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The killer carried an assault rifle and a pistol, making it as easy as shooting fish in a barrel and accumulate huge numbers of murdered victims.
Maybe one should ask - WHY does a person need an assault rifle? WHY should he have been able to get it? Same thing with the San Diego shooters - they had an arsonal and bullet proof armor. We need to look at extremist ideology yes, but we also need to look at the factors that help to create such a huge death toll.
He entered a confined space, packed with 350 people, in the dark, with loud music and strobe lights....and most of them were in some form of intoxication and some under the influence of drugs....
and they were all in a gun free zone......so your gun control laws actually worked, not one innocent gay person in that dance club had a gun.....
those are the real factors, not the rifle....
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
there are 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands......
one was used illegally to commit the illegal act of murder....
that means that 3,749,999 AR-15s in private hands were not used for any form of crime.....
Do you understand what those numbers mean?
Law abiding Americans use the AR-15 rifle and others like it for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting and never use them for anything else.....
your logic is that banning 3,749,999 AR-15s that were not used to commit murder would stop the one guy from committing murder with one rifle.....
While the AR-15 and actual fully automatic rifles are completely illegal in France...they have 0 AR-15s in France.......let me repeat...they have 0 AR-15s in France....and islamic terrorists on government watch lists got illegal, fully automatic rifles...AK-47s which are also completely illegal in france and murdered 140 people...and injured hundreds of others............
So how does your post make any sense at all........
A Progressive socialist, the hate we saw acted out on a bunch a little kids...Right wingers are radical Muslims in your area?He was a progressive left-a-tard.... DumbassRightwing Gun Nut.
No Dorkface. He was a rightwing gun nut with a right wing gun nut mother enabling him. Geez, you guys can't even own your own?
We were referring to SANDY HOOK. Sheesh, can't you guys follow a conversation?
It's been reported the gunman may have had an IED too. Maybe when the lone gunmen turn into lone Frankenstein vehicle drivers the toll will go up..?The killer carried an assault rifle and a pistol, making it as easy as shooting fish in a barrel and accumulate huge numbers of murdered victims.
Maybe one should ask - WHY does a person need an assault rifle? WHY should he have been able to get it? Same thing with the San Diego shooters - they had an arsonal and bullet proof armor. We need to look at extremist ideology yes, but we also need to look at the factors that help to create such a huge death toll.
Such bullshit. He was investigated 3 different times for terror ties and all 3 times the investigation was closed.
I would like to just blame individual behavior, something political correctness would never do. But then again Islam is the most violent cult the planet has ever seen...One things for certain the gun has nothing to do with it, the guilt by association Is tired and weak…
Guns and religions are both tools. Liberals blame guns. Conservatives blame religion.
Your statement indicates you have no desire to blame individual behavior.
There's been a huge increase in mass shootings over the years. Don't you think that Gun Nuts are the most violent cult the planet has ever seen?
Nope.....
there are 357,000,000 million guns in private hands in the United STates....
There are 1,500,000 Americans who use guns each year to actually stop violent criminal attack and even to stop mass shooters...
There are 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....of those 90% of the shooters were convicted felons who could not legally own or carry the gun they used....
so no.....American gun culture is responsible and peaceful....and use guns for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting.....
American thug culture use illegally acquired guns which they are not allowed to own or carry to commit crimes and murder...
You are wrong.
Consider this then.
There are 3.3 million Muslims in the United States peacefully practicing their religion.
There have been 6 successful Islamic terrorist attacks on US Soil since 9/11. There have been 31 foiled attacks by Islamic extremists in that timeframe (15 years).
I would like to just blame individual behavior, something political correctness would never do. But then again Islam is the most violent cult the planet has ever seen...Guns and religions are both tools. Liberals blame guns. Conservatives blame religion.
Your statement indicates you have no desire to blame individual behavior.
There's been a huge increase in mass shootings over the years. Don't you think that Gun Nuts are the most violent cult the planet has ever seen?
Nope.....
there are 357,000,000 million guns in private hands in the United STates....
There are 1,500,000 Americans who use guns each year to actually stop violent criminal attack and even to stop mass shooters...
There are 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....of those 90% of the shooters were convicted felons who could not legally own or carry the gun they used....
so no.....American gun culture is responsible and peaceful....and use guns for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting.....
American thug culture use illegally acquired guns which they are not allowed to own or carry to commit crimes and murder...
You are wrong.
Consider this then.
There are 3.3 million Muslims in the United States peacefully practicing their religion.
There have been 6 successful Islamic terrorist attacks on US Soil since 9/11. There have been 31 foiled attacks by Islamic extremists in that timeframe (15 years).
and.
