Good Guys With Guns

[BasicHumanUnit]

Then you should have no problem with laws that make it a LOT harder for criminals to get guns.

Problem is.....your kind considers law abiding citizens the criminals and the real criminals as useful tools for your agendas

 

[2aguy]

Most Americans want tougher gun laws. That number would be higher if Americans realized how lax our gun laws are.

AP-NORC poll: Most in US say they want stricter gun laws

Most U.S. adults want to see gun laws made stricter and think gun violence is increasing nationwide.

apnews.com

The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.

The poll was conducted between July 28 and Aug. 1, after a string of deadly mass shootings — from a New York grocery store to a school in Texas and a July 4 parade in Illinois — and a 2020 spike in gun killings that have increased attention on the issue of gun violence. Overall, 8 in 10 Americans perceive that gun violence is increasing around the country, and about two-thirds say it’s increasing in their state, though less than half believe it’s increasing in their community, the poll shows.



Hard core ammosexuals like you aren't "normal". Normal people would have no problem with background checks because they'd come up clean.

I compare the $11.00 application for a FOID Card compared to the practical economic colonoscopy I got when I applied for a mortgage on my Condo.

Understandable. The banks lost a lot of money when the housing market collapsed in 2008, and they want to make sure I was good for the loan.

The gun industry isn't interested in only "normal" people getting guns... Because once you take out the fear of crime, most people sensibly wouldn't want one in their house.

So the gun industry has a vested interest in bad guys getting guns.



Civil liability is separate from crime, dude. You can be sued civilly for negligence without having committed a crime.



No, it's protect victims of domestic violence... like this lady.

Days after getting restraining order, woman shot dead by her child's father in Avondale: JPSO

Ronnika Richburg went to court and obtained a restraining order last week in an attempt to protect herself from the father of her child, records show.

www.nola.com

and this lady...

Victim asked twice for protection orders against man accused of killing her, her daughter

Lindsay Daum tried to ban Javier Acevedo from having a gun. A court in Larimer County denied a permanent protection order twice.

www.9news.com

Moron......they poll people who have no idea what the gun laws are or how they would work........

 

[2aguy]

Which wouldn't have happened if there wasn't a war.

They rounded up civilians, in occupied countries......countries that were no longer in combat with them. They rounded up 15 million people all around Europe and murdered them.

 

[2aguy]

Most Americans want tougher gun laws. That number would be higher if Americans realized how lax our gun laws are.

AP-NORC poll: Most in US say they want stricter gun laws

Most U.S. adults want to see gun laws made stricter and think gun violence is increasing nationwide.

apnews.com

The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.

The poll was conducted between July 28 and Aug. 1, after a string of deadly mass shootings — from a New York grocery store to a school in Texas and a July 4 parade in Illinois — and a 2020 spike in gun killings that have increased attention on the issue of gun violence. Overall, 8 in 10 Americans perceive that gun violence is increasing around the country, and about two-thirds say it’s increasing in their state, though less than half believe it’s increasing in their community, the poll shows.



Hard core ammosexuals like you aren't "normal". Normal people would have no problem with background checks because they'd come up clean.

I compare the $11.00 application for a FOID Card compared to the practical economic colonoscopy I got when I applied for a mortgage on my Condo.

Understandable. The banks lost a lot of money when the housing market collapsed in 2008, and they want to make sure I was good for the loan.

The gun industry isn't interested in only "normal" people getting guns... Because once you take out the fear of crime, most people sensibly wouldn't want one in their house.

So the gun industry has a vested interest in bad guys getting guns.



Civil liability is separate from crime, dude. You can be sued civilly for negligence without having committed a crime.



No, it's protect victims of domestic violence... like this lady.

Days after getting restraining order, woman shot dead by her child's father in Avondale: JPSO

Ronnika Richburg went to court and obtained a restraining order last week in an attempt to protect herself from the father of her child, records show.

www.nola.com

and this lady...

