Greatest thread to human civilization : capitalist greed - Stephen Hawkin

[Avatar4321]

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

It teaches the love of money is the root of all evil.

Money is a tool.

Another example of a la carte Conservatives treating the Bible as a smorgasbord.

How is accurately quoting the Bible treating it like a smorgasbord?

 

[The Rabbi]

Machines have brought us to the point where we need to seriously consider a 35-hour, maybe even a 30-hour, work week.

That worked really well in France.
Oh, no it didnt.

France has the second strongest economy in Europe. Their problem is not a short work week. Their problem is too many government gifts.

So is ours.

Thats actually not true but anyway.
Frnce is a basket case with multiple problems. Shortening the work week didnt solve any of them.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Greed is definitely a threat to us. But not in the way Hawkins says it is.

Greed manifests itself in all of us when we spend more than we make. "I just gotta have that George Foreman grill with the 4-wheel drive option!"

It's debt which is killing us. Public and private debt.

Stop blaming the rich, and take a goddam look in the mirror to find who is really at fault, kiddos.

Yes we're all guilty. We're all pieces of shit for wanting creature comforts. Shit, who really needs an electric blanket anyway?

We had to have the McMansion, and crashed the economy.

We had to keep requesting our credit card limit be raised, and then bitch when Congress raises theirs! Which they only do so they can give us more shit, too!

Buying McMansions crashed the economy? Who knew?

Buying a McMansion when all the dipshits could afford was a toolshed, yes.

Their eyes were bigger than their bank accounts.

I want a mansion too and I cant afford it. Whose fault is it if I buy one?

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Well that would be your agent, who talked you into believing you can afford it. Explaining how others have purchased homes like the one s/he is selling and in five years they can refinance the loan, pay off the balloon payment and even have a nice vacation and a new car with the equity they've 'earned'.

 

[The Rabbi]

It doesn't matter. He's rich telling others to not be rich and yes I'm sure it has improved the quality of his pathetic life.

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

Wh should they do that? What exactly are "capital goods"? They need to share their industrial lathes?

Capital goods - goods used to produce other goods.
There are many ways to share : they could open source the technology ( many programmers already do that ) , they could sell old machinery instead of scrapping it.

Do youthink companies dont consider the benefits of selling used machines vs scrapping them? If the technology is proprietry why would they "open source" it?

 

[Andylusion]

It doesn't matter. He's rich telling others to not be rich and yes I'm sure it has improved the quality of his pathetic life.

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

A: why? You suck air, therefore you deserve what I've earned?
B: They do already. Nearly all of the charity in this country, wouldn't happen without the rich. Billions in charity every year, and the vast majority is all due to the rich.

A) In the long run : because of the cyclic model of the economy.
But anyway ... yea, that's why I donate to an orphanage, crash course and the unicef.

B) I don't think so. By this time it's almost sure crowdfunding has become more important for charity than donations from rich people.

3.2 Trillion by 2020 , that would make it the equivalent of the third largest economy .
Economic Value of Crowdfunding - Fundable

You do realize that UNICEF has been, and many claim still is, horribly corrupt and wasteful? In some cases (not all), only 14% of UNICEF funds make it to end recipients.

You'd do more good giving $10 to a drunk on the street.

I do not have anything against crowd funding fundamentally.

But that whole thing is built on fuzzy math, and questionable assumptions. Any trend can be assumed forever, but trends, are just that. You can't assume anything.

If you think crowd funding is going to over take the donations by the rich, which build entire wings to hospitals, and half of major universities... nah. Wishful thinking.

 

[The Rabbi]

“If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed.” Hawking continued, “Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."

We have been warned.

Stephen Hawking Warns About The Greatest Threat To Humanity | Zero Hedge

Idiots. It is amazing how some of the smartest people can be so dumb.
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else. IT's benefits are literally without precedence.

Opportunity is what allows Capitalism to lift people out of poverty, exploitation by Capitalists creates income inequality and social unrest; it is why Capitalists need to be regulated by a government elected by the people.

Today, do to both Citizens United rulings, and the greed of the mass media, elected officials are purchased by the wealthy and govern for the wealthy.

Simple minds never take the long view, and Rabbi is one of the simplest minds around.

Hmm, capitalism creates social unrest? I dont think so. Compare socialist countries in Africa, the Middle East, and SOuth America to capitalist countries in Asia and your statement is, typically for you, dead wrong.
As for income inequality, do you think there are more equal incomes under feudalism? Or under Communism? Are people better off under those systems? Even socialism. Are people better off under socialism in Greece and Venezuela?

You're so thoroughly confused it's easy to understand why fools like you persist in your beliefs.

Apples (a system of governance) and Aardvarks (an economic system).

