Grumblenuts
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Fraud is worse than lying. That's why it's illegal.Unscientific fraud ^^^
There was chemical evolution long before there was any biology.The thing I like about this is that they seem to understand that biological evolution can't begin until life exists.
Yes, chemical evolution. Chemical bonding and chance.There was chemical evolution long before there was any biology.
You should study ribozymes, which are little bits of RNA that catalyze other chemical reactions. The shortest one is CUGGC. Ribozymes have names, like hammerhead, hairpin, and so on.
One of the interesting things about ribozymes is most of them require divalent metal ion cofactors. Magnesium is the big player there. When you add MgCl2 to a solution of ribozymes in water you see a huge spike in the kinetic right around 10mM concentration. Magnesium in seawater is about 1300 ppm, it's the third most abundant ion behind sodium and chlorine.
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Ribozyme - Wikipedia
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The first self replicating ribozyme was discovered in 2002, the second author is now the president of the Salk Institute
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INAUGURAL ARTICLE by a Recently Elected Academy Member:A self-replicating ligase ribozyme
A self-replicating molecule directs the covalent assembly of component molecules to form a product that is of identical composition to the parent. When the newly formed product also is able to direct the assembly of product molecules, the self-replicating ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Which now continues as biological evolution.Yes, chemical evolution. Chemical bonding and chance.
Two different things.Which now continues as biological evolution.
Still the same thing, chemical bonding and chance.
Nothing biological can hapoen... until life exists?The thing I like about this is that they seem to understand that biological evolution can't begin until life exists.
Exactly. It's how life formed.There was chemical evolution long before there was any biology.
So post cell.Nothing biological can hapoen... until life exists?
Well yeah, by definition. "Biological"
Maybe. The FUCA was possibly, maybe even likely, precellular. So it would come down to semantics. Arbitrarily chosen definitions.So post cell.
"Life" is more than just the machinery.Exactly. It's how life formed.
You say arbitrary. I say self evident. No life. No biological evolution. No natural selection.Maybe. The FUCA was possibly, maybe even likely, precellular. So it would come down to semantics. Arbitrarily chosen definitions.
But it's not out of bounds to define such a FUCA as not life, for certain uses. But we don't know many of its properties.
You say arbitrary. I say self evident. No life. No biological evolution. No natural selection.
And apparently it needs to be. Because some people want to apply natural selection to inanimate long chains of organic molecules that mimic amino acids."No life, no biological...."
This is redundant.
Maybe forbyou.And apparently it needs to be.
Obviously I did considering others disagreed with you. Where were you in those conversations?Maybe forbyou.
I know what the word biological means. You haven't stated anything insightful.
"If no water, no wet..."
Uh, okay.
No they didn't. Ding, don't start the chest thumping, you always make silly errors when you do.Obviously I did considering others disagreed with you.
Again... where were you when others were arguing that natural selection was occuring before life?Obviously that doesn't mean anything.
Go try out the useless talking point on them, then.
Hey, without cars, there is no car driving.
But anyhoo... there is both selection and evolution among chemicals. That's how abiogenesis occurred.
I am not interested in your strawman.Again... where were you when others were arguing that natural selection was occuring before life?
You just contradicted yourself, so I did need to state the obvious.Of course selection operates on chemicals.
Yes, its one of the most tested laws in the sciences, the law of biogenesis, as well established as any of the other laws we have in physics.Nothing biological can hapoen... until life exists?
Well yeah, by definition. "Biological"