Victim asked twice for protection orders against man accused of killing her, her daughter

Lindsay Daum tried to ban Javier Acevedo from having a gun. A court in Larimer County denied a permanent protection order twice.

www.9news.com

Nope......what you have there is a failure of the police....Red Flag laws wouldn't have stopped them, those guys should have been in prison....

And instead of being able to get a gun for herself, the odds are she couldn't buy her own gun for when the cops weren't around to protect her.

 

[2aguy]

Most Americans want tougher gun laws. That number would be higher if Americans realized how lax our gun laws are.

AP-NORC poll: Most in US say they want stricter gun laws

Most U.S. adults want to see gun laws made stricter and think gun violence is increasing nationwide.

apnews.com

The poll by the University of Chicago Harris School of Public Policy and The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research shows 71% of Americans say gun laws should be stricter, including about half of Republicans, the vast majority of Democrats and a majority of those in gun-owning households.

The poll was conducted between July 28 and Aug. 1, after a string of deadly mass shootings — from a New York grocery store to a school in Texas and a July 4 parade in Illinois — and a 2020 spike in gun killings that have increased attention on the issue of gun violence. Overall, 8 in 10 Americans perceive that gun violence is increasing around the country, and about two-thirds say it’s increasing in their state, though less than half believe it’s increasing in their community, the poll shows.



Hard core ammosexuals like you aren't "normal". Normal people would have no problem with background checks because they'd come up clean.

I compare the $11.00 application for a FOID Card compared to the practical economic colonoscopy I got when I applied for a mortgage on my Condo.

Understandable. The banks lost a lot of money when the housing market collapsed in 2008, and they want to make sure I was good for the loan.

The gun industry isn't interested in only "normal" people getting guns... Because once you take out the fear of crime, most people sensibly wouldn't want one in their house.

So the gun industry has a vested interest in bad guys getting guns.



Civil liability is separate from crime, dude. You can be sued civilly for negligence without having committed a crime.



No, it's protect victims of domestic violence... like this lady.

Days after getting restraining order, woman shot dead by her child's father in Avondale: JPSO

Ronnika Richburg went to court and obtained a restraining order last week in an attempt to protect herself from the father of her child, records show.

www.nola.com

and this lady...

Victim asked twice for protection orders against man accused of killing her, her daughter

Lindsay Daum tried to ban Javier Acevedo from having a gun. A court in Larimer County denied a permanent protection order twice.

www.9news.com

In the second link, in the fucking title it states the woman asked for a protective order twice and was turned down...in the fucking title you doofus.......your God, "Government," failed her.....and if she had had a gun she could have protected herself and let the police simply collect the dead assholes body.

 

[JoeB131]

Strange, that. Amidst the leftist defund the police, enable the criminals and promote crime policies, Americans have been buying guns at record setting rates due to the leftisexual fascination with promoting crime.

Except no one defunded the Police. In fact, we've increased funding to law enforcement every year.

Yes, Americans buy guns, but it's mostly that 3% of the population where gun ownership is an average of 17 guns per household.

Study: 3% of America Owns 50% of the Country’s Guns

While percentage who own guns has slightly decreased.

www.thedailybeast.com

More gun laws are useless when leftists don't enforce laws. That, of course, is the leftist agenda. They want a disarmed population in furtherance of the socialist / communist regimes of the 20th century and the damage those regimes brought to their populations.

The question is, who isn't enforcing the laws. I already cited the article that the ATF under Trump had numerous incidents of the same gun stores violating the sale of guns to straw buyers or other violations, and didn't have their licences pulled.

Leftist gun laws are intended to crush the law abiding population. Leftists aren't stopping the weekly killings taking place in the Lori Lightfoot dystopia, for just one example. Criminals with Firearms are a leftisexual fetish.

Not sure how you can "stop" it when the gun industry keeps flooding Chicago with guns, fighting gun laws in Chicago in court. It would be like if I broke both of your legs and then mocked you for not running a marathon.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron......they poll people who have no idea what the gun laws are or how they would work........