The killer carried an assault rifle and a pistol, making it as easy as shooting fish in a barrel and accumulate huge numbers of murdered victims.
Maybe one should ask - WHY does a person need an assault rifle? WHY should he have been able to get it? Same thing with the San Diego shooters - they had an arsonal and bullet proof armor. We need to look at extremist ideology yes, but we also need to look at the factors that help to create such a huge death toll.
He entered a confined space, packed with 350 people, in the dark, with loud music and strobe lights....and most of them were in some form of intoxication and some under the influence of drugs....
and they were all in a gun free zone......so your gun control laws actually worked, not one innocent gay person in that dance club had a gun.....
those are the real factors, not the rifle....
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
there are 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands......
one was used illegally to commit the illegal act of murder....
that means that 3,749,999 AR-15s in private hands were not used for any form of crime.....
Do you understand what those numbers mean?
Law abiding Americans use the AR-15 rifle and others like it for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting and never use them for anything else.....
your logic is that banning 3,749,999 AR-15s that were not used to commit murder would stop the one guy from committing murder with one rifle.....
While the AR-15 and actual fully automatic rifles are completely illegal in France...they have 0 AR-15s in France.......let me repeat...they have 0 AR-15s in France....and islamic terrorists on government watch lists got illegal, fully automatic rifles...AK-47s which are also completely illegal in france and murdered 140 people...and injured hundreds of others............
So how does your post make any sense at all........
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
I disagree - he would have had to stop, pick up a fresh gun each time, and that could have allowed time for someone to intervene.
Three on US soil in 8 years, one of which was Timothy McVey, so he doesn't really count. Khobar Tower was Hezbollah, so how that is at all related to the 9/11 Al Qaida attack, I have no idea. If you're referring to the Bojinka Plot, it never got anywhere. So, you got 6 attacks, total in 8 years, only three of which actually happened on US soil, of which 2 wsere Al Qaida. Furthermore, the most actionable intelligence that Clinton got from the intelligence comunity was the Al Qaida was going to do something not nice to America, sometime in the future, But Bin Laden should have been Clinton's highest priority. Meanwhile, Bush, who got multiple reports that an Al, Qaida attack was "imminent", and the the US should strengthen its security - which he ignored - should get a pass on the attack that was on his watch, and we should blamed Clinton for that.Really? You wanna go down that rabbit hole? How about because Regan armed, and trained Bin Laden, and his terrorists.oklahoma city? Tim McVeigh ring a bell?
9/11....3,000 dead Americans and Foreigners...ring a bell?
Yes, it was under W's watch.
Because Clinton didn't act...
So, how far back you wanna take this?
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Clinton had attack after attack on this country and did nothing asswipe....the Kobar Towers, the first World trade center bombing, the attack on the Cole....and couldn't be bothered with it because it would have distracted him and his wife from selling the lincoln bedroom....
Such bullshit. He was investigated 3 different times for terror ties and all 3 times the investigation was closed.
I would like to just blame individual behavior, something political correctness would never do. But then again Islam is the most violent cult the planet has ever seen...One things for certain the gun has nothing to do with it, the guilt by association Is tired and weak…
Guns and religions are both tools. Liberals blame guns. Conservatives blame religion.
Your statement indicates you have no desire to blame individual behavior.
There's been a huge increase in mass shootings over the years. Don't you think that Gun Nuts are the most violent cult the planet has ever seen?
Nope.....
there are 357,000,000 million guns in private hands in the United STates....
There are 1,500,000 Americans who use guns each year to actually stop violent criminal attack and even to stop mass shooters...
There are 8,124 gun murders in 2014.....of those 90% of the shooters were convicted felons who could not legally own or carry the gun they used....
so no.....American gun culture is responsible and peaceful....and use guns for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting.....
American thug culture use illegally acquired guns which they are not allowed to own or carry to commit crimes and murder...
You are wrong.
Consider this then.
There are 3.3 million Muslims in the United States peacefully practicing their religion.
There have been 6 successful Islamic terrorist attacks on US Soil since 9/11. There have been 31 foiled attacks by Islamic extremists in that timeframe (15 years).
The killer carried an assault rifle and a pistol, making it as easy as shooting fish in a barrel and accumulate huge numbers of murdered victims.
Maybe one should ask - WHY does a person need an assault rifle? WHY should he have been able to get it? Same thing with the San Diego shooters - they had an arsonal and bullet proof armor. We need to look at extremist ideology yes, but we also need to look at the factors that help to create such a huge death toll.
He entered a confined space, packed with 350 people, in the dark, with loud music and strobe lights....and most of them were in some form of intoxication and some under the influence of drugs....
and they were all in a gun free zone......so your gun control laws actually worked, not one innocent gay person in that dance club had a gun.....
those are the real factors, not the rifle....
