hill before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

"The Petraeus case, to my mind, illustrates perfectly the kind of cases the Department of Justice is willing to prosecute," Comey told the committee.

Petraeus, the four-star general who oversaw military operations in both Afghanistan and Iraq, resigned as CIA director in 2012 after his extramarital affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell, became public.

The FBI and Justice Department later recommended felony charges against him for sharing classified information with Broadwell. He ultimately avoided jail time after pleading guilty to a misdemeanor last year, resulting in two years probation and a $100,000 fine. At the time, members of Congress from both sides of the aisle rallied to Petraeus' defense and criticized the Justice Department for pursuing the case.

Republicans have argued that Petraeus' malfeasance was petty, especially relative to Clinton's use of a private email servers
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At the hearing on Thursday, Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings, the committee's ranking member, invited Comey to counter those claims.
Comey pointed out that Petraeus not only shared the classified information, but also hid the documents in his attic and then lied to investigators.

"So you have obstruction of justice, you have intentional misconduct and a vast quantity of information," Comey said. "He admitted he knew that was the wrong thing to do. That is a perfect illustration of the kind of cases that get prosecuted."
James Comey: David Petraeus case worse than Hillary Clinton's emails - CNNPolitics.com

 

[yiostheoy]

Comey is correct.

Petraeus give Paula Broadbutt a whole box of classified documents so that he could put his dick in her.

And he went all in.

So there was indeed a crime with wrongful enrichment (Paula Broadbutt's vagina).

 

[S.J.]

Why would anyone take Comey seriously after listing Hillary's crimes, then recommending she not be indicted?

 

[Kosh]

It is funny that the FBI Director is claiming that Hilary is stupid and the far left is eating it up!

 

[JTalbain]

Why would anyone take Comey seriously after listing Hillary's crimes, then recommending she not be indicted?

Because he stressed that her actions were not criminal. Careless? Yes. Foolish? Perhaps. Arrogant? Probably. Stupid? Possibly. Criminal? No.

The law is the law. It's not a stick to be used by politicians to beat their opponents into submission and slander their reputation. What she did was the modern equivalent of leaving sensitive information on her desk in her locked office rather than putting it in a lockbox in a vault. Doing so could create a vulnerability, because someone could pick the lock to her office and steal the information. But all that did was create a vulnerability, not a breach. Unless they can prove such a breach occurred, and definitively say sensitive information was obtained by unauthorized personel as a result, this is much ado about nothing.

 

[S.J.]

Why would anyone take Comey seriously after listing Hillary's crimes, then recommending she not be indicted?

Because he stressed that her actions were not criminal. Careless? Yes. Foolish? Perhaps. Arrogant? Probably. Stupid? Possibly. Criminal? No.

The law is the law. It's not a stick to be used by politicians to beat their opponents into submission and slander their reputation. What she did was the modern equivalent of leaving sensitive information on her desk in her locked office rather than putting it in a lockbox in a vault. Doing so could create a vulnerability, because someone could pick the lock to her office and steal the information. But all that did was create a vulnerability, not a breach. Unless they can prove such a breach occurred, and definitively say sensitive information was obtained by unauthorized personel as a result, this is much ado about nothing.

She lied about it, that's a pretty good indication she knew what she did was illegal. Besides, you don't understand the law. Look it up. It doesn't matter if she "intended" to do anything illegal, the crime is "doing" it. You're ignorant, at least on this issue.

 

[JTalbain]

Why would anyone take Comey seriously after listing Hillary's crimes, then recommending she not be indicted?

Because he stressed that her actions were not criminal. Careless? Yes. Foolish? Perhaps. Arrogant? Probably. Stupid? Possibly. Criminal? No.

The law is the law. It's not a stick to be used by politicians to beat their opponents into submission and slander their reputation. What she did was the modern equivalent of leaving sensitive information on her desk in her locked office rather than putting it in a lockbox in a vault. Doing so could create a vulnerability, because someone could pick the lock to her office and steal the information. But all that did was create a vulnerability, not a breach. Unless they can prove such a breach occurred, and definitively say sensitive information was obtained by unauthorized personel as a result, this is much ado about nothing.