Most Americans have no idea how lax our gun laws are.

Heck, even I was horrified when I realized how easy it was to get a FOID card. And I follow this issue.

They rounded up civilians, in occupied countries......countries that were no longer in combat with them. They rounded up 15 million people all around Europe and murdered them.

More like 12 million.... and most of those people were turned in by their neighbors. What you really saw in Nazi Germany is that when you demonize minorities and gays, it's a short trip to exterminating them. And which party demonizes minorities and gays today?

Guns, of course, would make no difference in such an equation. They had lots of guns during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and killed a whopping 17 Nazis... before 50,000 were either killed on the spot or deported to the camps to be killed.

Nope......what you have there is a failure of the police....Red Flag laws wouldn't have stopped them, those guys should have been in prison....

And instead of being able to get a gun for herself, the odds are she couldn't buy her own gun for when the cops weren't around to protect her.

We don't have room to put everyone in prison you'd like to put in prison.
We lock up 2 million people.
We have another 7 million on probation, parole, or bail.
We have 100 million Americans with a police record.

Putting them all in jail is not an option.
Taking their guns is.

The rest of the world has figured this out.

In the second link, in the fucking title it states the woman asked for a protective order twice and was turned down...in the fucking title you doofus.......your God, "Government," failed her.....and if she had had a gun she could have protected herself and let the police simply collect the dead assholes body.

Yes, because a non-violent person with a gun is ALWAYS going to out shoot a violent person with a gun.

 

[Hollie]

Except no one defunded the Police. In fact, we've increased funding to law enforcement every year.

Yes, Americans buy guns, but it's mostly that 3% of the population where gun ownership is an average of 17 guns per household.

Study: 3% of America Owns 50% of the Country’s Guns

While percentage who own guns has slightly decreased.

www.thedailybeast.com

The question is, who isn't enforcing the laws. I already cited the article that the ATF under Trump had numerous incidents of the same gun stores violating the sale of guns to straw buyers or other violations, and didn't have their licences pulled.



Not sure how you can "stop" it when the gun industry keeps flooding Chicago with guns, fighting gun laws in Chicago in court. It would be like if I broke both of your legs and then mocked you for not running a marathon.

''no one defunded the police''?

You should email the city of Seattle and let then know about your conspiracy theory. The following is just one example but, guy, pay attention.

Seattle cuts police department budget by nearly 17%

Mayor Jenny Durkan said these "thoughtful reductions" will help "scale up alternatives to policing."

www.nbcnews.com

Gee whiz. That ''Summer of Love'' festival hosted by BLM was such a success.

''Mayor Jenny Durkan said these "thoughtful reductions" will help "scale up alternatives to policing."

How nice. Those ''thoughtful reductions'' had consequences as the criminals were enabled.

Seattle's crime surge spreads statewide thanks to Democrats' progressive policies

Thanks to a Democratic legislature that codified the radical defund police proposals into laws, plus light-on-crime judges, the crime surge hitting Seattle is spreading across the state.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JoeB131]

'no one defunded the police''?

You should email the city of Seattle and let then know about your conspiracy theory. The following is just one example but, guy, pay attention.

It's one poor example.

Despite 'defunding' claims, police funding has increased in many US cities

While some politicians say crime is up because Democrats defunded police, an ABC analysis shows that out of 109 cities examined, most have increased their police budgets.

abcnews.go.com

ABC Owned Television Stations examined the budgets of more than 100 cities and counties and found that 83% are spending at least 2% more on police in 2022 than in 2019.

Of the 109 budgets analyzed, only eight agencies cut police funds by more than 2%, while 91 agencies increased law enforcement funding by at least 2%.

In 49 cities or counties, police funding has increased by more than 10%.

This becomes even more amazing when you realize that state and city budgets were devastated by Covid-19 (AKA Trump Plague) reducing revenues, and forcing other agencies to cut services.

