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I drive a $2000 car and it runs and looks great. It's used. Only morons buy new cars.
I bought a brand new Saturn for $14k in 1998 and I had it until 2010. Sounds pretty smart to me, dumb ass.
I drive a $2000 car and it runs and looks great. It's used. Only morons buy new cars.
I bought a brand new Saturn for $14k in 1998 and I had it until 2010. Sounds pretty smart to me, dumb ass.
A Saturn, and you only kept it 12 years?
Whoever you sold it to is the one who got the deal, methinks. I bought my Saturn 12 years old with over 200,000 miles on it, which I took to be a record of reliable performance. And I was right, because I've put another 200,000 of my own on.
I paid $1100 -- somebody else paid for the depreciation.
I drive a $2000 car and it runs and looks great. It's used. Only morons buy new cars.
I bought a brand new Saturn for $14k in 1998 and I had it until 2010. Sounds pretty smart to me, dumb ass.
A Saturn, and you only kept it 12 years?
Whoever you sold it to is the one who got the deal, methinks. I bought my Saturn 12 years old with over 200,000 miles on it, which I took to be a record of reliable performance. And I was right, because I've put another 200,000 of my own on.
I paid $1100 -- somebody else paid for the depreciation.
I bought a brand new Saturn for $14k in 1998 and I had it until 2010. Sounds pretty smart to me, dumb ass.
A Saturn, and you only kept it 12 years?
Whoever you sold it to is the one who got the deal, methinks. I bought my Saturn 12 years old with over 200,000 miles on it, which I took to be a record of reliable performance. And I was right, because I've put another 200,000 of my own on.
I paid $1100 -- somebody else paid for the depreciation.
Well it was supposed to be the car company of the future. what happpened? my brother had a Saturn but I thought it was a joint venture with Mitsubishi.
Is GM trying to sell the car here?
GM and many other companies make cars marketed for other countries with no plans to ever sell them in the US.
I bought a new Toyota in 1998 and am still driving it. Since I was planning on having it for at least a decade it was nice peace of mind knowing exactly how it has been driven, that the oil was always changed, etc. the entire history of the car is me. Maybe I could have saved a bit on annual car ownership costs by buying it used but over a 15 year span it isn't really significant.I bought a brand new Toyota in the year 2000, I'm still driving it. That makes me very smart and not a "moron." Do the math.
I'm fine with people buying used cars and agree it can make good financial sense, but you went completely off the rails here.New car not only depreciate by half on signing, but the owner is forever a slave to the dealership or mechanic for even the most routine repair.
I drive a $2000 car and it runs and looks great. It's used. Only morons buy new cars.
GM?s $9,800 Car . . . The One We?re Not Allowed to Buy |
Posted on June 6, 2013
How much is the EPA and DOT costing you?
One way to quantify this is to consider a car GM builds but which you cant buy. Well, not unless you move outside the United States and beyond the diktats and fatwas of the EPA and DOT.
It is called the Sail and GM makes it in China. It retails for 60,000 yuan equivalent to about $9,800 in federal reserve notes.
Demand for the car is so great that GM plans to increase its exports of the Sail to countries like Chile and Ecuador by nearly 70 percent, according to a recent Reuters article (see here).
It just wont be exported here.
Those two federal agencies mentioned at the beginning of this story. These unelected and unaccountable bureaucracies have made it illegal a criminal offense to sell you a car like the Sail. Which, by the way, is neither primitive nor pathetic. The most recent design is a modern and aesthetically appealing sedan or five-door hatchback wagon with a Corvette-inspired dual cockpit dash layout. The car has AC, power windows, power door mirrors and a modern stereo with Bluetooth wireless and music streaming. It even has a leather-wrapped steering wheel.
It would look at home on any road and in any garage in the Western world.
/QUOTE]
got a 2010 Chevy cobalt
it does over 40 mpg
in the summer
on 87 octane
little less if i use the corn squeezing additives
GM gives us all sorts of useless features on cars like turn signals in the side mirrors so they can charge more, and distracting features like fancy audio systems and net access to cause crashes and thus sell more cars.
They could make a simple practical car for $10,000 but it's more profitable to sell junk esp since the idiot consumer has been brainwashed into wanting crap.
sedan or five-door hatchback wagon with a Corvette-inspired dual cockpit dash layout. The car has AC, power windows, power door mirrors and a modern stereo with Bluetooth wireless and music streaming. It even has a leather-wrapped steering wheel.
If anyone here is interested in the truth, the car could meet US EPA standards AND minimum legal standards and be sold in the USA for about the same price.
I have...and buying a new car is a loser, every time.
Good for you. Looks like i'm finally getting thru that thick skull of yours and you're thinking like i do. Congrats.
Kia sells a great vehicle at a bargain basement price. We purchased a NEW one in April, and it gets great gas mileage, has all the bells and whistles, and rides and drives like a vehicle twice the price. We paid under $17,000 for it.
It's called the KIA SOUL.
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But it would be nice if GM got off the SUV mentality (and if moron buyers stopped enabling it) and gave us a version of this car. It's gotta start with us though; if we want practical autos, let's quit buying the inverted bathtubs just because Big Auto tells us to.
GM gives us all sorts of useless features on cars like turn signals in the side mirrors so they can charge more, and distracting features like fancy audio systems and net access to cause crashes and thus sell more cars.
They could make a simple practical car for $10,000 but it's more profitable to sell junk esp since the idiot consumer has been brainwashed into wanting crap.
Holy crap. I just had to put a "thanks" on a ShootSpeeders post. That's never happened before. But it's gotta be did, because he's right.