She lied about it, that's a pretty good indication she knew what she did was illegal. Besides, you don't understand the law. Look it up. It doesn't matter if she "intended" to do anything illegal, the crime is "doing" it. You're ignorant, at least on this issue.

The law that they were attempt to indict her under was the Espionage Act of 1917. Here is the US Code derived from it. 18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information If Walt Whitman and Herman Melville had an overly verbose baby that decided it wanted to write a law, it would write the Espionage Act of 1917, and I'm not posting the full text of that garbage here.

There is nothing in the entire text of the law that mentions "unsecured channels". The elements it relies upon are relics from a time when everything had a hard copy and any breach would have to be physical. That is the point: Emails inherently create copies without intention of storage, duplication, or distribution. Computer hacking allows for access to the information without knowledge of or access to any of the parties or materials involved. In fact this type of "access" (computer to computer) literally did not exist and had not been conceived yet when the law was written. The last revision to the act predated the first email by over 20 years. Because of these facts, someone could cause a breach and not do so knowingly or willfully, and because of this be completely untouchable under the law.

THAT is the point that Comey was making. He stressed many times that what Hillary did was extremely careless, she shouldn't have done it, she lied to the public, etc. None of that was disputed. What he was saying was that the law itself is INADEQUATE for today's times. The State Department knows the score and sets rules accordingly. They have their own regulations about what their employees can and can't do. If an employee violates them, as Clinton has surely done, then they can discipline them within the restrictions allowed as their employer. They can fire them, suspend, them, or revoke their clearance. That's it. The State Department can make recommendations regarding the laws, but it's up to Congress to legislate.

Hillary lying proves nothing with regards to legality. It makes her look foolish, irresponsible, and untrustworthy if the narrative shifts to how she can't follow security protocols and repeatedly endangered state secrets. Criminal charges be damned, she had a lot to lose by this coming to light. If she wasn't facing a shaved orangutan with dementia in 2016, she'd have probably just lost the election.

 

[oreo]

Why would anyone take Comey seriously after listing Hillary's crimes, then recommending she not be indicted?

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Here we have the CIA DIRECTOR, David Patreaus giving classified information to his mistress so she can write a book about him, who then lied to the FBI, then admitted he lied, and also admitted he committed a criminal act by giving classified information to her.

Versus

Some of Hillary Clinton's emails were marked classified (after she received them,) as what happened to Colin Powell and Condi Rice's emails. They didn't deliver classified documents to anyone that wasn't authorized to receive them. They didn't lie to the FBI, and they didn't try to hide anything from the FBI. Unknowingly Hillary Clinton had an IT Senior Staffer working at the State Department set up a private server in her home, and this Senior IT staffer who worked at the State department also maintained the server. If anyone should have known state department rules regarding private servers, one would think it would be a Senior IT staffer working at the State Department. He's probably done it for others, but it was never an issue until now. He also received immunity from the FBI to save his own ass. IOW there was no INTENT on Hillary Clinton's behalf to break protocol or rules or committ a criminal act, much less deliver classified information to people who were not authorized to receive classified information.
State Department: Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice staffers received classified info via personal email - CNNPolitics.com

That's the DIFFERENCE.

 

[S.J.]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

 

[oreo]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

 

[S.J.]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

 

[oreo]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

 

[S.J.]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

 

[oreo]

Take off your rose colored partisan googles then you might be able to see

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing--it's because you wanted to change the topic--LOL You're flapping in the wind.

I know it's real tough to go into this race with the Chimpanzee nominee--and it hurts to lose your primary weapons Benghazi and Emails--so you're trying to divert the topic from David Petraeus a 4 star General, and CIA director and what he did, because it makes Hillary Clinton's email scandal look very weak in comparison. You don't know what to say or how to defend it, so the typical tactic is to change the topic, and you did to Muslims and Islam.

 

[S.J.]

Rose colored "googles"?

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing--it's because you wanted to change the topic--LOL You're flapping in the wind.

I know it's real tough to go into this race with the Chimpanzee nominee--and it hurts to lose your primary weapons Benghazi and Emails--so you're trying to divert the topic from David Petraeus a 4 star General, and CIA director and what he did, because it makes Hillary Clinton's email scandal look very weak in comparison. You don't know what to say or how to defend it, so the typical tactic is to change the topic, and you did to Muslims and Islam.