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
there are 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands......
one was used illegally to commit the illegal act of murder....
that means that 3,749,999 AR-15s in private hands were not used for any form of crime.....
Do you understand what those numbers mean?
Law abiding Americans use the AR-15 rifle and others like it for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting and never use them for anything else.....
your logic is that banning 3,749,999 AR-15s that were not used to commit murder would stop the one guy from committing murder with one rifle.....
While the AR-15 and actual fully automatic rifles are completely illegal in France...they have 0 AR-15s in France.......let me repeat...they have 0 AR-15s in France....and islamic terrorists on government watch lists got illegal, fully automatic rifles...AK-47s which are also completely illegal in france and murdered 140 people...and injured hundreds of others............
So how does your post make any sense at all........
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
I disagree - he would have had to stop, pick up a fresh gun each time, and that could have allowed time for someone to intervene.
Wrong...I have posted a study that looked exactly at that.....it doesn't happen....this was, again...
A packed location with 350 people in it....
It was dark,
the music was loud,
The people were likely intoxicated or high...
And he came in with surprise and determination.....he could have killed just as many people with a bag full of revolvers....
The beat does go on, liberals never change, they always blame others. Carter helped the mulahs take over Iran, the heart of terrorism today. obama is helping them gets nukes, nothing wrong with that! Communism was a real cold war threat and no one could know what Bin Laden was going to do later on. Clinton didn't want to deal with Bin Laden, too hot a potato for him, and the first trade center bombing ...so like all good libs he passed the buck and left it up to a Republican so you dim bulbs can blame the right for everything you fuck up.One of the fun things about being an old man is that one can still remember history that happened in their own lifetime. For example:
Carter decided that America would boycott the Olympics, because the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. He even sent Ali to African Countries to get them to do the same. They laughed at Ali over American hypocrisy, and Ali asked to come home.
Reagan armed the afghans to fight the Soviets.
Bush invaded Afghanistan, who fought back using weapons supplied by Reagan
We occupied Afghanistan for 13 years, and then were amazed to discover that Afghanistan resented that fact.
...and the beat goes on....
As we don't know who is responsible at this point, perhaps we'd better save wild accusations until you know you won't look stupid later if it proves to be some other party.
61?Mohammed is Islam, that's how radicalization happens…Why do the lefties like coyote get pissed at conservatives when Muslims do mass murder? Why not get mad at the Muslim? What is the deal with leftists?
Why do rightwingers like WillowTree get pissed off at Muslims when a Muslim commits mass murder? Why don't they get pissed off at the killer?
Righties say it's not the gun, it's the guy. But if it's a muslim - it's the religion.
TWO predictable things: MUSLIMSSSSS.....GUNNNSSSSSS
Right and left.
What we need to be doing is looking at HOW this guy got radicalized, if that is what happened (articles say he pledged himself to ISIS) - and figure out how something like this can be prevented from happening again.
CRIMES OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD
Muslims are sanctified by the blood of murdered kafirs. If the prophet of Islam, Mohammed, was alive today he would be sitting on death row somewhere waiting for his execution.
What is important to understand is that none of these depraved and criminal acts are seen as crimes to Muslims, except if they are committed by someone else. They are all holy, divine acts that their own prophet indulged in and therefore they have been given the stamp of validation as the moral code to be emulated by all Muslim men. They are all Sunna [The traditional portion of Muslim law based on Muhammad’s words or acts, accepted (together with the Koran) as authoritative by Muslims].
- Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina. Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.
- Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile). Advocated sex with baby girls.
- Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman. Had sex with his dead aunt.
- Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves. Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave. There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror. All such sexual acts are rape. RAPE IS RAPE.
- Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives. Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?
- Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre. Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.
- Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam. Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).
- Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam. Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.
- Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs. Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.
- Owned and sold slaves. Enslaved women and children.
- Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.
- Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.
- Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.
- Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.
- Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women. Required them to cover their faces.
- Married his daughter–in–law.
- Approved prostitution.
- Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.
- Recommended wife beating. Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.
- Murdered prisoners of war. Committed acts of terror.
- Advocated suicide attacks.
- Executed apostates and homosexuals.
- Beat children who didn’t pray. Abolished adoption.
- Honor killings of Muslim women and children.
- Beat alcoholics. Lied.
- Stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.
- Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.
- Tortured a man out of greed.
- Looted and plundered.
- Preached hate for people of other religions.
- Extorted money from other religions
- Forced conversions to Islam
- Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.
