Fox "News" Advances Lie About DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program

[Truthseeker420]

As the mouthpiece for persecuted right wing Christians, it isn't surprising that Fox News would pick up on the latest "outrage" in the Christian right. Picking up on a story that Fox's resident perpetually outraged Christian Todd Starnes broke two weeks ago, and which is all the rage in the right wing Christian whineosphere, Shannon Bream, hosting today's America Live, reported on - wait for it - "growing outrage" - about how the Department of Justice is pulling funds from a Louisiana chapter of the "Young Marines" because of "voluntary, student led prayer." It was classic Fox agitprop. The plight of persecuted young, patriotic was Christians was used to slam the Dept of Justice (not a favorite of Fox News and its right wing audience) and the Obama administration was accused of trying to eradicate religion. Oh, and the funds weren't, as reported by Bream, "pulled" by the DOJ. But who cares about facts when you've got propaganda to push!

Read more at Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

Does Fox Noise have any credibility with rational people?

 

[daveman]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

According to reports, the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) stripped $30,000 in allotted DOJ funding from the Bossier Parish’s Young Marines unit, which is a character-building program designed to encourage healthy lifestyles for members. An official for the DOJ told reporters that the cuts were due to voluntary student-led prayers and a mention of “church” in a Young Marine oath.

“[DOJ regulations prohibit] funding on inherently religious activities, such as prayer, religious instruction and proselytization,” he told columnist Todd Starnes. “And any religious activities must be kept separate in time or location from DOJ-funded activities.”

Julian Whittington, sheriff of Bossier Parish and a coordinator of the Young Marines program, is thoroughly disgusted by the DOJ and LCLE’s decision, saying it was “aggression and infringement of our religious freedoms.” After the funds were cut, DOJ officials told Whittington he would have to write a letter, promising not to pray or use the word “God” in Young Marines meetings, or else the money would never be restored.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I'm sure they will be capable of raising the money from private sources now that the story is out.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

According to reports, the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) stripped $30,000 in allotted DOJ funding from the Bossier Parish’s Young Marines unit, which is a character-building program designed to encourage healthy lifestyles for members. An official for the DOJ told reporters that the cuts were due to voluntary student-led prayers and a mention of “church” in a Young Marine oath.

“[DOJ regulations prohibit] funding on inherently religious activities, such as prayer, religious instruction and proselytization,” he told columnist Todd Starnes. “And any religious activities must be kept separate in time or location from DOJ-funded activities.”

Julian Whittington, sheriff of Bossier Parish and a coordinator of the Young Marines program, is thoroughly disgusted by the DOJ and LCLE’s decision, saying it was “aggression and infringement of our religious freedoms.” After the funds were cut, DOJ officials told Whittington he would have to write a letter, promising not to pray or use the word “God” in Young Marines meetings, or else the money would never be restored.

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

 

[daveman]

I'm sure they will be capable of raising the money from private sources now that the story is out.

Yup.

Despite the funding controversy, Bossier Parrish’s Young Marines unit appears to be going strong, receiving an outpouring of financial support in response to the ordeal, according to the Shreveport Times.​

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

According to reports, the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) stripped $30,000 in allotted DOJ funding from the Bossier Parish’s Young Marines unit, which is a character-building program designed to encourage healthy lifestyles for members. An official for the DOJ told reporters that the cuts were due to voluntary student-led prayers and a mention of “church” in a Young Marine oath.

“[DOJ regulations prohibit] funding on inherently religious activities, such as prayer, religious instruction and proselytization,” he told columnist Todd Starnes. “And any religious activities must be kept separate in time or location from DOJ-funded activities.”

Julian Whittington, sheriff of Bossier Parish and a coordinator of the Young Marines program, is thoroughly disgusted by the DOJ and LCLE’s decision, saying it was “aggression and infringement of our religious freedoms.” After the funds were cut, DOJ officials told Whittington he would have to write a letter, promising not to pray or use the word “God” in Young Marines meetings, or else the money would never be restored.

