From each according to his ability to each according to his need.

[Rigby5]

Marxists have appropriated the word "communist". Using it only congers images of Stalin.
Communal life, common effort, community co-operation are not communism.

Communal life, common effort, community co-operations, are EXACTLY communism.
What is not communism is Stalinism, which clearly was state capitalism.
The fact Stalin killed off all the real communists so that he could take over and do something entirely different, does not at all change what communism actually is.
That is the danger that George Orwell wrote about in "1984".
If you let people change the meaning of words, they can control what you are able to understand and think about.
The word "communism" existed long before Marx or Stalin, and have very specific meanings, completely different than how Stalin tried to change them to mean.
But we should be able to recognize the realities for what they are and use the real words correctly instead of the attempt to pervert their meaning.

 

[22lcidw]

Nonsense.
The Jacobians of the French revolution were using the word "communism" before Karl Marx ever did.
He learned about it from them.

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Communism emerged during the French Revolution. It was an experiment known as the Parisian Commune of 1793. Marx was introduced to the idea whereas Marx had been at first just a socialist. He was converted to communism whereby the government owned all property compared to socialism where you own, are taxed and regulated to prevent you from doing what you would like to do without government permission.
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Karl Marx created NOTHING.
If you think communism is about forced inequity, which obviously is capitalism, then you know nothing about it.

Have you ever heard of a single monarchy that was not motivated by capitalist profits?

Monarchies thrived on the introduction of Fiat Currencies. Wars were financed easily and the barbarians were forestalled at he gate as enough of the peasants were at least surviving while the royalty continued to live well.

 

[Rigby5]

Monarchies thrived on the introduction of Fiat Currencies. Wars were financed easily and the barbarians were forestalled at he gate as enough of the peasants were at least surviving while the royalty continued to live well.

Yes, the goal of capitalism is to use the production of the masses in order to buy the force needed in order to control and contain the masses.
It is a self perpetuating inequity.

With the equality and justice of communism, you do not need a powerful and expensive force to control and contain the masses.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Communism NEVER suggests there is ever anything wrong with any social order.
Communism instead only attacks the corrupt political order of the wealthy elite stealing the wealth created by the common population, in order to pay for an armed force to maintain the inequality.
Which is exactly the corruption capitalism always tried to impose.

Yes it does.

Communism demands the destruction of all social orders which currently exist.

Capitalism does no such tjing as you claim.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Nonsense.
The Jacobians of the French revolution were using the word "communism" before Karl Marx ever did.
He learned about it from them.

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Communism emerged during the French Revolution. It was an experiment known as the Parisian Commune of 1793. Marx was introduced to the idea whereas Marx had been at first just a socialist. He was converted to communism whereby the government owned all property compared to socialism where you own, are taxed and regulated to prevent you from doing what you would like to do without government permission.
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Karl Marx created NOTHING.
If you think communism is about forced inequity, which obviously is capitalism, then you know nothing about it.

Have you ever heard of a single monarchy that was not motivated by capitalist profits?

Wroing moron.

The modern ideology of communism was in fact created by marx.

Communism is about forced slavery and tyranny over all people


All manarchies predated capitalism

 

[Soupnazi630]

Marx was born into being part of the wealthy elite, and he rejected it, choosing to live in poverty instead.
He imposed on no one.

Yes he did he demanded that others with money give to gim he was a dead beat and professional panhandler.

His entire ideology is pne of people being enslaved to others for the same end.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yes, the goal of capitalism is to use the production of the masses in order to buy the force needed in order to control and contain the masses.
It is a self perpetuating inequity.

With the equality and justice of communism, you do not need a powerful and expensive force to control and contain the masses.

That is false capitalism is about protecting pribate property rights and voluntary exchange which neeeds no force to control others.

Only collectivism especially communism is rooted in forcing others to surrender their labor.

Cammunism is only about the equality of slavery

 

[Soupnazi630]

We had tyranny and slavery in the US.

Yes and both were done away with by capitalists

 

[Soupnazi630]

We had tyranny and slavery in the US.

Both were overthrown by capitalists

 

[Rigby5]

Yes it does.

Communism demands the destruction of all social orders which currently exist.

Capitalism does no such tjing as you claim.

