For the last time, I'm gonna try to educate the left on GUNS; Can't take ignorance any longer.

[P@triot]

But I know you conspiracy whacks love your meaningless internet searches so wail away turd blossom.

Vintage liberalism right there. Research and facts are "meaningless". Brainwashed ideology is everything.

 

[GaryDog]

 

[IsaacNewton]

An average .45 caliber round has a muzzle velocity around 900ft/sec.
An average .223 caliber round used in an AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 3200ft/sec.

The energy contained in a .223 round is far greater than that of a .45. Ask any doctor and they'll tell you it is the energy in the projectile that greatly ups the damage done to human tissue. Add to this the rounds for the AR-15 and M-16 are designed to tumble on impact, causing far greater tissue damage as well.

This weapon and this round were not designed for hunting deer. What deer hunter uses a weapon that causes maximum tissue damage. They were designed specifically for warfare. Any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense.

Well, not to be disagreeable here, but last November, I took a deer with a 5.56 and have done it at least twice before then. I happened to have the AR with me in the mountains (rather than my 30.06). It's not always the round. It's the placement of that round in the necessary spot.

Ponderous.

Just for future reference. The experience YOU have in the woods near YOU doesn't then translate to everyone else. Even if it feels like it does, it doesn't. "No one would use a spatula to kill a rat". "Oh I beg to differ, I was cooking the other night and a rat ran past me and I instinctively used the spatula to kill the rat". PONDEROUS and has no value in the conversation.

"There are no parachuting cats". "Oh I beg to differ..."




Ponderous. One or two anecdotes are meaningless.

Well, sir, you made the claim that "any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense".

I would suggest that it is you being "ponderous".

So when you read you selectively leave out anything that doesn't fit your view.

The weapon was specifically designed for warfare. Any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense.

See.

Typical liberal lies.... You don't know a damn thing about weapons. Stop acting like you do. You know about mooching off of society and sexual deviance. Stick to those things.

Go cash your welfare check Chubby. Your government cheese is waiting for you. You don't know anything about weapons, or ammunition, or ballistics. Stay in the shallow end of the pool with the rest of the kiddies where it's safe.

 

[P@triot]

Thank you for illustrating how failed liberal policy of disarming the American people has resulted in catastrophic effects for the American people.

 

[GaryDog]

Thank you for illustrating how failed liberal policy of disarming the American people has resulted in catastrophic effects for the American people.

Is that's what has been happening?

Just kidding, not a real question. I know you're a liar.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Well, not to be disagreeable here, but last November, I took a deer with a 5.56 and have done it at least twice before then. I happened to have the AR with me in the mountains (rather than my 30.06). It's not always the round. It's the placement of that round in the necessary spot.

Ponderous.

Just for future reference. The experience YOU have in the woods near YOU doesn't then translate to everyone else. Even if it feels like it does, it doesn't. "No one would use a spatula to kill a rat". "Oh I beg to differ, I was cooking the other night and a rat ran past me and I instinctively used the spatula to kill the rat". PONDEROUS and has no value in the conversation.

"There are no parachuting cats". "Oh I beg to differ..."




Ponderous. One or two anecdotes are meaningless.

Well, sir, you made the claim that "any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense".

I would suggest that it is you being "ponderous".

So when you read you selectively leave out anything that doesn't fit your view.

The weapon was specifically designed for warfare. Any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense.

See.

Typical liberal lies.... You don't know a damn thing about weapons. Stop acting like you do. You know about mooching off of society and sexual deviance. Stick to those things.

Go cash your welfare check Chubby. Your government cheese is waiting for you. You don't know anything about weapons, or ammunition, or ballistics. Stay in the shallow end of the pool with the rest of the kiddies where it's safe.

This argument is over. You've been shown to be a fool.

 

[P@triot]

Well, not to be disagreeable here, but last November, I took a deer with a 5.56 and have done it at least twice before then. I happened to have the AR with me in the mountains (rather than my 30.06). It's not always the round. It's the placement of that round in the necessary spot.

