Gang shootings in Britain are escalating...but, they banned and confiscated guns, right?

[Tank]

 

[BULLDOG]

Done now? Good. Now, compare their gun related deaths to the U.S.. They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing.

So you are calling for bans and confiscations and totally ignoring the 2nd Amendment ?

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

This is were all gun debates end. You Liberals start with noone is trying to take away firearms, inevitably the argument leads to you lefties mentioning the UK or Australia two countries who literally banned firearms

You dumb ass. Read the title to this thread, posted by one of the biggest gun nuts here. A lefty didn't mention the UK. It's the subject of the thread.

 

[BULLDOG]

Done now? Good. Now, compare their gun related deaths to the U.S.. They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing.

So you are calling for bans and confiscations and totally ignoring the 2nd Amendment ?

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

 

[Rustic]

So you are calling for bans and confiscations and totally ignoring the 2nd Amendment ?

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Firearms don’t kill people people kill people. Dumbass

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Firearms don’t kill people people kill people. Dumbass

Yes. Crazy people use firearms to kill people thousands of times per year.

 

[2aguy]

So you are calling for bans and confiscations and totally ignoring the 2nd Amendment ?

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate too dumb ass....their culture has kept their criminal class from murdering their victims...as their gun offenders ages go lower, their gun murder rate is going to go up....

We can't copy their culture...they are copying ours by importing violent 3rd world males, and creating more and more single, teenage girls who are having children without fathers....

 

[2aguy]

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Firearms don’t kill people people kill people. Dumbass

Yes. Crazy people use firearms to kill people thousands of times per year.

And Americans use guns on average 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives....

9,616 gun murders in 2015......vs........1,500,000 times a gun is used by a law abiding gun owner to stop those criminals....

And of those 9,616 gun murders, 70-80% of the victims are other criminals.......not law abiding victims...

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Firearms don’t kill people people kill people. Dumbass

Yes. Crazy people use firearms to kill people thousands of times per year.

And Americans use guns on average 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives....

9,616 gun murders in 2015......vs........1,500,000 times a gun is used by a law abiding gun owner to stop those criminals....

And of those 9,616 gun murders, 70-80% of the victims are other criminals.......not law abiding victims...

An armed victim stops the crime about 3% of the time.

 

[August West]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

 

[Rustic]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

 

[frigidweirdo]

Gun numbers have risen to above gun-ban levels. So it's no wonder gun crime is on the rise.

No what it shows is that criminals don't give a shit about laws.

No, it doesn't actually.

Criminals in London are far less likely to use the guns they own than criminals in the US are. Why? They fear losing those guns. In the US there's a ready supply of guns. In the UK it's far more difficult to get guns, and far more expensive. Doesn't mean they don't use them. But like my previous post, there are a LOT LESS uses of guns in the UK than the US.

Moron...from today....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/23/london-mayor-urged-to-tackle-gun-as-offences-rise
London mayor urged to tackle gun crime as offences rise

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has been urged to consider a gun crime strategy for the capital, following a steep rise in the number of offences and fears that victims and perpetrators are getting younger.

The Metropolitan police recorded 2,542 gun crime offences in 2017, the highest number in five years and 44% more than the 1,755 recorded in 2014, according to a report by the London assembly’s police and crime committee.

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About a third of the victims of gun crime and almost three in five offenders were aged 25 or under in the 12 months to October 2017, according to the assembly’s report. There were anecdotal suggestions from police and a senior trauma doctor that they were seeing younger victims than in the past.

Drug dealing and gang activity were identified as the main drivers of gun crime, with gangs said to account for nearly half of all offences where lethal guns – as opposed to non-lethal airguns or stun guns – were fired.

So, insults as an argument, and then copy and past with nothing else?

Wow.

It's like this "You're a fucking idiot because you don't know the Earth is flat"

That's your level right now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Gun numbers have risen to above gun-ban levels. So it's no wonder gun crime is on the rise.

No what it shows is that criminals don't give a shit about laws.

No, it doesn't actually.

Criminals in London are far less likely to use the guns they own than criminals in the US are. Why? They fear losing those guns. In the US there's a ready supply of guns. In the UK it's far more difficult to get guns, and far more expensive. Doesn't mean they don't use them. But like my previous post, there are a LOT LESS uses of guns in the UK than the US.

Moron...as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down, including murder....in Britain, they banned guns...and their gun crime rate went up....on an island nation...

U.S.....as we went from 320 million guns to close to 600 million guns. As we went from 4.7 million people carrying guns to over 16.3 million people carrying guns....