Heated side-view mirrors... cameras to back up by (cameras!)... electrically operated fan vent movers...
One time I did a car rental and ordered the smallest car but because it was Christmas and my birthday they gave me a Lincoln Town Car for ten bucks a day. It was educational to see what kind of inane crap they come up with -- this Town Car actually had a switch that electrically moves the accelerator pedal fore and aft so that the driver doesn't have to move his seat
Got to go with SS on this one.
I bought my 89 f-150 in 2003 for $700...and I've but 100,000 miles on it on top of the 100K it had in it when I bought it...maybe $2000 in non-regular maintenance repair doing it myself...and it still does what a brand new truck does.
Now I'm looking at going the other way...back into the 70's to find another Highboy or F-100.
My wife drives a pristine '93 Park Avenue that we paid $3000 for...but the engine has no distributor, no carburetor, no valve adjustment...even changing the spark plugs is challenging.
New car not only depreciate by half on signing, but the owner is forever a slave to the dealership or mechanic for even the most routine repair.
I have a 68 VW Beetle that is going to replace that Buick as soon as I get around to sprucin' her up a bit. I paid $600 for her and will likely put $3000 or more into getting her up to wifely standards...but you can fix a VW 1600cc engine by accident.
If anyone here is interested in the truth, the car could meet US EPA standards AND minimum legal standards and be sold in the USA for about the same price.
Curious = what standards does it not currently meet?
GM?s $9,800 Car . . . The One We?re Not Allowed to Buy |
Posted on June 6, 2013
How much is the EPA and DOT costing you?
One way to quantify this is to consider a car GM builds but which you cant buy. Well, not unless you move outside the United States and beyond the diktats and fatwas of the EPA and DOT.
It is called the Sail and GM makes it in China. It retails for 60,000 yuan equivalent to about $9,800 in federal reserve notes.
Demand for the car is so great that GM plans to increase its exports of the Sail to countries like Chile and Ecuador by nearly 70 percent, according to a recent Reuters article (see here).
It just wont be exported here.
Those two federal agencies mentioned at the beginning of this story. These unelected and unaccountable bureaucracies have made it illegal a criminal offense to sell you a car like the Sail. Which, by the way, is neither primitive nor pathetic. The most recent design is a modern and aesthetically appealing sedan or five-door hatchback wagon with a Corvette-inspired dual cockpit dash layout. The car has AC, power windows, power door mirrors and a modern stereo with Bluetooth wireless and music streaming. It even has a leather-wrapped steering wheel.
It would look at home on any road and in any garage in the Western world.
/QUOTE]
Since emission standards are set by Congress and implemented by the EPA to the standards Congress sets, how is Obama responsible for this, exactly?
And, by the way, would you prefer to live in the kind of toxic soup Chinese live in? We once did, back before environmental legislation and government agencies like the EPA, but we got smart. I guess you didn't get the memo that the rest of us don't want to return to the "good ol' days" when Los Angeles smelled like rotten fruit and the sky turned brown before the end of the work day.
I bought a brand new Toyota in the year 2000, I'm still driving it. That makes me very smart and not a "moron." Do the math.
GM gives us all sorts of useless features on cars like turn signals in the side mirrors so they can charge more, and distracting features like fancy audio systems and net access to cause crashes and thus sell more cars.
They could make a simple practical car for $10,000 but it's more profitable to sell junk esp since the idiot consumer has been brainwashed into wanting crap.
Holy crap. I just had to put a "thanks" on a ShootSpeeders post. That's never happened before. But it's gotta be did, because he's right.
Heated side-view mirrors... cameras to back up by (cameras!)... electrically operated fan vent movers...
Heated mirrors are a safety feature. I have owned three cars with them (2 Caprices & my Magnum) and REALLY miss them on my Jeep. Note: the truck I drive at work is a Ryder rental, built as cheap as possible. (It has crank windows, manual everything, not even a tilt column.) It has heated mirrors. Honestly, I could make a pretty good case for REQUIRING them, at least on trucks!
I drive a $2000 car and it runs and looks great. It's used. Only morons buy new cars.
GM?s $9,800 Car . . . The One We?re Not Allowed to Buy |
Posted on June 6, 2013
How much is the EPA and DOT costing you?
One way to quantify this is to consider a car GM builds but which you cant buy. Well, not unless you move outside the United States and beyond the diktats and fatwas of the EPA and DOT.
It is called the Sail and GM makes it in China. It retails for 60,000 yuan equivalent to about $9,800 in federal reserve notes.
Demand for the car is so great that GM plans to increase its exports of the Sail to countries like Chile and Ecuador by nearly 70 percent, according to a recent Reuters article (see here).
It just wont be exported here.
Those two federal agencies mentioned at the beginning of this story. These unelected and unaccountable bureaucracies have made it illegal a criminal offense to sell you a car like the Sail. Which, by the way, is neither primitive nor pathetic. The most recent design is a modern and aesthetically appealing sedan or five-door hatchback wagon with a Corvette-inspired dual cockpit dash layout. The car has AC, power windows, power door mirrors and a modern stereo with Bluetooth wireless and music streaming. It even has a leather-wrapped steering wheel.
It would look at home on any road and in any garage in the Western world.
/QUOTE]
got a 2010 Chevy cobalt
it does over 40 mpg
in the summer
on 87 octane
little less if i use the corn squeezing additives
I liked the Cobalt. I used to ask for them when I had to rent cars after mine was drowned in Katrina and before I got the Saturn.
Here's a resource to avoid the ethanol...
I used this last week to do a 2000 mile trip from here though New England and Canada and back, not easy areas to find unadulterated gas. I didn't use a drop of corn the whole way
