Gaza army

[Challenger]

Big mouth low IQ forgets that Gazan govt. is listed as a racist barbaric terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

And hasn't committed a terrorist act, since 2005.

So, you don't consider continued launching of rockets at neighboring country a terrorist act or act of war?

How generous of you to support your Death Cult heroes.

An act of resistance to occupation and oppression and the only death cult in the region is Zionism.

 

[Challenger]

Typically pointless, shortstop. Gaza does not have an army, it has a collection of Islamic terrorist syndicates, often hostile to one another.

The continuing Islamist terrorist attacks aimed at Israel are not undertaken by an armed, uniformed force but by Islamic terrorist networks who have every intention of launching attacks from civilian areas where there is relative safety from an aggressive Israeli retaliation. The islami. Terrorists you define as heroes are simply cowards who know full well that Israel will take steps to avoid civilian casualties.

Gazan's are not terrorists, you racist piece of shit.

Is "Gazan" a race?

If you're referring to the welfare cheats who put Islamic terrorists into a political position, we might refer to them as Islamic terrorist enablers.

Does that offend your tender, little, sensibilities?

Maybe take a short break from your small, menial Joooooo hating.

Big mouth low IQ forgets that Gazan govt. is listed as a racist barbaric terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

No, Just USA and Israel. The rest of the West have varying views and at best put them on a list of Terrorist Groups just to appease the aforementioned. The French, for example, have an unofficial diplomatic mission in Gaza City...

 

[Hollie]

Big mouth low IQ forgets that Gazan govt. is listed as a racist barbaric terrorist organization by the U.S. And the West.

And hasn't committed a terrorist act, since 2005.

So, you don't consider continued launching of rockets at neighboring country a terrorist act or act of war?

How generous of you to support your Death Cult heroes.

An act of resistance to occupation and oppression and the only death cult in the region is Zionism.

What "occupation"? There is no occupation.

Islamic terrorist attacks aimed at Israel from Gaza are a function of the Hama's Charter.

It's remarkable that you Islamic terrorist cheerleaders have never read the Hamas War Manual, AKA its Death Cult Charter.

 

[Humanity]

There is no occupation.

Only in your delusional mind...

How about a link that proves there is no occupation?

 

[Hollie]

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

Why would Israel have a need to unleash a nuclear (or nukular) attack?

The conventional armed forces have been and still are, by far, the better of Arab-Moslem armies and their wars of attempted annihilation of the Jewish State.

I'll take your pointless response as an example of what you typically post.

Tell us about the last three wars of aggression waged by arab islamics intended to complete their islamo-genocide.

They were humiliating islamo-defeats.

 

[Challenger]

Bleipriester, Roudy, et al,

As a coherent political policy concerning Palestine (the 1988 State of), Israel does not have a real firm future objective.

While the various political parties have their individual agendas, and positions, a collectively Israeli Foreign Policy really has not been formulated.

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

(COMMENT)

The Israelis agree on the need to survive the long standing Arab Palestinian objective to evict the Jewish State. But much beyond that, the Israelis still are debating the future of their state and how it will develop regional relations.

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.

As of yet, there is no reasonable expectation that any agreement made today with the Arab Palestinian will be honored for any length of time. The past history and behaviors of the Arab Palestinian has demonstrated that any agreed upon peace will be short term until the Arab Palestinians as mustered enough military might and political support to make another act of aggression to (in their eyes) liberate the territorial boundaries they consider their sovereign right; even though they have nothing that grants them that sovereign right.

The Arab Palestinians have made a solemn oath to continue the conflict until they liberate what they consider as Palestine. And until they abdicate that oath, they can be expected to be contained.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even Arafat wasn't negotiating in good faith, which is why the peace deal during Clinton's years fell apart. It hasn't been as much about establishing this mythical Palestine, as much as the desire to destroy the Jewish state. At its heart this conflict is about religious ideology and will remain so.

There is no jewish state.

Israel is a Jewish state and will always be. Deal with it, you asylum escapee.

Israel is a Jewish state and will always be.

...while it lasts.

 

[Hollie]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

 

[Challenger]

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

Why would Israel have a need to unleash a nuclear (or nukular) attack?

The conventional armed forces have been and still are, by far, the better of Arab-Moslem armies and their wars of attempted annihilation of the Jewish State.

I'll take your pointless response as an example of what you typically post.

Tell us about the last three wars of aggression waged by arab islamics intended to complete their islamo-genocide.

They were humiliating islamo-defeats.

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

Why would Israel have a need to unleash a nuclear (or nukular) attack?

The conventional armed forces have been and still are, by far, the better of Arab-Moslem armies and their wars of attempted annihilation of the Jewish State.

I'll take your pointless response as an example of what you typically post.

