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How do you know how much tax I avoid?Get better at tax avoidance before I start claiming, only fools and horses should Have to work and pay taxes, just so they can complain about it.even funnier from a guy who complains about taxes.whiner. get better at tax avoidance like the poor, and Mr. Trump.So what you are saying is that we taxpayers are in a hostage situation. How pathetic.
All the reasons you listed for having children are personal choices--not unavoidable ones. So let's go through your list:
Don't you think that working people have biological urges? Of course we do, but we control those urges because of our income.
Don't you think that working people seek fulfillment through children? Of course we do, but again, if the income isn't there, we do without that fulfillment.
Don't you think that working people face the same societal pressures? Of course we do, but we choose responsibility instead.
Don't you think that working people feel that children are the next step in a relationship? Of course many do, but if you can't afford that next step, you stay at the step you are at.
Don't you think that some working people may consider children for future support? Of course we do, but instead, we take that money we would have otherwise used to bring up children and start an IRA account.
There are differences between needs and wants. Stealing taxpayer money for wants is selfish. Nobody needs to have kids. I never had any, and many other responsible people never had kids either. Even Rush Limbaugh, with all his millions, stated he never had children because he was afraid it would interfere with his success.
If working people can do without these desires, so can the non-working. Demanding taxpayer funded desires is inexcusable.
funny coming from a guy who doesn't have an income
Hey at least I pay taxes
if you actually paid any taxes you'd complain too
I don't have to care; you are complaining about taxes. Only fools and horses should have to do that; the rest, simply get better at tax avoidance, so they don't have to complain about taxes.How do you know how much tax I avoid?Get better at tax avoidance before I start claiming, only fools and horses should Have to work and pay taxes, just so they can complain about it.even funnier from a guy who complains about taxes.whiner. get better at tax avoidance like the poor, and Mr. Trump.
funny coming from a guy who doesn't have an income
Hey at least I pay taxes
if you actually paid any taxes you'd complain too
Funny how I'm not working right now but I am making money because I have other people working for me and you are not working and making no money other than the allowance your mama gives you
We should create similar requirements for any government program where recipients are getting more than they pay in. Parents utilizing public schools, for example, should be required to do a certain number of hours of public service each year. Truckers who use the highways, Social Security recipients who have drawn for too many years. Basically all the 'takers'.
I haven't complained abut taxes in this thread have II don't have to care; you are complaining about taxes. Only fools and horses should have to do that; the rest, simply get better at tax avoidance, so they don't have to complain about taxes.How do you know how much tax I avoid?Get better at tax avoidance before I start claiming, only fools and horses should Have to work and pay taxes, just so they can complain about it.even funnier from a guy who complains about taxes.funny coming from a guy who doesn't have an income
Hey at least I pay taxes
if you actually paid any taxes you'd complain too
Funny how I'm not working right now but I am making money because I have other people working for me and you are not working and making no money other than the allowance your mama gives you
Community service for the use of public schools??!!We should create similar requirements for any government program where recipients are getting more than they pay in. Parents utilizing public schools, for example, should be required to do a certain number of hours of public service each year. Truckers who use the highways, Social Security recipients who have drawn for too many years. Basically all the 'takers'.
That is absurd! Parents as well as people without kids PAY TAXES to support a free public education system which is mandated!You complain about taxes all the time. Glad you have decided to quit.I haven't complained abut taxes in this thread have II don't have to care; you are complaining about taxes. Only fools and horses should have to do that; the rest, simply get better at tax avoidance, so they don't have to complain about taxes.How do you know how much tax I avoid?Get better at tax avoidance before I start claiming, only fools and horses should Have to work and pay taxes, just so they can complain about it.even funnier from a guy who complains about taxes.
Hey at least I pay taxes
if you actually paid any taxes you'd complain too
Funny how I'm not working right now but I am making money because I have other people working for me and you are not working and making no money other than the allowance your mama gives you
No I haven't.
I pay what I am legally obligated to pay but that doesn't mean our tax code is fair does it?