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

Where is your proof? The author of your blog never proved that the funds weren't pulled. He simply said they weren't.

Why do you automatically assume that daveman's source is the lie and your source isn't? Did you actually try doing a little research on the Internet from other sources or did you just run with this because it fits your bias and anti-religious agenda?

 

[Truthseeker420]

Dupree, as a former member of the DOJ should know that "the Federal Regulations are clear in that any group that gets money from the DOJ must have all religious activities be both voluntary and separate." But Bream's biggest lie was that the DOJ pulled the funds. According to records, they didn't. Bossier Parish withdrew its application rather than comply with the DOJ request.

Read more at Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds.

 

[daveman]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

According to reports, the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) stripped $30,000 in allotted DOJ funding from the Bossier Parish’s Young Marines unit, which is a character-building program designed to encourage healthy lifestyles for members. An official for the DOJ told reporters that the cuts were due to voluntary student-led prayers and a mention of “church” in a Young Marine oath.

“[DOJ regulations prohibit] funding on inherently religious activities, such as prayer, religious instruction and proselytization,” he told columnist Todd Starnes. “And any religious activities must be kept separate in time or location from DOJ-funded activities.”

Julian Whittington, sheriff of Bossier Parish and a coordinator of the Young Marines program, is thoroughly disgusted by the DOJ and LCLE’s decision, saying it was “aggression and infringement of our religious freedoms.” After the funds were cut, DOJ officials told Whittington he would have to write a letter, promising not to pray or use the word “God” in Young Marines meetings, or else the money would never be restored.

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

You've presented no proof that Fox's claim is a lie. NOTE: Screeching "Nuh-UH!!" is NOT proof.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

According to records requested by KTBS, the grant money for the Young Marines program was received by Bossier Parish for a decade ranging from 2002-2012. In 2012, the Department of Justice audited the Young Marine program and the wrap up letter from that visit expressed concerns about Young Marines being boot camp based and that research showed its ineffectiveness. In the course of providing brochures and information about the Young Marines program, the DOJ office of Civil Rights noticed the mention of God in the Young Marines program. While at first the DOJ seemed to say that this aspect of the program was not a problem, reviewers then requested assurances that the Young Marines program does not violate Federal Regulations requiring religious activities to be voluntary and separate from DOJ funded programs.

The responses from Bossier Parish attempted to assure the government that their activities were not in violation of Federal Regulation continued to prompt follow up questions from the feds, all passed on through Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) to Bossier.

In 2013, Bossier Parish applied for another grant from LCLE. In a response letter to Bossier Parish, LCLE asked Bossier to "please remove the reference to ‘love of God'" from their grant application for 2013 and also to remember that the Office of Civil Rights recommends that prayer be separate and voluntary from the program.

The Federal Attorney for the Office of Civil Rights said that the new 2013 grant request cannot be issued until a letter from the sheriff's office confirms that "any prayer, even if voluntary, needs to be separate in time or location" and states that the previous Young Marines program grants "contained impermissible use of DOJ funding on prayer." According to records, the DOJ never pulled its funding for the Bossier Parish programs.​

...unless you'd like to claim that KTBS, Bossier Parrish, and the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement are all in on this lie, it looks like Fox News was indeed correct, and your moonbat link is crap.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

You've presented no proof that Fox's claim is a lie. NOTE: Screeching "Nuh-UH!!" is NOT proof.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

According to records requested by KTBS, the grant money for the Young Marines program was received by Bossier Parish for a decade ranging from 2002-2012. In 2012, the Department of Justice audited the Young Marine program and the wrap up letter from that visit expressed concerns about Young Marines being boot camp based and that research showed its ineffectiveness. In the course of providing brochures and information about the Young Marines program, the DOJ office of Civil Rights noticed the mention of God in the Young Marines program. While at first the DOJ seemed to say that this aspect of the program was not a problem, reviewers then requested assurances that the Young Marines program does not violate Federal Regulations requiring religious activities to be voluntary and separate from DOJ funded programs.