Ponderous.

Just for future reference. The experience YOU have in the woods near YOU doesn't then translate to everyone else. Even if it feels like it does, it doesn't. "No one would use a spatula to kill a rat". "Oh I beg to differ, I was cooking the other night and a rat ran past me and I instinctively used the spatula to kill the rat". PONDEROUS and has no value in the conversation.

"There are no parachuting cats". "Oh I beg to differ..."




Ponderous. One or two anecdotes are meaningless.

Well, sir, you made the claim that "any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense".

I would suggest that it is you being "ponderous".

So when you read you selectively leave out anything that doesn't fit your view.

The weapon was specifically designed for warfare. Any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense.

See.

Typical liberal lies.... You don't know a damn thing about weapons. Stop acting like you do. You know about mooching off of society and sexual deviance. Stick to those things.

Go cash your welfare check Chubby. Your government cheese is waiting for you. You don't know anything about weapons, or ammunition, or ballistics. Stay in the shallow end of the pool with the rest of the kiddies where it's safe.

Uh-oh....someone is upset. Clearly I struck a nerve. You just repeated my own words back to me because you can't even think for yourself. Those hours of surfing gay porn and drugs have clearly turned your tiny brain into mush.

 

[Divine Wind]

A 223 bullet for an M-16 or AR-15 are smaller for two reasons.
1. The ability to carry more ammo into combat.
2. Long range hiking means less weight..
The bullet when fired, hits the target and rolls through the body, causing more damage..

An average .45 caliber round has a muzzle velocity around 900ft/sec.
An average .223 caliber round used in an AR-15 has a muzzle velocity of 3200ft/sec.

The energy contained in a .223 round is far greater than that of a .45. Ask any doctor and they'll tell you it is the energy in the projectile that greatly ups the damage done to human tissue. Add to this the rounds for the AR-15 and M-16 are designed to tumble on impact, causing far greater tissue damage as well.

This weapon and this round were not designed for hunting deer. What deer hunter uses a weapon that causes maximum tissue damage. They were designed specifically for warfare. Any claim to the contrary is ignorant nonsense.

Well, not to be disagreeable here, but last November, I took a deer with a 5.56 and have done it at least twice before then. I happened to have the AR with me in the mountains (rather than my 30.06). It's not always the round. It's the placement of that round in the necessary spot.

While I agree placement trumps caliber (e.g., a .22 in the eye vs. a .45 to the foot) many states ban the .223 from deer hunting for good reason; insufficient stopping power. Also, since leaves and small branches can easily deflect the bullet, it's possible to only wound an animal by accidental misplacement of a bullet where a heavier round wouldn't.

This is great article on the subject despite being about hogs, not deer: Grown-Up Hog Loads

 

[Divine Wind]

I stomped your guts messeur buttwind, and now you attempt a feign. I presented the facts, you can try to spin them any way you like but you can't refute them. Sorry Cubby.

But I know you conspiracy whacks love your meaningless internet searches so wail away turd blossom.

LOL. I post factual content, you post insults and drama. Isaac Newton should rightfully be ashamed.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Moron journalist Tom Brokaw called for a ban on the "AR-14" today. MSNBC morons said 2nd amendment covers guns...not "weapons of war". I can't take it anymore. My final attempt to educate them.

Guns: An AR-15 shoots a TINY bullet...a .223. That bullet is HALF THE size of a standard cops pistol bullet...a .45. Plus....pistols have big hollow point bullets...far deadlier. In fact...so deadly...they aren't allowed in war. That's right....the hollow point pistol bullet is banned from wars by the 1899 Hague Convention treaty. The .223 bullet an AR shoots? Army and Marine troops complain that they aren't deadly enough in war. They created the 6.8 round to try to fix it....which the standard AR-15 doesn't shoot.

Guns: 30 round magazines for a .223 AR??? GUESS WHAT??? They make 30 round mags for Glocks...that shoot the far larger and far deadlier hollow point bullets. AR15s are almost all semi auto...not full auto. Almost none are full auto.