Tell us about the last three wars of aggression waged by arab islamics intended to complete their islamo-genocide.

They were humiliating islamo-defeats.

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?

Not just the Arab world...

Why does Israel refuse to sign up to nuclear treaties?

Why does Israel refuse weapons inspectors?

The WHOLE world is waiting for zionist Israel to unleash just ONE nuclear attack... Bye Bye Israel!

And THAT would be a shame! A shame for the moderate Jews who want NOTHING to do with the extremist zionists!

Why would Israel have a need to unleash a nuclear (or nukular) attack?

The conventional armed forces have been and still are, by far, the better of Arab-Moslem armies and their wars of attempted annihilation of the Jewish State.

I'll take your pointless response as an example of what you typically post.

Tell us about the last three wars of aggression waged by arab islamics intended to complete their islamo-genocide.

They were humiliating islamo-defeats.

I think I made my point, albeit graphically.

What "last three wars of aggression waged by arab islamics intended to complete their islamo-genocide?" Must have blinked and missed them.

 

[Humanity]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Israel still controls some parts of the West Bank. It is divided into Areas A, B, and C.

 

[Hollie]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Are you aware that Israel does not occupy Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

Have you sought treatment for your condition?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Are you aware that Israel does not occupy Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

Have you sought treatment for your condition?

Actually some areas of the West Bank are still controlled by Israel. For instance, 80% of Hebron is controlled by Palestine and 20% by Israel. There are 3 areas in the West Bank, reflecting varying degrees of control.

 

[Humanity]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Are you aware that Israel does not occupy Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

Have you sought treatment for your condition?

I am aware that Israel does not occupy any of Gaza... Simply maintains control over air, land and sea.

Israel occupies WB, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem...

Irrefutable facts that everyone seems to accept, including Supreme Court of Israel...

 

[Penelope]

Bleipriester, Roudy, et al,

As a coherent political policy concerning Palestine (the 1988 State of), Israel does not have a real firm future objective.

While the various political parties have their individual agendas, and positions, a collectively Israeli Foreign Policy really has not been formulated.

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

(COMMENT)

The Israelis agree on the need to survive the long standing Arab Palestinian objective to evict the Jewish State. But much beyond that, the Israelis still are debating the future of their state and how it will develop regional relations.

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.

As of yet, there is no reasonable expectation that any agreement made today with the Arab Palestinian will be honored for any length of time. The past history and behaviors of the Arab Palestinian has demonstrated that any agreed upon peace will be short term until the Arab Palestinians as mustered enough military might and political support to make another act of aggression to (in their eyes) liberate the territorial boundaries they consider their sovereign right; even though they have nothing that grants them that sovereign right.

The Arab Palestinians have made a solemn oath to continue the conflict until they liberate what they consider as Palestine. And until they abdicate that oath, they can be expected to be contained.

Most Respectfully,
R

Even Arafat wasn't negotiating in good faith, which is why the peace deal during Clinton's years fell apart. It hasn't been as much about establishing this mythical Palestine, as much as the desire to destroy the Jewish state. At its heart this conflict is about religious ideology and will remain so.

There is no jewish state.

Israel is a Jewish state and will always be. Deal with it, you asylum escapee.

Israel has not and is not and will not be a "jewish" state. From what I read its a secular state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas is training 25,000 new fighters in gaza

Their way of planning for peace????

"Si vis pacem, para bellum".

Then why is the arab world so afraid that Israel might have a nuclear weapon?
Why do they object to Israel arming and controlling it's border and building fences and wall?
Why object to Israel controlling the 'free' flow of weapons into gaza?

they too are prepared if gaza attacks again

Gaza does not have the right to form it's own army. Any authorization for that would come from the PA.

Please don't give me that nonsense of gaza be voted to government. They were voted for seats in parliament, not to unilaterally take actions of military force or triggering a war with Israel. Gaza was taken by force.
Hamas' actions should have nullified any participation in parliament.
PLO renounced terrorism in 1988. Hamas is viewed as a terrorist group even by the PLO and is not a member.
Hamas does not have the right to act without parliaments approval.

Gaza does not have the legal authority to 'prepare for war'. They should not be armed at all.
It does not have a right to act on it's own at all

Hamas does not have the right to act without parliaments approval.​

Neither do the Fatah forces ruling the West Bank. But that is another story for another day.

Palestine has no army. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. are civilian militias. They are civilians defending their country.

What does the Geneva Conventions say about civilians defending their country? Interesting question.

 

[Coyote]

Thread has been cleaned a second time and warnings issued. Posts in IP must have (sufficient) content related to the topic in addition to any insults. If your post is simply a vehicle to lob insults then take it to the FLAME ZONE.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Are you aware that Israel does not occupy Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

Have you sought treatment for your condition?

