Fixing Inequality

All lies.

the vast majority of americans were happy with their healthcare policies

jobs went overseas because of unions and taxes, businesses could not survive in the US so they moved.

social security and medicare have nothing to do with corporate profits, where do you get this crap?

Right, the uninsured were very happy no doubt.

You mean they could not increase the pay of executives as quickly if they didn't move jobs. But they could have stayed here.

Companies used to give pensions and healthcare into retirement. Now that is unheard of. You don't think cutting these increased profits?

Sorry, but more inequality equals bigger government. It's a fact.

Many were uninsured by choice, the govt could have given a free policy to the uninsured and it would have cost billions less than obamacare

Executive pay is not the reason there is no textile industry in the USA any more. Nor is it the reason there is no commercial shipbuilding industry in the USA. executive pay is not why Detroit is a hellhole--------------------unions, taxes, and liberal govt are the reasons.

No pension plans? have you heard of 401K accounts? do you realize that employers put money into them?

And many more just can't get a good job with insurance, it was sent to China.

Sure, CEOs make 300x more than they did in the 70s, but that has nothing to do with it. It's those evil unions. Now instead of union jobs we have fast food and walmart jobs. Now people with full time jobs need food stamps. Oh more government again.

Oh I guess you'd take a 401k over a good pension? Haha. Who you know getting healthcare into retirement?
 
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Is the irony intentional?
There was no irony.
You planning on explaining why you think income inequality is a problem that demands a gov't solution or should we just take your word?

It is inefficient and left unchecked it will undermine our Democracy. Possibly to the point of revolution.

Is that enough of a reason?

you gave a reason but did not explain how that reason is applicable.

Please explain how it is inefficient and how it will undermine our democracy.
 
There will always be inequality in income--always has been, always will be. Just as you or I will never be an NFL quaterback. Some people have more talents and/or marketable skills than others, some work harder, some are luckier.

We already have a progressive taxation system that punishes success.

What we need is a growing economy that creates jobs for everyone and gives everyone the chance for advancement. A huge oppressive expensive government is the cause of income inequality, not the cure for it.

It is the degree of income inequality that is the problem. Our tax system is not that progressive. Income inequality slows down long term economic growth.

total bullshit. your jealousy of successful people is all your rant is about.

Instead of crying about it, why not do something to increase your societal value and make more money?

Thanks for telling me I am lying about what my opinion is.

:cuckoo:
 
It is inefficient and left unchecked it will undermine our Democracy. Possibly to the point of revolution.

Is that enough of a reason?

There is no income inequality is socialist totalitarian govts like north korea. Unless you are smart enough to realize the all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of "leaders" and everyone else is EQUALLY miserable.

you libs have not idea what you are asking for.

I am asking for the income inequality of the 70's or even the 80's.

OHH THE HORROR! COMMUNISM!!!!


Do you think there were no rich people in the 70s and 80s? The tax rates were higher, but there were more exemptions and deductions, so the rich were actually better off than they are today.

Sound like you are a victim of the left wing media and its lies.
 
It is the degree of income inequality that is the problem. Our tax system is not that progressive. Income inequality slows down long term economic growth.

total bullshit. your jealousy of successful people is all your rant is about.

Instead of crying about it, why not do something to increase your societal value and make more money?

Thanks for telling me I am lying about what my opinion is.

:cuckoo:

You never said it was your opinion, you claimed it as fact.

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
 
There is no income inequality is socialist totalitarian govts like north korea. Unless you are smart enough to realize the all of the money and all of the power is concentrated in a very small group of "leaders" and everyone else is EQUALLY miserable.

you libs have not idea what you are asking for.

I am asking for the income inequality of the 70's or even the 80's.

OHH THE HORROR! COMMUNISM!!!!


Do you think there were no rich people in the 70s and 80s? The tax rates were higher, but there were more exemptions and deductions, so the rich were actually better off than they are today.

Sound like you are a victim of the left wing media and its lies.

Yes. This is true. When the tax rates were higher, there were tax havens, allowable "loopholes", etc.

Seems no one wants to remember that.
 
There was no irony.
You planning on explaining why you think income inequality is a problem that demands a gov't solution or should we just take your word?

It is inefficient and left unchecked it will undermine our Democracy. Possibly to the point of revolution.

Is that enough of a reason?

you gave a reason but did not explain how that reason is applicable.

Please explain how it is inefficient and how it will undermine our democracy.

It is inefficient because it leads to unemployment, underemployment, people in jail, slower growth in demand and therefore supply, more volatility which slows growth long term, increases likelihood and dependence on government aid, destroys communities and harms children(future producers), and more.

As for Democracy being undermined, just look at how important money is now in our democratic process and how people are becoming frustrated. Now imagine how many more years of growing income inequality it will take to break the US. 5 decades? 10 decades?

Growing income inequality is simply unsustainable.
 
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are you 12 years old? only a child could be that naive.

No, quite old actually. Please explain what is naive, I need a good laugh. Naive is thinking lowering taxes will fix inequality.

Not directly, but lower taxes leaves more money in the economy for people to spend on consumer goods and for businesses to use for expansion and growth---all of which create jobs.

Without some incentives it will create more low paying jobs. It's naive to think it won't. You still believing in trickle down economics I suppose?
 
what do you think drives market prices Bombur....

The top 1% or the remaining 99%?

The fact that Richie Rich has billions should have absolutely no effect on your life at all...

Except maybe envy.
 
I am asking for the income inequality of the 70's or even the 80's.