**A side note: A gunman with a rifle is also FAR EASIER to disarm than one with a pistol. Imagine trying to pry away a broom from a guy vs prying away a fork. The larger gun is by far easier to grab...control...and wrestle away.


2nd Amendment: Libs are now saying the Founders meant muskets....not "Weapons of War". Hey idiots....in 1776....muskets WERE WEAPONS OF WAR

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Thanks for you post Bucs, it's all true.

BUT, you are making the mistake of thinking the left are sincere or reasonable; they are neither. The left are at war with civil rights. They don't care about facts or reality, they want to end the Bill of Rights. All the talk about this or that ban is just blowing smoke, they want the Bill of Rights gone, and will do or say ANYTHING to achieve their goal.

 

[Divine Wind]

Over 200,000 were suicides. Banning guns doesn't cure depression nor mental illness.

About 100,000 of the remaining 200,000 were blacks killing blacks. In a nation where blacks only constitute 13.2% of the population, that reveals a shocking problem. Banning guns doesn't cure gang violence or a culture of that loves "gangstas".

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Guess it's a more advanced society and people.

Nothing that you of the left hate more than liberty.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A 223 bullet for an M-16 or AR-15 are smaller for two reasons.
1. The ability to carry more ammo into combat.
2. Long range hiking means less weight..
The bullet when fired, hits the target and rolls through the body, causing more damage..

You just make shit up with absolutely not regard for fact.

Fucking leftists - not a hint of integrity in any of you.

 

[bucs90]

Moron journalist Tom Brokaw called for a ban on the "AR-14" today. MSNBC morons said 2nd amendment covers guns...not "weapons of war". I can't take it anymore. My final attempt to educate them.

Guns: An AR-15 shoots a TINY bullet...a .223. That bullet is HALF THE size of a standard cops pistol bullet...a .45. Plus....pistols have big hollow point bullets...far deadlier. In fact...so deadly...they aren't allowed in war. That's right....the hollow point pistol bullet is banned from wars by the 1899 Hague Convention treaty. The .223 bullet an AR shoots? Army and Marine troops complain that they aren't deadly enough in war. They created the 6.8 round to try to fix it....which the standard AR-15 doesn't shoot.

Guns: 30 round magazines for a .223 AR??? GUESS WHAT??? They make 30 round mags for Glocks...that shoot the far larger and far deadlier hollow point bullets. AR15s are almost all semi auto...not full auto. Almost none are full auto.

**A side note: A gunman with a rifle is also FAR EASIER to disarm than one with a pistol. Imagine trying to pry away a broom from a guy vs prying away a fork. The larger gun is by far easier to grab...control...and wrestle away.


2nd Amendment: Libs are now saying the Founders meant muskets....not "Weapons of War". Hey idiots....in 1776....muskets WERE WEAPONS OF WAR

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Thanks for you post Bucs, it's all true.

BUT, you are making the mistake of thinking the left are sincere or reasonable; they are neither. The left are at war with civil rights. They don't care about facts or reality, they want wand to end the Bill of Rights. All the talk about this or that ban is just blowing smoke, they want the Bill of Rights gone, and will do or say ANYTHING to achieve their goal.

Thanks. I hate that I have to waste the time of all you all who actually know something about firearms.

But I just can't listen to leftists talking about guns anymore with their ignorance being so incredibly evident.

 

[kaz]

Get rid of all assault style weapons. Pretty simple concept really.
Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

You can't fly to Mexico City and walk into Australia carrying as many guns as you want as you insist we allow here

You can't walk into Australia you idiot

That's the point, you idiot

 

[Uncensored2008]

The gun nuts have decided that the background check loopholes are the most important element of gun rights in this country.

Why is that?

There is no loophole, you're just lying.

The ONLY time a background check is not needed is when a PRIVATE individual sells a single weapon the he/she owns, to another private individual.

You know this, yet chose to lie.

Fucking leftists, not so much as a shred of integrity in any of you.