I am aware that Israel does not occupy any of Gaza... Simply maintains control over air, land and sea.

Israel occupies WB, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem...

Irrefutable facts that everyone seems to accept, including Supreme Court of Israel...

I think Hollie means that the WB, GH and East Jerusalem are all part of Eretz Yisrael, the ancient Land of Israel.

 

[Hollie]

A link to what doesn't exist?

You suffer from Shaken Baby Syndrome, right?

Do you believe that the Supreme Court of Israel is telling lies then when they say that Israel a "belligerent occupier"?

Are you aware that Israel does not occupy Gaza'istan or the West Bank?

Have you sought treatment for your condition?

I am aware that Israel does not occupy any of Gaza... Simply maintains control over air, land and sea.

Israel occupies WB, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem...

Irrefutable facts that everyone seems to accept, including Supreme Court of Israel...

Israel controls portions of the West Bank as do the islamics. You have no issue with islamist occupation.

Golan was seized as result of a failed war of aggression by Islamics.

Since when is East Jerusalem an Islamist waqf?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bleipriester, Roudy, et al,

As a coherent political policy concerning Palestine (the 1988 State of), Israel does not have a real firm future objective.

While the various political parties have their individual agendas, and positions, a collectively Israeli Foreign Policy really has not been formulated.

It's in their charter. No peace agreements. Treaties are to be used to decieve the Zionist entity in order to be able to rearm.

Israels long term agenda is the end of a Palestine area, so why should any Palestinian consider serious agreements with Israel?

(COMMENT)

The Israelis agree on the need to survive the long standing Arab Palestinian objective to evict the Jewish State. But much beyond that, the Israelis still are debating the future of their state and how it will develop regional relations.

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.

As of yet, there is no reasonable expectation that any agreement made today with the Arab Palestinian will be honored for any length of time. The past history and behaviors of the Arab Palestinian has demonstrated that any agreed upon peace will be short term until the Arab Palestinians as mustered enough military might and political support to make another act of aggression to (in their eyes) liberate the territorial boundaries they consider their sovereign right; even though they have nothing that grants them that sovereign right.

The Arab Palestinians have made a solemn oath to continue the conflict until they liberate what they consider as Palestine. And until they abdicate that oath, they can be expected to be contained.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Arab Palestinians have formulated a long-term foreign policy based on the re-acquisition of the territory they believe is "their territory" as outlined by the Palestine Order in Council; within the boundaries determined by the Principal Allied Powers on the surrender of the Ottoman Empire. This has not changed substantially since 1948. And this is the contention the Israelis are still dealing with today.​

Why should the Palestinians change their policies.

There is no law demanding that they cede land to foreign colonizers.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bleipriester, et al,

To a point, I agree.

Palestinians and Israelis have the same rights regarding an own nation. If the two parties are unable to resolve their dispute, we have the UN that is up to act and make sure, the rights of both peoples are considered.

(COMMENT)

I believe that your position is --- in part --- true. But that it is not necessarily up to the UN to intervene and resolve the issues.

States shall accordingly seek early and just settlement of their international disputes by negotiation, inquiry, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, judicial settlement, resort to regional agencies or arrangements or other peaceful means of their choice. In seeking such a settlement the parties shall agree upon such peaceful means as may be appropriate to the circumstances and nature of the dispute. General Assembly Resolution 2625 (XXV).
​

However, I do not believe that the Arab Palestinian or the State of Palestine (1988) actually adheres to or follows the basic tenants in this regard:

General Assembly Resolution 2625 (XXV). Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States

Every State has the duty to refrain in its international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations. Such a threat or use of force constitutes a violation of international law and the Charter of the United Nations and shall never be employed as a means of settling international issues.

In accordance with the purposes and principles of the United Nations, States have the duty to refrain from propaganda for wars of aggression.

Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States.
​

It must also be remembered that Israel never invaded or Occupied the Palestinian Territory. In 1967, the West Bank was sovereign Jordanian territory (not Palestinian Territory) --- and resolved by Treaty in 1994. Similarly, in 1967, the Gaza Strip was an Egyptian Military Governorship, with the All Palestine Government having been dissolved in 1959. This dispute was also resolved by a Peace Treaty in 1979. In the one case, Israel occupied Jordanian Territory; in the other case Israel occupied Egyptian Territory.

The disputes were mediated through the twin agreements known as the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements (AKA: Oslo I) and the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (AKA: Oslo II).

At the current time, there is no reasonable expectation that either side will make the necessary break-through to achieve peace. The current policy of the Arab Palestinians set by Political Branch of HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) is that the HAMAS Covenant is still in force and that HAMAS does not recognize of "The State of Israel" or the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

You are basing your post on the false premise that this is an international conflict.