States and cities forced to cut both jobs, services | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Jobs with state and city governments are usually a source of stability in the U.S. economy, but the financial devastation wrought by the coronavirus pandemic has forced cuts that will reduce public services -- from schools to trash pickup.

www.arkansasonline.com

 

[Hollie]

It's one poor example.

Despite 'defunding' claims, police funding has increased in many US cities

While some politicians say crime is up because Democrats defunded police, an ABC analysis shows that out of 109 cities examined, most have increased their police budgets.

abcnews.go.com

ABC Owned Television Stations examined the budgets of more than 100 cities and counties and found that 83% are spending at least 2% more on police in 2022 than in 2019.

Of the 109 budgets analyzed, only eight agencies cut police funds by more than 2%, while 91 agencies increased law enforcement funding by at least 2%.

In 49 cities or counties, police funding has increased by more than 10%.

This becomes even more amazing when you realize that state and city budgets were devastated by Covid-19 (AKA Trump Plague) reducing revenues, and forcing other agencies to cut services.

States and cities forced to cut both jobs, services | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Jobs with state and city governments are usually a source of stability in the U.S. economy, but the financial devastation wrought by the coronavirus pandemic has forced cuts that will reduce public services -- from schools to trash pickup.

www.arkansasonline.com

That's one poor example, intended to deflect. Notice what you posted was dated Oct. 2022. Did you really think such dishonest tactics would go unnoticed?


Let's review the leftisexual policies of defund the police which you insist didn't happen.

Seattle's mayor is set to sign a new city budget cutting the police department's funding by 18% | CNN

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan says she will sign a city government budget that includes an 18% cut to the police department budget.

www.cnn.com

Note the date. November, 2020.



The result?

Report: Seattle's violent crime rate reached 14-year high in 2021, mayor responds

In its 2021 year-end crime report, Seattle Police reported that violent crime in the city has increased by 20% compared to 2020-- which is a 14-year high.

www.q13fox.com

Note the date. 2021.

 

[Hollie]

It's one poor example.

Despite 'defunding' claims, police funding has increased in many US cities

While some politicians say crime is up because Democrats defunded police, an ABC analysis shows that out of 109 cities examined, most have increased their police budgets.

abcnews.go.com

ABC Owned Television Stations examined the budgets of more than 100 cities and counties and found that 83% are spending at least 2% more on police in 2022 than in 2019.

Of the 109 budgets analyzed, only eight agencies cut police funds by more than 2%, while 91 agencies increased law enforcement funding by at least 2%.

In 49 cities or counties, police funding has increased by more than 10%.

This becomes even more amazing when you realize that state and city budgets were devastated by Covid-19 (AKA Trump Plague) reducing revenues, and forcing other agencies to cut services.

States and cities forced to cut both jobs, services | Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Jobs with state and city governments are usually a source of stability in the U.S. economy, but the financial devastation wrought by the coronavirus pandemic has forced cuts that will reduce public services -- from schools to trash pickup.

www.arkansasonline.com

I see. Trump was responsible for covid thus Trump was responsible for leftisexuals defunding police.


Thus is the upside down world of the diseased, leftisexual mind.

 

[JoeB131]

That's one poor example, intended to deflect. Notice what you posted was dated Oct. 2022. Did you really think such dishonest tactics would go unnoticed?

No, I expect you to backpedal, take things out of context, and not really understand the problem.

I see. Trump was responsible for covid thus Trump was responsible for leftisexuals defunding police.

Yes, Trump was completely responsible for Covid through his failed response, and everything that followed.

It's the common tactic.
Republicans fuck things up.
Democrats get elected to fix what Republicans fucked up.
Republicans bitch that Democrats haven't fixed what they fucked up fast enough.

 

[Blues Man]

The entire good guy with a gun argument is 100% irrelevant.

No citizen who legally and responsibly owns firearms is obligated to come to the aid of the public.