This guy VANDALSHANDLE is as phony as they come. Typical liberal. He is in fact indifferent to the plight of the poor. It is all about asserting his virtue publicly. What they never get is that smart people understand his position is neither virtuous nor beneficial to the helpless creatures on whose behalf they claim to advocate and despise him for it. And dumb people are indifferent to his virtue, but they sense his condescension and hate him for it.If you don't take any steps towards ending child poverty, then it's never going to end, and in fact, will only get worse.
The key to ending poverty children is poverty people not having them in the first place. But as long as we continue to provide for them, lowlifes will keep having more poverty children.
In an effort to have a painless solution, you only make matters worse. In other words, if we started a program to end government support for children in poverty 30 years ago, do you think we would have as many of them as we do today?
I understand you can't answer that question honestly with me, but answer it honestly for yourself.
Moral responsibility doesn't come from government--it comes from individuals themselves.
Well, you insulted my intelligence, anyway, with your asinine plan to end poverty, by letting kids go hungry. Oh, well...
I never said that. What I said is if the parent is not responsible enough to provide for a child, that child should be removed from the home and put up for adoption. If we did it that way, it would take away the incentive for poor people having more poor children.
Would you approve of your neighbor allowing his dog to have puppies just so he could put them in the microwave and torture them? If not, why would you approve of us giving incentives for poor people to create more poor children?
I'm not going through all that again. I responded to the adoption thing in post 152 and 157, for which you offered no rebuttal.
Good choice on your part.
You are a caseworker? Just a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing they don't tell YOU that's why they got knocked up.Absolutely true, and I have first hand knowledge of one case, while the practice is well-known in the hood.In the hood, women have children specifically to get a larger apartment.Let's say we have a Mom and two kids. So Gross income would be a whopping $21000/yr less FICA of $1125 we have a take home pay of $19,875 or $1656/mo. The average cost of 1 bedroom apartment in largest 200 cities in the US is $1,025 leaving $631 a month or $147/week to live on. Now if Mom is really smart, extremely frugal, she just might be able to buy groceries and pay utilities, walk miles to works instead of paying $4/day to ride the bus, convince the teachers to provide schools supplies and miscellaneous expense for the kids, never buy new clothes for the family, never go to a dentist, a barbershop or a hair salon, never drink, never smoke, never pay credit card interest, and certainly not squander money on toys for the kids, Christmas, birthdays, entertainment, etc..
The problem is most people that can't seem to find a job and are living on welfare are not that smart. Most have vices. They drink, smoke, or do drugs and certainly aren't very frugal. They throw their money away on stuff for the kids, don't know how to really budget, run out of money, and then borrow at a high interest rates.
So while this plan fits the 1% of those on government subsidies, what happens to the other 99%?
The question would then be why would somebody have children when they don't make enough money to have them?
You don't have to be "not that smart" to understand you are unable to make the kind of money to support a family. In fact, even if you are completely dumb, you kind of figure that out.
The "not so smart" people have figured out we don't let people do without in this country, so they are careless or perhaps even intentionally have children they know they can't afford. Because they are not that smart, they don't understand where the help or money comes from, just that it does.
You people on the left want to address the problems after they happen--not before. Don't worry about being proactive, worry about the problems we have in front of us, and let people continue to make more of those problems.
Not true.
It's not true and I have 32 years and more than 5,000 cases that say different.
You started it.This guy VANDALSHANDLE is as phony as they come. Typical liberal. He is in fact indifferent to the plight of the poor. It is all about asserting his virtue publicly. What they never get is that smart people understand his position is neither virtuous nor beneficial to the helpless creatures on whose behalf they claim to advocate and despise him for it. And dumb people are indifferent to his virtue, but they sense his condescension and hate him for it.Well, you insulted my intelligence, anyway, with your asinine plan to end poverty, by letting kids go hungry. Oh, well...