The responses from Bossier Parish attempted to assure the government that their activities were not in violation of Federal Regulation continued to prompt follow up questions from the feds, all passed on through Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) to Bossier.

In 2013, Bossier Parish applied for another grant from LCLE. In a response letter to Bossier Parish, LCLE asked Bossier to "please remove the reference to ‘love of God'" from their grant application for 2013 and also to remember that the Office of Civil Rights recommends that prayer be separate and voluntary from the program.

The Federal Attorney for the Office of Civil Rights said that the new 2013 grant request cannot be issued until a letter from the sheriff's office confirms that "any prayer, even if voluntary, needs to be separate in time or location" and states that the previous Young Marines program grants "contained impermissible use of DOJ funding on prayer." According to records, the DOJ never pulled its funding for the Bossier Parish programs.​

...unless you'd like to claim that KTBS, Bossier Parrish, and the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement are all in on this lie, it looks like Fox News was indeed correct, and your moonbat link is crap.

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds

Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

 

[Truthseeker420]

Reality disagrees with you.

Louisiana Young Marines Program Loses Federal Funding Over ?Religious Activities? | Christian News Network

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

You've presented no proof that Fox's claim is a lie. NOTE: Screeching "Nuh-UH!!" is NOT proof.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

According to records requested by KTBS, the grant money for the Young Marines program was received by Bossier Parish for a decade ranging from 2002-2012. In 2012, the Department of Justice audited the Young Marine program and the wrap up letter from that visit expressed concerns about Young Marines being boot camp based and that research showed its ineffectiveness. In the course of providing brochures and information about the Young Marines program, the DOJ office of Civil Rights noticed the mention of God in the Young Marines program. While at first the DOJ seemed to say that this aspect of the program was not a problem, reviewers then requested assurances that the Young Marines program does not violate Federal Regulations requiring religious activities to be voluntary and separate from DOJ funded programs.

The responses from Bossier Parish attempted to assure the government that their activities were not in violation of Federal Regulation continued to prompt follow up questions from the feds, all passed on through Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) to Bossier.

In 2013, Bossier Parish applied for another grant from LCLE. In a response letter to Bossier Parish, LCLE asked Bossier to "please remove the reference to ‘love of God'" from their grant application for 2013 and also to remember that the Office of Civil Rights recommends that prayer be separate and voluntary from the program.

The Federal Attorney for the Office of Civil Rights said that the new 2013 grant request cannot be issued until a letter from the sheriff's office confirms that "any prayer, even if voluntary, needs to be separate in time or location" and states that the previous Young Marines program grants "contained impermissible use of DOJ funding on prayer." According to records, the DOJ never pulled its funding for the Bossier Parish programs.​

...unless you'd like to claim that KTBS, Bossier Parrish, and the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement are all in on this lie, it looks like Fox News was indeed correct, and your moonbat link is crap.

Bossier Parish Sheriff Julian Whittington withdrew federal funding applications after persistent DOJ questions about religious components of the Young Marine program. God is mentioned in a daily pledge but Bossier officials have said there is no mandatory participation in any prayer that is offered.

Whittington ultimately withdrew his funding application.

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

 

[daveman]

That's a lie by the Christian right. Is there any proof?

You've presented no proof that Fox's claim is a lie. NOTE: Screeching "Nuh-UH!!" is NOT proof.

Meanwhile, back in reality:

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

According to records requested by KTBS, the grant money for the Young Marines program was received by Bossier Parish for a decade ranging from 2002-2012. In 2012, the Department of Justice audited the Young Marine program and the wrap up letter from that visit expressed concerns about Young Marines being boot camp based and that research showed its ineffectiveness. In the course of providing brochures and information about the Young Marines program, the DOJ office of Civil Rights noticed the mention of God in the Young Marines program. While at first the DOJ seemed to say that this aspect of the program was not a problem, reviewers then requested assurances that the Young Marines program does not violate Federal Regulations requiring religious activities to be voluntary and separate from DOJ funded programs.