And exactly how did I change the subject?

 

[oreo]

There are millions of Muslims in this world that are not violent, some of them our allies. Sweet Baby Jesus are you people really this dumb.

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing--it's because you wanted to change the topic--LOL You're flapping in the wind.

I know it's real tough to go into this race with the Chimpanzee nominee--and it hurts to lose your primary weapons Benghazi and Emails--so you're trying to divert the topic from David Petraeus a 4 star General, and CIA director and what he did, because it makes Hillary Clinton's email scandal look very weak in comparison. You don't know what to say or how to defend it, so the typical tactic is to change the topic, and you did to Muslims and Islam.

And exactly how did I change the subject?

Do you read your own posts, and what you have plastered at the bottom of them? You've got to be a Donald Trump supporter--LOL.

 

[S.J.]

Muslims? Are you drunk again?

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing--it's because you wanted to change the topic--LOL You're flapping in the wind.

I know it's real tough to go into this race with the Chimpanzee nominee--and it hurts to lose your primary weapons Benghazi and Emails--so you're trying to divert the topic from David Petraeus a 4 star General, and CIA director and what he did, because it makes Hillary Clinton's email scandal look very weak in comparison. You don't know what to say or how to defend it, so the typical tactic is to change the topic, and you did to Muslims and Islam.

And exactly how did I change the subject?

Do you read your own posts, and what you have plastered at the bottom of them? You've got to be a Donald Trump supporter--LOL.

I know what I've posted in this thread and I know what you've posted and your rant is off topic. Can't even stick to the topic of your own thread?

 

[Contumacious]

Comey is correct.

Petraeus give Paula Broadbutt a whole box of classified documents so that he could put his dick in her.

And he went all in.

So there was indeed a crime with wrongful enrichment (Paula Broadbutt's vagina).

Comey is INcorrect.

And it famously prosecuted Gen. David Petraeus for sharing paper copies of his daily calendar in his guarded home with a military colleague also in the home — Paula Broadwell had a secret security clearance herself — because the calendar inadvertently included secret matters in the pages underneath the calendar.


There was NO MENS REA that the General INTENDED TO CRIMINALLY HARM THE US.

So STFU.


.

 

[JBond]

I don't equate the two cases. They are completely different. One made a singular bad decision and deserved everything he received. The other made continual, habitual sins regarding security and gets a pass.

 

[oreo]

The overwhelming majority of Muslims--whose faith is Islam are not violent, and do not practice Sharia law or believe in killing innocents.

"Some of the comments that have been uttered about Islam do not reflect the sentiments of my government or the sentiments of most Americans. Islam, as practiced by the vast majority of people, is a peaceful religion, a religion that respects others. Ours is a country based upon tolerance and we welcome people of all faiths in America."

"We see in Islam a religion that traces its origins back to God's call on Abraham. We share your belief in God's justice, and your insistence on man's moral responsibility. We thank the many Muslim nations who stand with us against terror. Nations that are often victims of terror, themselves."

"Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion."

"All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true faith -- face of Islam. Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate."

All stated by G.W. Bush.

And all that has what to do with this thread?

Absolutely nothing--it's because you wanted to change the topic--LOL You're flapping in the wind.

I know it's real tough to go into this race with the Chimpanzee nominee--and it hurts to lose your primary weapons Benghazi and Emails--so you're trying to divert the topic from David Petraeus a 4 star General, and CIA director and what he did, because it makes Hillary Clinton's email scandal look very weak in comparison. You don't know what to say or how to defend it, so the typical tactic is to change the topic, and you did to Muslims and Islam.

And exactly how did I change the subject?

Do you read your own posts, and what you have plastered at the bottom of them? You've got to be a Donald Trump supporter--LOL.

I know what I've posted in this thread and I know what you've posted and your rant is off topic. Can't even stick to the topic of your own thread?

Yeah right---LOL You're full of conspiracy theory--then you try and divert--I know exactly who you are. I have been doing this for many years. You're way to easy for me.
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