 

[Hollie]

No, I expect you to backpedal, take things out of context, and not really understand the problem.



Yes, Trump was completely responsible for Covid through his failed response, and everything that followed.

It's the common tactic.
Republicans fuck things up.
Democrats get elected to fix what Republicans fucked up.
Republicans bitch that Democrats haven't fixed what they fucked up fast enough.

I expected your TDS to cloud your judgment. Appeals to TDS define the debilitating disease that afflicts leftisexuals.

I get it. You're unwilling and unable to accept responsibility for your actions. TDS is a child-like response to being held accountable.

How strange that leftists, you claim, were elected to ''fix'' low inflation, a largely secure border, rising middle class wages, low gas prices and low crime rates.

Leftists ''fixed'' that with raging inflation, an open border, crashing middle class wages, high gas prices, soaring crime rates and a recession.

Why aren't leftist politicians running their campaigns on such terrific accomplishments?

 

[Hollie]

Texas mom jumps into action when burglar breaks into home, opens fire on suspect

Texas mom shot a suspected home burglar from a locked bedroom where she and her children were located. The suspect was located by authorities with a gunshot wound and booked.

www.foxnews.com

 

[miketx]

You mean the gun industry unethically told people "Biden is going to take your guns".

Right after "Obama's gonna take your guns."

Right after "Clinton is going to take your guns".

And like most RW lies, you keep falling for it.

So your man beto didn't say was gonna take our guns? Lying pos.

 

[JoeB131]

How strange that leftists, you claim, were elected to ''fix'' low inflation, a largely secure border, rising middle class wages, low gas prices and low crime rates.

We didn't have to fix them, they didn't exist.

Crime rates hit record highs in 2020. The border wasn't secure.

As for gas prices, they were at 2.60 a gallon in 2019... They dropped due to Covid flatlining demand.

I know you Trump Cultists like to pretend 2020 didn't happen.

 

[Hollie]

We didn't have to fix them, they didn't exist.

Crime rates hit record highs in 2020. The border wasn't secure.

As for gas prices, they were at 2.60 a gallon in 2019... They dropped due to Covid flatlining demand.

I know you Trump Cultists like to pretend 2020 didn't happen.

Strange how the TDS afflicted tend to get befuddled about what they post.

In post #32 you wrote, ''Democrats get elected to fix what Republicans fucked up.''.

How strange that leftist fixes were utter disasters.

leftists, you claim, were elected to ''fix'' low inflation, a largely secure border, rising middle class wages, low gas prices and low crime rates that existed during the Trump administration.... he's a republican, BTW.

Leftists ''fixed'' that with raging inflation, an open border, crashing middle class wages, high gas prices, soaring crime rates and a recession.

Leftist fixing anything more will make their existing fixes even worse.

 

[Hollie]

We didn't have to fix them, they didn't exist.

Crime rates hit record highs in 2020. The border wasn't secure.

As for gas prices, they were at 2.60 a gallon in 2019... They dropped due to Covid flatlining demand.

I know you Trump Cultists like to pretend 2020 didn't happen.

Do you mean crime rates increased in 2020 when leftist mayors and governors allowed BLM to trash, burn and loot cities?

I think President Trump offered help that leftists refused.

Yeah. Like this.

Trump offers to send National Guard to Portland to quell protest violence

President Trump said Saturday that he was prepared to once again send in National Guard troops to cities if asked, following the 86th consecutive night of chaos in Portland, Oregon. “Another …

nypost.com

I know you leftists like to pretend that you're not responsible for the results of your ideology but that's just being childish and naive.

 

[2aguy]

Most Americans have no idea how lax our gun laws are.

Heck, even I was horrified when I realized how easy it was to get a FOID card. And I follow this issue.



More like 12 million.... and most of those people were turned in by their neighbors. What you really saw in Nazi Germany is that when you demonize minorities and gays, it's a short trip to exterminating them. And which party demonizes minorities and gays today?