I never said that. What I said is if the parent is not responsible enough to provide for a child, that child should be removed from the home and put up for adoption. If we did it that way, it would take away the incentive for poor people having more poor children.
Would you approve of your neighbor allowing his dog to have puppies just so he could put them in the microwave and torture them? If not, why would you approve of us giving incentives for poor people to create more poor children?
I'm not going through all that again. I responded to the adoption thing in post 152 and 157, for which you offered no rebuttal.
Good choice on your part.
Now, cnelson, that is downright unfriendly of you!
Surely, you don't eat this shit everyday.[/QUOTE]
That's a common leftist ploy. When someone complains of rampant abuse of something, the left responds, "Well the law says that abuse is illegal" as if that alone answers the charge and somehow magically "disappears" said abuse. So dishonest, the left.so no one gets any welfare money for more than 5 years total in their life time?How does volunteering for a charity reduce poverty?
Seems that you idiots have forgotten that one can only receive welfare for 5 years total. You have forgotten that you can only get if for 2 years consecutively at any time. Then you're gone for a year whether you have a job or not. And I guess that those PFCS in our military who work and put their lives on the line for this country in our stupid ass wars we don't need to fight just need to re arrange their mindsets because they live in poverty.
You will not end poverty by just telling people to go find a job. The job must pay enough for people to not live in poverty. So how about we provide a national living wage of 15 dollars per hour with price increase freezes on businesses.
That is obviously wrong
and tell me how increasing the cost of business by increasing labor costs all while preventing businesses from raising the prices of goods and services will result in more jobs.
What happens when the cost of running a business is greater than the revenue of that business?
can you tell me that?
Well unless the law that was passed in the 90's has been repealed the fact is that there is a 5 year lifetime total for welfare.
Simple, the owner reduces the amount of the profit they take home for themselves.
A business must make a certain amount of money before they have to pay the minimum wage. Do you know how much that is?
You guys talk all this business shit but you know little to nothing about business.
It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:
Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS
Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.
According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”
The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.
Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.
“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.
According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.
“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...
I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.
This is great!
Now all that Georgia needs to do is start a "Pay 'em enough that they don't need food stamps" program!
That's not the responsibility of the state, that's the responsibility of the individual. If you don't make enough money, YOU do something about it. Don't expect government to force people to pay you more than your labor is worth.
And they could live in a friends garage, move in with elderly parents, or maybe just live under a bridge, all just great options for the kids. Most families living on government subsidies, are already living in rather cramped surrounding.The answer is they get a roommate or share a houseLet's say we have a Mom and two kids. So Gross income would be a whopping $21000/yr less FICA of $1125 we have a take home pay of $19,875 or $1656/mo. The average cost of 1 bedroom apartment in largest 200 cities in the US is $1,025 leaving $631 a month or $147/week to live on. Now if Mom is really smart, extremely frugal, she just might be able to buy groceries and pay utilities, walk miles to works instead of paying $4/day to ride the bus, convince the teachers to provide schools supplies and miscellaneous expense for the kids, never buy new clothes for the family, never go to a dentist, a barbershop or a hair salon, never drink, never smoke, never pay credit card interest, and certainly not squander money on toys for the kids, Christmas, birthdays, entertainment, etc..It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:
Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS
Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.
According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”
The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.
Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.
“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.
According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.
“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...
I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.
Gingrich offered this solution:
Newt refers to a proposal by Peter Ferrara, who was in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Ronald Reagan. The proposal goes like this:
Block grants would still be provided to the states, and states would guarantee a day’s work assignment (paying the minimum wage) to everyone who reports to their local welfare office before 9:00 a.m.
According to Newt, “The welfare office would provide free daycare for participants’ small children”, and the children would “receive medical care and treatment when necessary” (page 190).
Moreover, those working a certain number of hours would receive a Medicaid voucher for private health insurance as well as housing assistance so they could purchase a home. They would also receive the earned-income tax credit. Newt also affirms that the disabled would be trained for some line of work.
