JoeB131
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Really? How about explaining that comment. Irony? really?
Irony is one of those things BriPat doesn't understand.. he just thinks he does.
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Really? How about explaining that comment. Irony? really?
Fair? From most people on assistance, you will hear a tale about fairness; the husband who deserved the wife and left her with 4 kids to support, the 55 year old who was fired because he made too much money, the sixty year old with no job, no insurance, and a wife with cancer, etc... Life is not fair.Take my neighbor. Widower, 2 cars, sweet entertainment set, and a lot of money on hand at all times. He also has no job (he's retired)... and because of that, he's on SNAP. How is that fair?
I didn't know it was the President's - any president's - job to fix the economy single handed.
Look, I don't agree with the whole "such and such President started the recession" either. Both Bush and Obama became presidents at a shitty time. Sucks to be them.
However, Bush did institute the first bailout. When that didn't work, Obama tried again. And lo and behold, both of them were wrong.
Now back to the OP, it's sad that everyone has to suffer for the corruption of others who abuse the system.
Take my neighbor. Widower, 2 cars, sweet entertainment set, and a lot of money on hand at all times. He also has no job (he's retired)... and because of that, he's on SNAP. How is that fair?
Likewise, how is it fair that people on welfare and SNAP live better than me?
I guess I could quit my job, but I still have a sense of pride.
I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
Fair? From most people on assistance, you will hear a tale about fairness; the husband who deserved the wife and left her with 4 kids to support, the 55 year old who was fired because he made too much money, the sixty year old with no job, no insurance, and a wife with cancer, etc... Life is not fair.Take my neighbor. Widower, 2 cars, sweet entertainment set, and a lot of money on hand at all times. He also has no job (he's retired)... and because of that, he's on SNAP. How is that fair?
I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
What this has created is a land that welfare forgot, where a collection of private charities struggle to fill the resulting holes. For the Atlanta Community Food Bank, that means sending out more than 3 million pounds of canned goods, bread, and other groceries each month to churches in and around Atlanta to help feed the state's growing number of poor and near-poor.
t's a state of affairs that's left an increasing number of Georgians with nowhere to turn. Teresa, a single mom of a 2-year-old living in a domestic violence shelter, tells of how she broke down and applied for cash benefits after fleeing an abusive relationshiponly to be chastised by state welfare officers who asked, "Wouldn't you rather work?" Eventually, Teresa says, "I was sitting there cryingI just didn't know what else to do. I said, you've gone from letting people sit on their butt and collect money to the very opposite of that."
Ultimately, it didnt matter. In the end, she was rejected for failing to fill out her paperwork correctly.
What this has created is a land that welfare forgot, where a collection of private charities struggle to fill the resulting holes. For the Atlanta Community Food Bank, that means sending out more than 3 million pounds of canned goods, bread, and other groceries each month to churches in and around Atlanta to help feed the state's growing number of poor and near-poor.
Clear evidence that the Social Darwinism of the right is a fallacy. Cutting off public assistance benefits does nothing to compel the poor to work.
t's a state of affairs that's left an increasing number of Georgians with nowhere to turn. Teresa, a single mom of a 2-year-old living in a domestic violence shelter, tells of how she broke down and applied for cash benefits after fleeing an abusive relationshiponly to be chastised by state welfare officers who asked, "Wouldn't you rather work?" Eventually, Teresa says, "I was sitting there cryingI just didn't know what else to do. I said, you've gone from letting people sit on their butt and collect money to the very opposite of that."
Ultimately, it didnt matter. In the end, she was rejected for failing to fill out her paperwork correctly.
Nonsense.
How is this person expected the find and keep work with a 2-year-old. Those eligible for Cash are also eligible for daycare assistance. Once the Cash recipient finds work and gets off Cash, she remains eligible for daycare for an additional two years.
Georgias punitive and draconian policy is making matters worse, and succeeding only in keeping people from finding work.
The destructive ignorance and stupidity of conservatives and republicans is indeed the bane of this Nation.
I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
Yep and that's because tax laws are always compromises. Each side must get in their exceptions and exclusions. Then the IRS writes the regs and instructions to tax payers often having to meet with legislators to clarify the law. Finally, the courts have their say and the rules change again.I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
I wouldn't disagree...
But our taxes are so confusing, so byzantine in code that no one really understands them, not even the IRS itself.
I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
can't deadbeats be tax evaders too?
at least the tax cheats pay some taxes.
I dunno if I ever saw anyone support tax fraud, have you?
I don't think you will find any good statistics that support your claim. There is plenty of B.S. on both sides of the issue.What this has created is a land that welfare forgot, where a collection of private charities struggle to fill the resulting holes. For the Atlanta Community Food Bank, that means sending out more than 3 million pounds of canned goods, bread, and other groceries each month to churches in and around Atlanta to help feed the state's growing number of poor and near-poor.
Clear evidence that the Social Darwinism of the right is a fallacy. ‘Cutting off’ public assistance benefits does nothing to compel the poor to work.
t's a state of affairs that's left an increasing number of Georgians with nowhere to turn. Teresa, a single mom of a 2-year-old living in a domestic violence shelter, tells of how she broke down and applied for cash benefits after fleeing an abusive relationship—only to be chastised by state welfare officers who asked, "Wouldn't you rather work?" Eventually, Teresa says, "I was sitting there crying—I just didn't know what else to do. I said, you've gone from letting people sit on their butt and collect money to the very opposite of that."
Ultimately, it didn’t matter. In the end, she was rejected for failing to fill out her paperwork correctly.
Nonsense.
How is this person expected the find and keep work with a 2-year-old. Those eligible for Cash are also eligible for daycare assistance. Once the Cash recipient finds work and gets off Cash, she remains eligible for daycare for an additional two years.
Georgia’s punitive and draconian policy is making matters worse, and succeeding only in keeping people from finding work.
The destructive ignorance and stupidity of conservatives and republicans is indeed the bane of this Nation.
Conservatives give far more in time, energy, and money to charity organizations than liberals do. Sell that ignorant hate to some naive college kid.
I think what you don't seem to grasp is that social welfare is cheaper than the alternative. Ghettos filled with destitute, elderly, and the physically and mentally ill, who have no means of support other than crime is a far worst situation than what we have today.I find it strange that people would be so concerned about welfare fraud while seeming to have no interest in tax fraud and evasion. Yet tax evasion cost the government over twice the total amount we spend on all welfare programs.
I have a hard time getting mad at some schmuck paying a 30%+ tax doing his best to make his tax rate the same rate as the schmuck paying 10%.
Now then, if everybody paid the exact same tax rate, I might see things differently.
I still have a problem with anybody taking money, be he a thug committing robbery or a welfare recipient using the government as his means to rob others.