Guns, of course, would make no difference in such an equation. They had lots of guns during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, and killed a whopping 17 Nazis... before 50,000 were either killed on the spot or deported to the camps to be killed.



We don't have room to put everyone in prison you'd like to put in prison.
We lock up 2 million people.
We have another 7 million on probation, parole, or bail.
We have 100 million Americans with a police record.

Putting them all in jail is not an option.
Taking their guns is.

The rest of the world has figured this out.



Yes, because a non-violent person with a gun is ALWAYS going to out shoot a violent person with a gun.

Our gun laws aren't lax.....the democrat party releasing violent criminals is the problem. The democrat party destroying the police is the problem.

We don't have to lock up everyone, just the violent criminals who use guns to shoot people...we have more than enough prison cells for them....but the democrats just will not keep them locked up.

The Jews didn't have guns in the Warsaw Ghetto....they had a tiny number of them and they still held off the Germans.

50,000 unarmed Jews vs. a tiny number of Germans...Germans with guns...

The Warsaw Ghetto uprising......had they actually been as well armed as the Swiss, had all the peoples in Europe been as well armed as the Swiss, the Germans could never have held the territory they captured......that is what armed citizens do...they discourage aggression...

There were 13,000 Jews killed in the uprising...unarmed......if those 13,000 had rifles, the outcome would have been a lot worse for the Germans.....and had that taken place in every country......World War 2 would have been very different...

A German force was tiny compared to 50,000 Jews.....and yet because they were unarmed...that tiny German force was able to destroy them...

By his own words, Stroop reported that after he took command on 19 April 1943 the forces at his disposal totaled 31 officers and 1,262 men:[51]

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia


Marek Edelman, who was the only surviving uprising commander from the left-wing ŻOB, stated that the ŻOB had 220 fighters and each was armed with a handgun, grenades, and Molotov cocktails. His organization had three rifles in each area, as well as two land mines and one submachine gun.[20][21][22][23] Due to its socialist leanings, the Soviets promoted the actions of ŻOB as the dominant or only party in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, a view often adopted by secondary sources in the West.[18]

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Death toll[edit]

Stroop Report original caption: "Bandits jump to escape capture." A man leaps to his death from the top story window of an apartment block. Taken at 23 and 25 Niska Street[67]

Plaque commemorating Home Armysoldiers - Eugeniusz Morawski ps. "Młodek" and Józef Wilk ps. "Orlik" killed during the Ghetto Action on the wall Church of St. John of God at ul. Bonifraterska 12 in Warsaw.
13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising (some 6,000 among them were burnt alive or died from smoke inhalation). Of the remaining 50,000 residents, most were captured and shipped to concentration and extermination camps, in particular to Treblinka.

Jürgen Stroop's internal SS daily report for Friedrich Krüger, written on 16 May 1943, stated:

180 Jews, bandits and sub-humans, were destroyed. The former Jewish quarter of Warsaw is no longer in existence. The large-scale action was terminated at 20:15 hours by blowing up the Warsaw Synagogue. ... Total number of Jews dealt with 56,065, including both Jews caught and Jews whose extermination can be proved. ... Apart from 8 buildings (police barracks, hospital, and accommodations for housing working-parties) the former Ghetto is completely destroyed. Only the dividing walls are left standing where no explosions were carried out.[42]

According to the casualty lists in Stroop's report, German forces suffered a total of 110 casualties – 17 dead (of whom 16 were killed in action) and 93 injured – of whom 101 are listed by name, including over 60 members of the Waffen-SS. These figures did not include Jewish collaborators, but did include the "Trawniki men" and Polish police under his command. The real number of German losses, however, may be well higher (the Germans suffered about 300 casualties by Edelman's estimate). For propaganda purposes, the official announcement claimed the German casualties to be only a few wounded, while propaganda bulletins of the Polish Underground Stateannounced that hundreds of occupiers had been killed in the fighting.