Based on minimum wage of $7.25, or $15,000 for a full year’s work, plus EITC, which is $3,000 with one child, and $5,000 with two, plus $1,000 per child tax credit. This plus the in-kind transfers of child care and health care, are an adequate safety net. “What I like about this proposal is that it would give welfare recipients work experience and job skills rather than setting welfare against work.” Newt Gingrich’s To Save America 7: Welfare Reform, Health Care
- The system would also end all incentives for having children outside of marriage, as a parent would have to work to support a child.
The problem is most people that can't seem to find a job and are living on welfare are not that smart. Most have vices. They drink, smoke, or do drugs and certainly aren't very frugal. They throw their money away on stuff for the kids, don't know how to really budget, run out of money, and then borrow at a high interest rates.
So while this plan fits the 1% of those on government subsidies, what happens to the other 99%?
If you cannot afford to live on your own by yourself then you find another party to share with you and reducethe expenses
You Don't Demand that the rest of us pay for you so that you can have a place all to yourself. That solitude is a result of achievement and not an entitlement
Move them to Chicago. Chances are another black will gun them down within a few months.The only cure for low IQ "people of color" poverty is mandatory sterilization. There are exceptions and they should be allowed to have drunk sex.
Community service for the use of public schools??!!We should create similar requirements for any government program where recipients are getting more than they pay in. Parents utilizing public schools, for example, should be required to do a certain number of hours of public service each year. Truckers who use the highways, Social Security recipients who have drawn for too many years. Basically all the 'takers'.
End our War on Drugs to pay for welfare!
why repeat historical mistakes. 1929 already happened.End our War on Drugs to pay for welfare!
give the money back to the people that have been paying for it
It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:
Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS
Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.
According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”
The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.
Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.
“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.
According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.
“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...
I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.
This is great!
Now all that Georgia needs to do is start a "Pay 'em enough that they don't need food stamps" program!
That's not the responsibility of the state, that's the responsibility of the individual. If you don't make enough money, YOU do something about it. Don't expect government to force people to pay you more than your labor is worth.
If people got paid what their labor was actually worth, there wouldn't be any wealthy people.
it's never a mistake to let working people keep more of their own moneywhy repeat historical mistakes. 1929 already happened.End our War on Drugs to pay for welfare!
give the money back to the people that have been paying for it
It's called making people work, train, or volunteer while on food stamps:
Thousands Cured Of Poverty After Georgia Introduces Work-For-Food-Stamp Requirement – MILO NEWS
Thousands of people have been miraculously cured of poverty in Georgia following the state’s implementation of a requirement that all those receiving stamps must either be working, training for a job, or volunteering for a non-profit or charity.
According to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, “Georgia has been rolling out work requirements for food stamp recipients for over a year.”
The outlet states that the latest rollout saw the requirements reach 21 counties, affecting roughly 12,000 able-bodied people without children.
Those people were given until April 1 to fulfil the aforementioned requirement. But when that date rolled around, The Journal-Constitution, citing state figures, reports that more than half of the food stamp recipients were dropped from the program.
“Essentially, the number of recipients spiraled down from 11,779 to 4,528, or a drop of 62 percent,” the outlet states.
According to The Journal-Constitution Georgian officials are looking at expanding the food stamp requirements to all 159 counties in the state by 2019.
“The greater good is people being employed, being productive, and contributing to the state,” said Bobby Cagle, head of Georgia’s Division of Family and Children Services, according to the outlet...
I've long said that any long-term people on welfare should be required to work in the fields or volunteer 20 hours per week for a government or non-profit agency unless they have a serious and medically-documented condition that precludes them from doing so. We should roll this program out nationwide.
This is great!
Now all that Georgia needs to do is start a "Pay 'em enough that they don't need food stamps" program!
That's not the responsibility of the state, that's the responsibility of the individual. If you don't make enough money, YOU do something about it. Don't expect government to force people to pay you more than your labor is worth.
If people got paid what their labor was actually worth, there wouldn't be any wealthy people.
And if there were no wealthy people, there would be nobody TO pay you.
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