Nonsense.
Communism does not at all demand the destruction of any social order except that of a monopoly on the capital needed for production.
For example, communism says nothing about social orders like religions, clubs, tribes, etc.
Stalin attacked the church in Russia, but that was because it was obviously corrupt and connected with the aristocracy.
The most common communism example is Israeli Kibbutzim, and there is no "destruction of any social order" there.

Capitalism is greed and profits, which are the sources of almost all criminal acts.

 

[Rigby5]

Wroing moron.

The modern ideology of communism was in fact created by marx.

Communism is about forced slavery and tyranny over all people


All manarchies predated capitalism

Wrong.
I already proved that by showing the French Jacobites already used the term and that is where Marx learned about it.

All monarchies are based on capitalism, and before capitalism you had the communism of hunter/gatherer tribes.

 

[Rigby5]

That is false capitalism is about protecting pribate property rights and voluntary exchange which neeeds no force to control others.

Only collectivism especially communism is rooted in forcing others to surrender their labor.

Cammunism is only about the equality of slavery

So then according to you, we do not need laws to prevent monopolies or usury because capitalists are inherently benevolent?
That is silly.
Capitalism is just the profit motive.
Making and selling a good product is what we force capitalists to do now, but without the laws to prevent capitalists abuses, capitalists will always instead just invest in weapons and take your property by force.

 

[Rigby5]

Yes and both were done away with by capitalists

Wrong.
What ended tyranny and slavery were socialist revolutions and restrictive legislation.
And all laws, police, courts, etc., are socialism if they are not corrupt.

Capitalists never end tyranny or slavery, but try to create tyranny and slavery.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Nonsense.
Communism does not at all demand the destruction of any social order except that of a monopoly on the capital needed for production.
For example, communism says nothing about social orders like religions, clubs, tribes, etc.
Stalin attacked the church in Russia, but that was because it was obviously corrupt and connected with the aristocracy.
The most common communism example is Israeli Kibbutzim, and there is no "destruction of any social order" there.

Capitalism is greed and profits, which are the sources of almost all criminal acts.

Wrong.

Marx specificvally callled for the destruction of all existing social orders. he is the creator of communism and designed the ideology.

The destruction of all such social orders such as religion is part and parcel of communism which is why all communist nations such as the USSR abolish religion.

The Kibbutzim is not communism or even remotely close to it.

Capitalism is protection of private property rights and voluntary exchange. Profits cause no criminal acts.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
What ended tyranny and slavery were socialist revolutions and restrictive legislation.
And all laws, police, courts, etc., are socialism if they are not corrupt.

Capitalists never end tyranny or slavery, but try to create tyranny and slavery.

Wrong what ended ti was capitalism.

You are a fool and ignorant of history.

Capitalists ended slavery

 

[Soupnazi630]

So then according to you, we do not need laws to prevent monopolies or usury because capitalists are inherently benevolent?
That is silly.
Capitalism is just the profit motive.
Making and selling a good product is what we force capitalists to do now, but without the laws to prevent capitalists abuses, capitalists will always instead just invest in weapons and take your property by force.

No we do not need such laws.

ALL monopolies are created by government protection and force,

Capitalism is not profit motive. Capitalism is protection fo private property and volunatry exchange

Forcing anyone to make and sell a profit is slavery

Communists take proerty by force not capitalists

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
I already proved that by showing the French Jacobites already used the term and that is where Marx learned about it.

All monarchies are based on capitalism, and before capitalism you had the communism of hunter/gatherer tribes.

USing the term is not inventing the ideology

You proved notrhing

Manarchies predated capitalism

Hunter gatherers were not communists

 

[dudmuck]

No we do not need such laws.

ALL monopolies are created by government protection and force,

Capitalism is not profit motive. Capitalism is protection fo private property and volunatry exchange

Forcing anyone to make and sell a profit is slavery

Communists take proerty by force not capitalists

i suppose you think the goverment forced amazon to buy MGM.

 

[Soupnazi630]

i suppose you think the goverment forced amazon to buy MGM.

Not a monopoly

 

[Indeependent]

That is a common misidentification of communism.

Communism is a stateless society (anarchy) where all property and means of production are held in common and the people control the means by democratic vote. Marx was quite clear about that.

Since anarchy is a logical impossibility, they are all the same.

In fact, "democratic socialism" is the LITERAL meaning of Communism.

People still can't get it through their heads that Marx wrote about the Capitalism, Socialism, Communism Cycle and if most of us lived when he lived we would probably want Socialism.
Life was miserable back then.