You poor, anti American puke. Go hang with your faggot friends and wait to be slaughtered. These are the pukes we protectes afghanistan from. They resented our presence because as long as we were there, they couldnt engage in wholesale slaughter. And you and your faggot progressive friends brought them here to kill us. Told you this would happen. If I were you, I'd stick close to Christian soldiers who pack 24/7.Because otherwise you're marked for death. By muslims and your buddies from south.One of the fun things about being an old man is that one can still remember history that happened in their own lifetime. For example:
Carter decided that America would boycott the Olympics, because the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. He even sent Ali to African Countries to get them to do the same. They laughed at Ali over American hypocrisy, and Ali asked to come home.
Reagan armed the afghans to fight the Soviets.
Bush invaded Afghanistan, who fought back using weapons supplied by Reagan
We occupied Afghanistan for 13 years, and then were amazed to discover that Afghanistan resented that fact.
...and the beat goes on....
Three on US soil in 8 years, one of which was Timothy McVey, so he doesn't really count. Khobar Tower was Hezbollah, so how that is at all related to the 9/11 Al Qaida attack, I have no idea. If you're referring to the Bojinka Plot, it never got anywhere. So, you got 6 attacks, total in 8 years, only three of which actually happened on US soil, of which 2 wsere Al Qaida. Furthermore, the most actionable intelligence that Clinton got from the intelligence comunity was the Al Qaida was going to do something not nice to America, sometime in the future, But Bin Laden should have been Clinton's highest priority. Meanwhile, Bush, who got multiple reports that an Al, Qaida attack was "imminent", and the the US should strengthen its security - which he ignored - should get a pass on the attack that was on his watch, and we should blamed Clinton for that.Really? You wanna go down that rabbit hole? How about because Regan armed, and trained Bin Laden, and his terrorists.9/11....3,000 dead Americans and Foreigners...ring a bell?
Yes, it was under W's watch.
Because Clinton didn't act...
So, how far back you wanna take this?
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Clinton had attack after attack on this country and did nothing asswipe....the Kobar Towers, the first World trade center bombing, the attack on the Cole....and couldn't be bothered with it because it would have distracted him and his wife from selling the lincoln bedroom....
But, I'm the asswipe. Feel free to piss up a rope with your partisan bullshit.
But they wouldn't if he was changing mags?he would have had to stop, pick up a fresh gun each time, and that could have allowed time for someone to intervene.
The killer carried an assault rifle and a pistol, making it as easy as shooting fish in a barrel and accumulate huge numbers of murdered victims.
Maybe one should ask - WHY does a person need an assault rifle? WHY should he have been able to get it? Same thing with the San Diego shooters - they had an arsonal and bullet proof armor. We need to look at extremist ideology yes, but we also need to look at the factors that help to create such a huge death toll.
He entered a confined space, packed with 350 people, in the dark, with loud music and strobe lights....and most of them were in some form of intoxication and some under the influence of drugs....
and they were all in a gun free zone......so your gun control laws actually worked, not one innocent gay person in that dance club had a gun.....
those are the real factors, not the rifle....
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
there are 3,750,000 AR-15s in private hands......
one was used illegally to commit the illegal act of murder....
that means that 3,749,999 AR-15s in private hands were not used for any form of crime.....
Do you understand what those numbers mean?
Law abiding Americans use the AR-15 rifle and others like it for self defense, hunting, competition and collecting and never use them for anything else.....
your logic is that banning 3,749,999 AR-15s that were not used to commit murder would stop the one guy from committing murder with one rifle.....
While the AR-15 and actual fully automatic rifles are completely illegal in France...they have 0 AR-15s in France.......let me repeat...they have 0 AR-15s in France....and islamic terrorists on government watch lists got illegal, fully automatic rifles...AK-47s which are also completely illegal in france and murdered 140 people...and injured hundreds of others............
So how does your post make any sense at all........
The rifle had nothing to do with the body count...he could have used a gym bag full of revlovers and gotten the same result....
I disagree - he would have had to stop, pick up a fresh gun each time, and that could have allowed time for someone to intervene.
Wrong...I have posted a study that looked exactly at that.....it doesn't happen....this was, again...
A packed location with 350 people in it....
It was dark,
the music was loud,
The people were likely intoxicated or high...
And he came in with surprise and determination.....he could have killed just as many people with a bag full of revolvers....
Ya, you could right...point taken
OK, show us where Adam Lanza was a conservative?A Progressive socialist, the hate we saw acted out on a bunch a little kids...Right wingers are radical Muslims in your area?He was a progressive left-a-tard.... Dumbass
No Dorkface. He was a rightwing gun nut with a right wing gun nut mother enabling him. Geez, you guys can't even own your own?
We were referring to SANDY HOOK. Sheesh, can't you guys follow a conversation?
Clutching at straws here.