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Britain....after they banned guns in 1996...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Oh, more insults and more lack of substance.

Christ, this is boring.

4% of people in the UK own guns. More guns are owned in the UK than are owned in Idaho which is a LARGER AREA than the UK. And yet you're talking like there's a total gun ban or something.

Ah, who gives a fuck, you're on ignore, and I know why you're on ignore, and I'll just continue to ignore this trash again.

 

[Rustic]

Gun numbers have risen to above gun-ban levels. So it's no wonder gun crime is on the rise.

No what it shows is that criminals don't give a shit about laws.

No, it doesn't actually.

Criminals in London are far less likely to use the guns they own than criminals in the US are. Why? They fear losing those guns. In the US there's a ready supply of guns. In the UK it's far more difficult to get guns, and far more expensive. Doesn't mean they don't use them. But like my previous post, there are a LOT LESS uses of guns in the UK than the US.

Moron...as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down, including murder....in Britain, they banned guns...and their gun crime rate went up....on an island nation...

U.S.....as we went from 320 million guns to close to 600 million guns. As we went from 4.7 million people carrying guns to over 16.3 million people carrying guns....

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Britain....after they banned guns in 1996...


U.K. Begins Another Gun Surrender Initiative Amid Increase in Gun Crime

The United Kingdom's National Ballistics Intelligence Service (NABIS) is conducting a new gun surrender program from Nov. 13 to Nov. 26 after gun crime in England and Wales increased by more than a quarter in the past year.

The Office for National Statistics found a 27 percent increase in crimes involving firearms during its most recent review of crime data. Despite a near ban on the civilian ownership of handguns the review found crimes committed with handguns increased by 25 percent and accounted for the majority of gun crimes. The agency said the increases in 2016 were part of a multiyear trend.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

Oh, more insults and more lack of substance.

Christ, this is boring.

4% of people in the UK own guns. More guns are owned in the UK than are owned in Idaho which is a LARGER AREA than the UK. And yet you're talking like there's a total gun ban or something.

Ah, who gives a fuck, you're on ignore, and I know why you're on ignore, and I'll just continue to ignore this trash again.

Says an anti-gun nutter...

 

[BULLDOG]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

Yet thousands die each year.

 

[Rustic]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

Yet thousands die each year.

We have much bigger fish to fry than firearm violence, there are many, many more things much more dangerous - take your pick. More frivolous laws will not save anybody.
Dip shit
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[bodecea]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
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Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

Be comforted....there's always Kentucky today.

 

[BULLDOG]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

Yet thousands die each year.

We have much bigger fish to fry than firearm violence, there are many, many more things much more dangerous - take your pick. More frivolous laws will not save anybody.
Dip shit
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Yet this thread is about gun deaths.

 

[Rustic]

Maybe the gangs don't know about the law?

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

Yet thousands die each year.

We have much bigger fish to fry than firearm violence, there are many, many more things much more dangerous - take your pick. More frivolous laws will not save anybody.
Dip shit
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Yet this thread is about gun deaths.

Not a real concern, And more frivolous gun laws will not address the problem whatsoever.

 

[bodecea]

I'm sure it's hard for you to separate the voices in your head from what you read here. but you should at least try.

"They're doing it right. We need to do what they are doing."
Tell us how did the UK do it right and explain how that wouldn't ignore our Constitution.

I'm not sure of all they have done, but you can't argue with such low gun related death rates, unless you are a brain dead gun nut. They would argue with a pine tree.

Moron.....gun murder didn't go down in Britain.....it spiked for 10 years after the ban, then returned to the same level....their gun control laws didn't effect their gun murder rate.


Their gun control laws didn't reduce their gun violence....that has been going up steadily.......

moron.

I didn't say it went down silly. I'm sure it has increased a hundred or so per year. That many die from guns almost every weekend here in the US. Their death rate from guns is tiny. That's something to try to copy.

Firearms don’t kill people people kill people. Dumbass

Just like religions don't kill people. People kill people.

 

[bodecea]

Maybe if they had more guns there would be less shootings. It`s been a real success story here.

The chances of being killed by someone using a firearm in this country is next to zero… For the average American. Fact

Yet thousands die each year.

We have much bigger fish to fry than firearm violence, there are many, many more things much more dangerous - take your pick. More frivolous laws will not save anybody.
Dip shit
2018 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Yet this thread is about gun deaths.

Not a real concern, And more frivolous gun laws will not address the problem whatsoever.

"Not a real concern..." Yes. We know.