The responses from Bossier Parish attempted to assure the government that their activities were not in violation of Federal Regulation continued to prompt follow up questions from the feds, all passed on through Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement (LCLE) to Bossier.

In 2013, Bossier Parish applied for another grant from LCLE. In a response letter to Bossier Parish, LCLE asked Bossier to "please remove the reference to ‘love of God'" from their grant application for 2013 and also to remember that the Office of Civil Rights recommends that prayer be separate and voluntary from the program.

The Federal Attorney for the Office of Civil Rights said that the new 2013 grant request cannot be issued until a letter from the sheriff's office confirms that "any prayer, even if voluntary, needs to be separate in time or location" and states that the previous Young Marines program grants "contained impermissible use of DOJ funding on prayer." According to records, the DOJ never pulled its funding for the Bossier Parish programs.​

...unless you'd like to claim that KTBS, Bossier Parrish, and the Louisiana Commission on Law Enforcement are all in on this lie, it looks like Fox News was indeed correct, and your moonbat link is crap.

Bossier Parish Sheriff Julian Whittington withdrew federal funding applications after persistent DOJ questions about religious components of the Young Marine program. God is mentioned in a daily pledge but Bossier officials have said there is no mandatory participation in any prayer that is offered.

Whittington ultimately withdrew his funding application.

Open records and documents behind Young Marines funding - KTBS.com

Would the program have received DoJ funds if he had not changed his pledge?

Hint: No.

 

[whitehall]

I don't know who the hell Shannon Bream is or why the radical left thinks she is so influential but she huffed and puffed and beat around the bush but in the end according to "newshounds" Bream admitted that the DOJ pulled the funds for exactly the reason Fox news claimed.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Dupree, as a former member of the DOJ should know that "the Federal Regulations are clear in that any group that gets money from the DOJ must have all religious activities be both voluntary and separate." But Bream's biggest lie was that the DOJ pulled the funds. According to records, they didn't. Bossier Parish withdrew its application rather than comply with the DOJ request.

Read more at Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds.

So the funds WERE pulled because they wouldn't play ball.

Thank you for confirming that and you can shut the fuck up now and stop wasting bandwidth, jackhole.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Another lying OP with "truth" in their name. Seems to be a pattern here.

 

[whitehall]

Maybe the US education department succeeded in their mission of dumbing down Americans. Lefties seem to live on cliches and depend on Media Matters spin and Huffington to do their thinking for them They seem incapable of arguing about a specific point. The "newshounds" article vindicated the Fox account but the radical lefties still hemmed and hawed and fumed and pretended to be outraged. In the end the point was that the left thinks that the DOJ's actions were right but they are afraid to actually come out with it and say so.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Dupree, as a former member of the DOJ should know that "the Federal Regulations are clear in that any group that gets money from the DOJ must have all religious activities be both voluntary and separate." But Bream's biggest lie was that the DOJ pulled the funds. According to records, they didn't. Bossier Parish withdrew its application rather than comply with the DOJ request.

Read more at Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds.

Link to that PDF file.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Another lying OP with "truth" in their name. Seems to be a pattern here.

I didn't lie... the DOJ did not pull their funds, the organization withdrew it's application rather than answer the questions by the DOJ.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Dupree, as a former member of the DOJ should know that "the Federal Regulations are clear in that any group that gets money from the DOJ must have all religious activities be both voluntary and separate." But Bream's biggest lie was that the DOJ pulled the funds. According to records, they didn't. Bossier Parish withdrew its application rather than comply with the DOJ request.

Read more at Shannon Bream Advances 'Outrage' Over Bogus Claim That DOJ 'Pulled Funds' From Young Marine Program - NewsHounds

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds.

Link to that PDF file.

It's in the link to Newshounds.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

There is a link to a pdf fie that the email that shows they withdrew their application for the funds.

Link to that PDF file.

It's in the link to Newshounds.

I didn't find it. Link it here please.

 

[Truthseeker420]

http://ftpcontent2.worldnow.com/ktbs/files/2013GrantEmails.pdf