From the files of "What the HELL is wrong with people"

[jimnyc]

I wish some women would rape me

 

[acludem]

If you all are prepared to fry this kid, then let's lower drinking age, voting age, age to serve in the military, age to smoke, age to look at porn, age to get into a "R" rated movie, etc. to 16. I lose patience with these laws where we'll lock up a 12 year old and throw away the key, but in every other case it is assumed this same 12 year old doesn't have the judgement yet to do things like have a job, sign a legal contract, smoke, drink alcohol, drive a car, vote, be on a jury, etc. Either you are an adult at 12 or your not. We're trying to have it both ways right now.

acludem

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by acludem
If you all are prepared to fry this kid, then let's lower drinking age, voting age, age to serve in the military, age to smoke, age to look at porn, age to get into a "R" rated movie, etc. to 16. I lose patience with these laws where we'll lock up a 12 year old and throw away the key, but in every other case it is assumed this same 12 year old doesn't have the judgement yet to do things like have a job, sign a legal contract, smoke, drink alcohol, drive a car, vote, be on a jury, etc. Either you are an adult at 12 or your not. We're trying to have it both ways right now.

acludem

It figures you would defend someone like this. He deserves the lethal injection, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[mattskramer]

Originally posted by dmp
Right - we are saying Men who committ acts of sex against/with Minors of the SAME sex are Gay. The Gay community however, rejects them (cough-priesthood-cough)...they want ppl to beleive that Homosexuality is fine - okay...no problem.

Homosexuality destroys lives. Heterosexual acts, even committed against/with kids aren't NEARLY so destructive.

I disagree. Homosexuality, in and of itself, does not destroy lives any more than does Heterosexuality. Heterosexual statutory rape against kids is as destructive as heterosexual rape. Also, consider the evils done in heterosexual relationships: domestic violence; cereal marriages in which biological children are abandoned and a partner (often the ex-wife) is left nearly destitute; and rape, itself. I wonder how many heterosexual rapes are committed each year (against adults or children) (per capita) as compared to homosexual RAPE.

 

[nycflasher]

I can't believe some people are so undereducated about rape as it exists in our society?

Where do you live... in caves?

 

[acludem]

Where in my post did I defend this guy? Where????????

I simply made the point that we have an incongrous policy when it comes to how we treat people of certain ages.

acludem

 

[insein]

Originally posted by acludem
Where in my post did I defend this guy? Where????????

I simply made the point that we have an incongrous policy when it comes to how we treat people of certain ages.

acludem

There is no cookie cutter approach. This situation is obviously different from a 16 year old that is playing with his dads gun and accidentailly shoots his friend.

 

[Hobbit]

I'm all for imposing the age limits on drinking, military, and driving, because people who are that young aren't expected to be able to handle those situations in a safe manner. However, I don't think anybody can say they're too young to understand that killing someone and raping the corpse is wrong. I've had a similar experience. I had friends who lost best friends when two boys who were mad at the world took two of dad's hunting rifle and killed their parents and several students at a Jonesboro public school. They weren't tried as adults and will be out in a few years. I don't care if they were only 12 and 13, that's too light a sentence. I don't want to hear about how their lives would be ruined. What about the lives THEY ruined? What about the lives they ended? Seven sets of parents had to bury their twelve year old daughters because these kids had a temper tantrum and you're fighting for their right to enjoy a full life? My friends couldn't sleep, eat, or even think more than just a little for weeks after this happened. At that point, I don't give a damn about the shooter's rights. The only thing that keeps me from demanding they get a painful death is Jesus, who preached mercy. 'Kids' like this need to either be executed or locked away until they're eligible for social security, because somewhere, they lost their humanity and aren't safe for society any more.

 

[acludem]

I understand where you are coming from, but remember, as you said, when people are 12 years old, we assume they do not comprehend the consequences to their actions. My heart goes out to the families of those who were killed, but these were children, and as such, I do believe they were tried and sentenced correctly. I do not believe that we should give up on kids this young. If we decide they are adults and capable of understanding the consequences than lower all of the other age restrictions to 12.

I am interested in one other thing, was whoever allowed them access to the guns every tried? Kids don't get guns unless someone gives them access. How about we try those who do not properly secure their weapons allowing these kids to get them and commit crimes? Aren't they guilty of a crime?

acludem

 

[Hobbit]

The dad is the one who didn't lock up his guns, and they killed him, so he can't exactly be tried.

You can't slap a blanket age restriction on everything. A twelve year old kid might not comprehend a sexually explicit movie and may view it as acceptable behavior. I twelve year old kid will make stupid decision when alcohol is involved. A twelve year old kid may see a violent movie and not properly comprehend what is going on, but any twelve year old kid either fully understands that killing someone is wrong, unless there's something severely wrong with that kid. I would say give him minimum sentencing for that crime, but to give him the minimum *adult* sentence. The kid's a menace to society. If you slap the blanket age restriction for accountability on every aspect of life, than everything from driving to running for president should be the same age. It's not because some things require more maturity to handle than others. That's why parents progressively give kids different rights and resposibilities as they get older rather than them simply waking up one day with the responsibilities of a fully grown adult. I simply think holding people accountable for murder should be a lower tiered responsibility.

 

[acludem]

We agree then, Hobbit. Treat each case individually. In this case, these kids were not tried as adults, and thus were subject to whatever penalties the juvenile system afforded. There have been other cases, such as Lionel Tate, where a 12 year old was tried for murder and sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole. Brazil's case was overturned on appeal. His mother stupidly turned down a very reasonable and rational plea bargain, a guilty plea in exchange for a sentence to juvenile correction for several years. After the conviction was overturned, the same plea bargain was offered and this time accepted. Lionel was convicted of murdering a four year old girl while roughhousing with her. His mother was supposed to be watching the two kids but was asleep at the time. Lionel insisted it was an accident, but prosecutors charged him with first degree murder.

If we are going to hold 12 year olds responsible as adults when they screw up, we have to give them adult rights and responsibilities. We cannot have it both ways.

acludem

 

[Hobbit]

Originally posted by acludem
If we are going to hold 12 year olds responsible as adults when they screw up, we have to give them adult rights and responsibilities. We cannot have it both ways.

acludem

I agree with you there. I also agree with the ruling in that case. However, the guy was already roughousing and it could have actually been an accident. He didn't pull the fire alarm and then snipe her as she filed out of the locker room.