For Tesla Owner, Losing a Wheel Was Just the First Surprise

[Yousaidwhat]

Without billions of government grants and credits Tesla wouldn't exist

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

Tesla pays people that spend monies and pay taxes. Tesla pays taxes. The cars that they manufacture are licensed which provide States tax revenue. Sounds like a great investment!

I'm sure it is a great investment.

They were supported by these grants as start up capital.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Why?

Why?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

 

[Yousaidwhat]

I'm sure it is a great investment.

They were supported by these grants as start up capital.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

As ALREADY explained. Tesla has repaid all Federal grants, with interest, nine years early.

OK. Fine. Then they should support themselves and stop getting taxpayer funding.

 

[OnePercenter]

Without billions of government grants and credits Tesla wouldn't exist

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

Tesla pays people that spend monies and pay taxes. Tesla pays taxes. The cars that they manufacture are licensed which provide States tax revenue. Sounds like a great investment!

I'm sure it is a great investment.

They were supported by these grants as start up capital.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Why?

Why?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

If you have an endeavor that creates as many jobs as Tesla, you too can receive monetary help.

 

[Iceweasel]

The investment is for a battery plant and Nevada isn't the federal government. The feds invested heavily in Tesla, what did I claim that isn't true?

Tesla wasn't a product of market demand, government subsidized it and still does, for a reason. You stupid retard. No wonder you had to make a sock puppet to get people to talk to you.

You are getting angry and profane, I probably would too if I made myself look so silly.

Moving on - so we at this point have squarely put away the righwinger claim about Tesla receiving 5 billion dollars in government subsidy. Is there some other actual number you could source or should we just take your bias word for it?

You're full of shit. You can't back up your idiotic claims so you lie some more. I asked you what I said that was wrong, when did I say Tesla got 5 billion in subsidies? It's a simple challenge, deflecting and lying about me won't work. Nor will it cover up the original point you argued, that Tesla is not a product of market demand, government made it one for us and continues to sweeten the deal, with our money.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Elon Musk, the Tesla and the fine art of the taxpayer subsidy

Elon Musk, the Tesla and the fine art of the taxpayer subsidy

Tesla Is Hemorrhaging Money Despite Billions In Gov’t Subsidies

 

[Iceweasel]

GM still hasn't payed us back but if a company needs public money something is being pushed ahead of market demand.

To righties that seems like sacrilege in itself, to everyone else it isn't.

Are we really not better off for having a demand bending company like Tesla? And lets not forget where other funding for Tesla came from - the internet, another "ahead of demand" tech that our government helped to cradle.

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

What do you mean 'no real demand', there is an eight month waiting list for Tesla's.

It's the best car I've ever owned, and I've owned some expensive cars.

You don't have to be rich to own one.

I've 'smoked' a Charger HellCat on the track.

Your ignorance is bothersome.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it..

I didn't write I was bothered, I wrote your ignorance is bothersome.

A. I'm 58
B. I have two Tesla model S
C. I received an investor discount.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

 

[Iceweasel]

Without infrastructure, businesses wouldn't exist.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

The government paid to build the roads using taxpayer funds.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist who profits from government funding.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

 

[OnePercenter]

To righties that seems like sacrilege in itself, to everyone else it isn't.

Are we really not better off for having a demand bending company like Tesla? And lets not forget where other funding for Tesla came from - the internet, another "ahead of demand" tech that our government helped to cradle.

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

What do you mean 'no real demand', there is an eight month waiting list for Tesla's.

It's the best car I've ever owned, and I've owned some expensive cars.

You don't have to be rich to own one.

I've 'smoked' a Charger HellCat on the track.

Your ignorance is bothersome.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it..

I didn't write I was bothered, I wrote your ignorance is bothersome.

A. I'm 58
B. I have two Tesla model S
C. I received an investor discount.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

All you have is bloviating?

 

[OnePercenter]

Without infrastructure, businesses wouldn't exist.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

The government paid to build the roads using taxpayer funds.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist who profits from government funding.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

How does government profit from our funding?

 

[Yousaidwhat]

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

Tesla pays people that spend monies and pay taxes. Tesla pays taxes. The cars that they manufacture are licensed which provide States tax revenue. Sounds like a great investment!

I'm sure it is a great investment.

They were supported by these grants as start up capital.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Why?

Why?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

If you have an endeavor that creates as many jobs as Tesla, you too can receive monetary help.

Many would say that this is not a function of the government.

 

[OnePercenter]

And the spigot should be turned off and let Tesla support their own endeavor.

Tesla pays people that spend monies and pay taxes. Tesla pays taxes. The cars that they manufacture are licensed which provide States tax revenue. Sounds like a great investment!

I'm sure it is a great investment.

They were supported by these grants as start up capital.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Now it is time to remove the training wheels and let them ride on their own.

Why?

Why?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

Because I have to support my own endeavors. Why shouldn't they?

If you have an endeavor that creates as many jobs as Tesla, you too can receive monetary help.

Many would say that this is not a function of the government.

Many would say that this is not a function of the government.

The 'many' ignorant masses.