OHH THE HORROR! COMMUNISM!!!!


Do you think there were no rich people in the 70s and 80s? The tax rates were higher, but there were more exemptions and deductions, so the rich were actually better off than they are today.

Sound like you are a victim of the left wing media and its lies.

Yes. This is true. When the tax rates were higher, there were tax havens, allowable "loopholes", etc.

Seems no one wants to remember that.

Of course there were rich people in the 70's and 80's. That was my point.

If you want to present an argument that income inequality is not growing I would gladly hear it. I may laugh at it though.
 
I am asking for the income inequality of the 70's or even the 80's.

OHH THE HORROR! COMMUNISM!!!!


Do you think there were no rich people in the 70s and 80s? The tax rates were higher, but there were more exemptions and deductions, so the rich were actually better off than they are today.

Sound like you are a victim of the left wing media and its lies.

Yes. This is true. When the tax rates were higher, there were tax havens, allowable "loopholes", etc.

Seems no one wants to remember that.

Now we have lower rates with plenty of loopholes. Look at the statistics, the rich are doing very well.
 
It is inefficient and left unchecked it will undermine our Democracy. Possibly to the point of revolution.

Is that enough of a reason?

you gave a reason but did not explain how that reason is applicable.

Please explain how it is inefficient and how it will undermine our democracy.

It is inefficient because it leads to unemployment, underemployment, people in jail, slower growth in demand and therefore supply, more volatility which slows growth long term, increases likelihood and dependence on government aid, destroys communities and harms children(future producers), and more.

As for Democracy being undermined, just look at how important money is now in our democratic process and how people are becoming frustrated. Now imagine how many more years of growing income inequality it will take to break the US. 5 decades? 10 decades?

Growing income inequality is simply unsustainable.

How does it lead to unemployment?

Slower growth in demand?

Huh?

DO you think the manufacturers and retailers expect to stay in business catering to just the 1%?

Or do you think they adjust prices to allow for a greater demand for their goods?

Come on son.....do some thinking.

Don't regurgitate left wing talking points.
 
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No, quite old actually. Please explain what is naive, I need a good laugh. Naive is thinking lowering taxes will fix inequality.

Not directly, but lower taxes leaves more money in the economy for people to spend on consumer goods and for businesses to use for expansion and growth---all of which create jobs.

Without some incentives it will create more low paying jobs. It's naive to think it won't. You still believing in trickle down economics I suppose?

OMG, OK, capitalism sucks, lets guarantee every american 100K per year no matter what job they do or even if they don't have a job.

All equal----------happy now?

You are too fucking dumb to continue this conversation with. :cuckoo:
 
what do you think drives market prices Bombur....

The top 1% or the remaining 99%?

The fact that Richie Rich has billions should have absolutely no effect on your life at all...

Except maybe envy.

It is a fact that income inequality has an impact on all the things I previously listed.

Sorry.
 
Not directly, but lower taxes leaves more money in the economy for people to spend on consumer goods and for businesses to use for expansion and growth---all of which create jobs.

Without some incentives it will create more low paying jobs. It's naive to think it won't. You still believing in trickle down economics I suppose?

OMG, OK, capitalism sucks, lets guarantee every american 100K per year no matter what job they do or even if they don't have a jobs.

All equal----------happy now?

You are too fucking dumb to continue this conversation with. :cuckoo:

This is a straw man argument. It is a blatant logical fallacy.
 
what do you think drives market prices Bombur....

The top 1% or the remaining 99%?

The fact that Richie Rich has billions should have absolutely no effect on your life at all...

Except maybe envy.

I guess that's true if you ignore that he's getting rich by cutting wages, benefits, shipping jobs overseas, collecting corporate welfare... But it would be silly to ignore that.
 
Do you think there were no rich people in the 70s and 80s? The tax rates were higher, but there were more exemptions and deductions, so the rich were actually better off than they are today.

Sound like you are a victim of the left wing media and its lies.

Yes. This is true. When the tax rates were higher, there were tax havens, allowable "loopholes", etc.

Seems no one wants to remember that.

Now we have lower rates with plenty of loopholes. Look at the statistics, the rich are doing very well.

No. There are no loopholes now

There are no tax havens.

They have been eliminated.

Now we have simple deductions/exemptions and all get to capitalize on them.

Some things are tax deferred....but not tax exempt.

But a man making 50K gets the same deduction for his child as a billionaire.

Both get to deduct interest on mortgage and real estate tax...

it used to be...if you were rich you can invest cash in a tax haven and not be taxed at all. Yes, just the rich had the cash to do that.

Not anymore.

You should read up on this stuff. My guess it was well before your time.

Not mine, unfortunately......im 55
 
what do you think drives market prices Bombur....

The top 1% or the remaining 99%?

The fact that Richie Rich has billions should have absolutely no effect on your life at all...

Except maybe envy.

I guess that's true if you ignore that he's getting rich by cutting wages, benefits, shipping jobs overseas, collecting corporate welfare... But it would be silly to ignore that.

you are missing the point....

He cant get rich by laying off people if there is not a demand for his product or service...

That is a fallacy....

Think about it.
 
what do you think drives market prices Bombur....

The top 1% or the remaining 99%?

The fact that Richie Rich has billions should have absolutely no effect on your life at all...

Except maybe envy.

It is a fact that income inequality has an impact on all the things I previously listed.

Sorry.

No.

It is your opinion.

By no means a proven fact.

You should know the difference.
 

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