Gang member shoots other gang member in defense

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Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.
APD: 10 accused in beating that led to fatal self-defense shooting



ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — When a group of teenage boys and young adults who police say are in the Westside Locos gang decided to attack one of their own with baseball bats and muffler pipes last month, it didn’t end well.

Not only was one of them killed in the attack, but now many have been arrested and charged in the ambush.

The teen they attacked survived, but only because he shot and killed one of his assailants in self-defense, according to police.

Police have arrested six people — Ivan Veleta, 16, Eyzea Zamora, 16, Derek Muniz, 20, Ricardo Mones, 21, Juaquin Portillo, 21, and Kayleen Tatum, 21. And they have filed arrest warrants for four others — Jeremiah Abalos, 16, Jose Barron, 17, Raymond Prieto, 18, and Esmeralda Chavez, 21, none of whom had been arrested by Thursday evening.

Officers were called to a home near Sage and Snow Vista SW on Dec. 11 and found 20-year-old Joshua Garcia dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. After interviewing witnesses, detectives learned that Garcia and up to 14 of his friends, all alleged Westside Loco gang members, had reportedly ambushed another gang member, 16-year-old Carl Mather, and bludgeoned him.

When detectives tracked down Mather, he had cuts all over his head and broken front teeth.

Mather told officers Garcia owed him money for heroin and he went to collect the debt at Garcia’s house on Dec. 11.

“A large group of boys began jumping over fences, running from the back yard and running up to the house from the street, attacking Carl,” a detective wrote in the complaint. “Carl stated he was trying to get to his gun to defend himself but the boys were on top of him, striking, hitting, kicking and beating him with metal pipes and bats.”

Mather fired once, and then started running.

“Carl stated he was in fear for his life because he thought he was going to be killed,” the detective wrote. “He was trying to wipe the blood from his face because he could not see out of his right eye.”

Everyone who has been arrested or is wanted in the incident is facing charges of aggravated battery with a weapon causing great bodily harm, robbery, kidnapping, attempt to commit a violent felony, assault with the intent to commit a violent felony and conspiracy, according to court records.
 
Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.
So the one gang member you respect is the one with the gun? Got it.

Think sarcasm...
Terrific, only as you can see, on the Internet it's essentially impossible to recognize, especially here where for most what you said is absolutely true.
 
Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.
So the one gang member you respect is the one with the gun? Got it.

Think sarcasm...
Terrific, only as you can see, on the Internet it's essentially impossible to recognize, especially here where for most what you said is absolutely true.

I thought claiming society was lucky a gang member defended himself was laying it on pretty thick.

Also note in the OP I'm stating criminal on criminal defenses are the majority of defenses. That's not what the NRA will tell you.
 
Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.
APD: 10 accused in beating that led to fatal self-defense shooting



ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — When a group of teenage boys and young adults who police say are in the Westside Locos gang decided to attack one of their own with baseball bats and muffler pipes last month, it didn’t end well.

Not only was one of them killed in the attack, but now many have been arrested and charged in the ambush.

The teen they attacked survived, but only because he shot and killed one of his assailants in self-defense, according to police.

Police have arrested six people — Ivan Veleta, 16, Eyzea Zamora, 16, Derek Muniz, 20, Ricardo Mones, 21, Juaquin Portillo, 21, and Kayleen Tatum, 21. And they have filed arrest warrants for four others — Jeremiah Abalos, 16, Jose Barron, 17, Raymond Prieto, 18, and Esmeralda Chavez, 21, none of whom had been arrested by Thursday evening.

Officers were called to a home near Sage and Snow Vista SW on Dec. 11 and found 20-year-old Joshua Garcia dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. After interviewing witnesses, detectives learned that Garcia and up to 14 of his friends, all alleged Westside Loco gang members, had reportedly ambushed another gang member, 16-year-old Carl Mather, and bludgeoned him.

When detectives tracked down Mather, he had cuts all over his head and broken front teeth.