 

[Mr Natural]

On a dirt road?

It's not a pickup truck, you idiot.

 

[Iceweasel]

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

What do you mean 'no real demand', there is an eight month waiting list for Tesla's.

It's the best car I've ever owned, and I've owned some expensive cars.

You don't have to be rich to own one.

I've 'smoked' a Charger HellCat on the track.

Your ignorance is bothersome.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it..

I didn't write I was bothered, I wrote your ignorance is bothersome.

A. I'm 58
B. I have two Tesla model S
C. I received an investor discount.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

All you have is bloviating?

Not at all. You can't refute a damn thing I said. Thanks!

 

[Iceweasel]

Without infrastructure, businesses wouldn't exist.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

The government paid to build the roads using taxpayer funds.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist who profits from government funding.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

How does government profit from our funding?

By feeding itself. Growing, creating more "need" for itself, buying buildings, hiring more bodies, easy jobs, great pay, even better benefits, health care, you name it. They are raping the taxpayer to live the good life.

 

[AntonToo]

OK. Fine. Then they should support themselves and stop getting taxpayer funding.

Which funding are you talking about? Iceweasel can't seem to answer that question in some sort of coherent way. Maybe you can.

The deal Tesla got from Nevada for choosing their state to build their batteries plant in?

 

[Iceweasel]

OK. Fine. Then they should support themselves and stop getting taxpayer funding.

Which funding are you talking about? Iceweasel can't seem to answer that question in some sort of coherent way. Maybe you can.

The deal Tesla got from Nevada for choosing their state to build their batteries plant in?

Learn how to quote, genius. He didn't say that.

The words are still there, you talked smack and couldn't back it up. Thinking you can get away with it makes you a world class dumbfuck. But yes, Nevadans pay taxes too.

 

[OnePercenter]

There is no real demand for the Tesla. Lefties talk shit, it's all they have. They do sell some, but only because the cost is heavily subsidized by the government. Now some uber rich Hollywood type or CEO might own one and pay the actual price but that's about it. Seems to me like the internet became what it is by private hands, not government. They may have sparked the invention but the private sector took the ball and ran with it.

But you could understand the point I made with you head buried so deep in it's safe space. I said if a company needs public money it's being pushed ahead of market demand. Get some air, try again.

What do you mean 'no real demand', there is an eight month waiting list for Tesla's.

It's the best car I've ever owned, and I've owned some expensive cars.

You don't have to be rich to own one.

I've 'smoked' a Charger HellCat on the track.

Your ignorance is bothersome.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it..

I didn't write I was bothered, I wrote your ignorance is bothersome.

A. I'm 58
B. I have two Tesla model S
C. I received an investor discount.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

All you have is bloviating?

Not at all. You can't refute a damn thing I said. Thanks!

Not at all. You can't refute a damn thing I said. Thanks!

You didn't write anything.

 

[Iceweasel]

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it.

Good, be bothered. You come here and pretend all kinds of things that are obviously not true. Now we are supposed to believe
A: You're old enough to drive.
B: You have Tesla.
C: You payed the actual full price for it..

I didn't write I was bothered, I wrote your ignorance is bothersome.

A. I'm 58
B. I have two Tesla model S
C. I received an investor discount.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

A: I didn't ask what your IQ was.
B: I wasn't talking about toy models.
C: Everyone that buys a Tesla gets an "investor" discount, thanks to the tax payer.

All you have is bloviating?

Not at all. You can't refute a damn thing I said. Thanks!

Not at all. You can't refute a damn thing I said. Thanks!

You didn't write anything.

Let us know when you feel you've refuted anything.

 

[OnePercenter]

Without infrastructure, businesses wouldn't exist.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

The government paid to build the roads using taxpayer funds.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist who profits from government funding.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

How does government profit from our funding?

By feeding itself. Growing, creating more "need" for itself, buying buildings, hiring more bodies, easy jobs, great pay, even better benefits, health care, you name it. They are raping the taxpayer to live the good life.

By feeding itself. Growing, creating more "need" for itself, buying buildings, hiring more bodies, easy jobs, great pay, even better benefits, health care, you name it. They are raping the taxpayer to live the good life.

If a taxpayer pay taxes and receives tax based services, how are they being raped?

 

[Iceweasel]

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

Which is another example you know nothing. People are taxed in various ways to pay for the roads, government didn't create roads. You are a socialist dipstick pretending to be a capitalist and you fail every time you post.

The government paid to build the roads using taxpayer funds.

I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist who profits from government funding.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

Government profits from our funding. You left that part out. Government spending = taxpayer spending.

How does government profit from our funding?

By feeding itself. Growing, creating more "need" for itself, buying buildings, hiring more bodies, easy jobs, great pay, even better benefits, health care, you name it. They are raping the taxpayer to live the good life.

By feeding itself. Growing, creating more "need" for itself, buying buildings, hiring more bodies, easy jobs, great pay, even better benefits, health care, you name it. They are raping the taxpayer to live the good life.

If a taxpayer pay taxes and receives tax based services, how are they being raped?

You're a fucking retard. I doubt you even own a car.