 

[bucs90]

MOONGLOW said a .223 "rolls through the body and does more damage". WRONG.

Here's a .223 hitting gel vs a .45 hollow point hitting gel. Damage isn't even close to comparable.

 

[Chuz Life]

I don't give a fuck if you label an AR-15 your personal dildo.....it is STILL a very, very lethal weapon that should not be in the hands of everybody....including the terrorists that YOU ARE AIDING in getting those guns readily

Makes you wonder why millions of AR15s have been sold? Not very lethal, aren't for assault purposes, much better guns out there to kill with.

So why do the gun nutters buy so many of them a person might ask.

Must be millions of varmit hunters out there. I am surprised there are any varmints left.

So it must be that the gun nutters love the AR cause it's scary looking. You can dress it up in all the finery a real assault rifle would have and prance around in the woods and play army with a scary looking weapon.

Is that the reason nutters love the AR15?

Though that little .223 round killed effectively in the night club.

All of the above. It's the "cool" gun. Like a Corvette. It's the video game gun. It is the most despised gun of liberals. All sorts of reasons it's so popular.

It's use by special forces make it popular. But one must know WHY they adapted to it instead of the MP5. And that was the 9mm MP5 was not as effective at taking down airfields....due to huge long runways and open space.

Inside a building at closer ranges??? MANY guns are better than an AR15. The MP5. A .45 cal pistol. My personal favorite is the .40 cal UMP sub gun. I won't go into all of them. But an AR15 inside a building isn't close to the best choice but many fall for the "cool gun" nonsense and want one. Many SWAT teams are guilty of this too.

Another reason for why the AR-15 is so popular is it is the civilian version of the weapon that virtually every military member carried for their entire time in service (M-16.) As a result, Military vets especially are infinitely more familiar with the functions, capabilities and limitations of the AR-15 than they are with any other weapon of choice.

As a Marine Corps Veteran myself, I can attest that a military soldier's interest in defending our country and our Constitutional principles does not end when we receive our discharge papers.

Beyond that, the AR-15 is one of the most fun guns on the range of all. I have found that women especially love the AR's. That's largely because there is virtually no recoil. Aiming is pretty simple (especially at 100 yds.) and the AR's are very lightweight and easy to put on target compared to most other long guns (especially shotguns.)

As far as the AR-15 being deadly? I can name a shit ton of other guns and other things that would have killed far more than the ISIS wannabe with his AR-15 did in Orlando. However, I see no value in educating the masses on how to achieve an even higher dead count than what he did.

Couldnt agree more. I own both the AR15 and the AR10 (as well as the M14) platform because they are just plain fun to shoot. Not to mention the fact that the M16 and the .45 saved my life on several occasions.

Unfortunately, you'll never convince those who a. Never had the guts to serve and b. Those folks that truly believe that a "disarmed" society is a safe society.

I know what my rights are, I know what the Constitution says and I know what my capabilities are. So, I really don't fear anything from the left. Not even a total ban on the AR-15 would change anything where gun crimes are concerned and it's clear to me that the leftardz already know that. They are simply posturing because they sincerely do wish that the right (their political enemies) in this country were as un-armed and defenseless as they are.

 

[DoggieDaddy]

Get rid of all assault style weapons. Pretty simple concept really.
Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

So tell me which one of these is an "assault style" rifle

Is it Rifle A

Or Rifle B

Let me communicate on this: I shot that M-1 Carbine in the service...I tried to get one in Nam...that Carbine was a slick little doer though.

 

[bucs90]

The gun nuts have decided that the background check loopholes are the most important element of gun rights in this country.

Why is that?

There is no loophole, you're just lying.

The ONLY time a background check is not needed is when a PRIVATE individual sells a single weapon the he/she owns, to another private individual.

You know this, yet chose to lie.

Fucking leftists, not so much as a shred of integrity in any of you.

They also don't admit that this "loop hole" takes place 99% of the time in the urban ghettos where black market gun sales happen dozens of times a day. More black market gun sales occur in a Chicago weekend than every Illinois gun show on any given weekend.