Mather told officers Garcia owed him money for heroin and he went to collect the debt at Garcia’s house on Dec. 11.

“A large group of boys began jumping over fences, running from the back yard and running up to the house from the street, attacking Carl,” a detective wrote in the complaint. “Carl stated he was trying to get to his gun to defend himself but the boys were on top of him, striking, hitting, kicking and beating him with metal pipes and bats.”

Mather fired once, and then started running.

“Carl stated he was in fear for his life because he thought he was going to be killed,” the detective wrote. “He was trying to wipe the blood from his face because he could not see out of his right eye.”

Everyone who has been arrested or is wanted in the incident is facing charges of aggravated battery with a weapon causing great bodily harm, robbery, kidnapping, attempt to commit a violent felony, assault with the intent to commit a violent felony and conspiracy, according to court records.


That is a lie brain. No study says that.
 
Brain, you might have a point if most gun violence wasnt done by gang members.(excluding suicide of course)
Math foreign to you bro?
 
Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.
APD: 10 accused in beating that led to fatal self-defense shooting



ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — When a group of teenage boys and young adults who police say are in the Westside Locos gang decided to attack one of their own with baseball bats and muffler pipes last month, it didn’t end well.

Not only was one of them killed in the attack, but now many have been arrested and charged in the ambush.

The teen they attacked survived, but only because he shot and killed one of his assailants in self-defense, according to police.

Police have arrested six people — Ivan Veleta, 16, Eyzea Zamora, 16, Derek Muniz, 20, Ricardo Mones, 21, Juaquin Portillo, 21, and Kayleen Tatum, 21. And they have filed arrest warrants for four others — Jeremiah Abalos, 16, Jose Barron, 17, Raymond Prieto, 18, and Esmeralda Chavez, 21, none of whom had been arrested by Thursday evening.

Officers were called to a home near Sage and Snow Vista SW on Dec. 11 and found 20-year-old Joshua Garcia dead of a single gunshot wound to the chest. After interviewing witnesses, detectives learned that Garcia and up to 14 of his friends, all alleged Westside Loco gang members, had reportedly ambushed another gang member, 16-year-old Carl Mather, and bludgeoned him.

When detectives tracked down Mather, he had cuts all over his head and broken front teeth.

Mather told officers Garcia owed him money for heroin and he went to collect the debt at Garcia’s house on Dec. 11.

“A large group of boys began jumping over fences, running from the back yard and running up to the house from the street, attacking Carl,” a detective wrote in the complaint. “Carl stated he was trying to get to his gun to defend himself but the boys were on top of him, striking, hitting, kicking and beating him with metal pipes and bats.”

Mather fired once, and then started running.

“Carl stated he was in fear for his life because he thought he was going to be killed,” the detective wrote. “He was trying to wipe the blood from his face because he could not see out of his right eye.”

Everyone who has been arrested or is wanted in the incident is facing charges of aggravated battery with a weapon causing great bodily harm, robbery, kidnapping, attempt to commit a violent felony, assault with the intent to commit a violent felony and conspiracy, according to court records.


That is a lie brain. No study says that.

Kleck has said most are involved in criminal activity. And it's simply common sense. What study says most defenses aren't criminal on criminal?
 
I thought claiming society was lucky a gang member defended himself was laying it on pretty thick.
One would think, and they'd be correct at any place with normal and reasonable people, but not here. When someone, anyone defends themselves with a gun and kills someone here, clean underwear is involved.
 
Didn't know you were such a fan of gang members, with guns? Who knew.

I just think society is so lucky this gang member was able to defend himself.
But you are for the Government taking honest citizens guns? Commie hypocrite.

What honest citizen has had his gun taken?
I didn't say there was, I said you support it. Idiot

When did I say that?
 
Here is an example of the kind of defense that are the majority of gun defenses. One gang member defending himself against other gang members.

Can you provide statistical evidence that most cases of guns being used in self defense are gang members shooting other gang members?
 

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