We live in a democratically elected Republic, which operates under a mixed economic system. Regulated Capitalism and our nation's form of Socialism.

That combination served us well until recently. Today our Democratic Republic is in grave danger from within; the New Right has rejected traditional American ethos by adopting a radical ideology from the past.

An ideology that is selfish, callous, dishonest and fraught with peril.

So this mixed system has done well for us, even though we are suffering from the worst economic period since the Great Depression, according to Democrats. The solution is to do more of the same but going back to the system that actually built this is rejecting traditional American ethos.
It's no wonder I think you're borderline insane.

 

[Conservative65]

It doesn't matter. He's rich telling others to not be rich and yes I'm sure it has improved the quality of his pathetic life.

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

Sharing involves a voluntary action by the giver. When one person with the authority to do so tells another person to "share", it's called a mandate and the concept of sharing is gone.

SH is not telling how such redistribution should be achieved. He is merely saying the machines should be shared ( somehow ). Do you donate to some cause?

What does that even mean?

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

It teaches the love of money is the root of all evil.

Money is a tool.

Another example of a la carte Conservatives treating the Bible as a smorgasbord.

Another example of a lefty being corrected then not being man enough to admit it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes we're all guilty. We're all pieces of shit for wanting creature comforts. Shit, who really needs an electric blanket anyway?

We had to have the McMansion, and crashed the economy.

We had to keep requesting our credit card limit be raised, and then bitch when Congress raises theirs! Which they only do so they can give us more shit, too!

Buying McMansions crashed the economy? Who knew?

Buying a McMansion when all the dipshits could afford was a toolshed, yes.

Their eyes were bigger than their bank accounts.

I want a mansion too and I cant afford it. Whose fault is it if I buy one?

\
Well that would be your agent, who talked you into believing you can afford it. Explaining how others have purchased homes like the one s/he is selling and in five years they can refinance the loan, pay off the balloon payment and even have a nice vacation and a new car with the equity they've 'earned'.

So my agent talked me into buying this? Real estate agents crashed the economy. Book mark it.

 

[Conservative65]

“If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed.” Hawking continued, “Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."

We have been warned.

Stephen Hawking Warns About The Greatest Threat To Humanity | Zero Hedge

Idiots. It is amazing how some of the smartest people can be so dumb.
Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else. IT's benefits are literally without precedence.

Opportunity is what allows Capitalism to lift people out of poverty, exploitation by Capitalists creates income inequality and social unrest; it is why Capitalists need to be regulated by a government elected by the people.

Today, do to both Citizens United rulings, and the greed of the mass media, elected officials are purchased by the wealthy and govern for the wealthy.

Simple minds never take the long view, and Rabbi is one of the simplest minds around.

Hmm, capitalism creates social unrest? I dont think so. Compare socialist countries in Africa, the Middle East, and SOuth America to capitalist countries in Asia and your statement is, typically for you, dead wrong.
As for income inequality, do you think there are more equal incomes under feudalism? Or under Communism? Are people better off under those systems? Even socialism. Are people better off under socialism in Greece and Venezuela?

You're so thoroughly confused it's easy to understand why fools like you persist in your beliefs.

Apples (a system of governance) and Aardvarks (an economic system).

We live in a democratically elected Republic, which operates under a mixed economic system. Regulated Capitalism and our nation's form of Socialism.

That combination served us well until recently. Today our Democratic Republic is in grave danger from within; the New Right has rejected traditional American ethos by adopting a radical ideology from the past.

An ideology that is selfish, callous, dishonest and fraught with peril.

What's selfish about the person that actually earned something wanting to keep it. The selfishness comes from those that didn't earn it thinking that a portion of what another person earned belongs to them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

No.

 

[Wry Catcher]

He's right. Centuries ago this time period was envisioned to be a time of lesuire, and it could be so much nicer for us, but instead of creating beautiful gardens I had to spend my time paying the banks for the land.

we are being seriously wroughted and for No reason other than idiot greed box's need for status.

its really something I was always frustrated about. Why all the drudgery?
I know work is good but does it have to be soul destroying? No, it doesn't.

"so much nicer for us". Are you advocating that those who have succeeded be forced to give up more of it so those who chose to buy land have it paid for by someone else?

Nope, I'm advocating that we hang all Usurers. So the opposite of what you are claiming.

I'm advocating that life should not be one wit harder than it has to be, given all the labour saving devices we've invented.

You can go first. Ever gotten interest on a savings account? You're a usurer.

lol, don't you ever tire of being wrong (or getting caught lying)?

The bank not the depositor sets the rate Rabbi, even a dolt like you should know that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

No.

Then why does it say so?

 

[The Rabbi]

He's right. Centuries ago this time period was envisioned to be a time of lesuire, and it could be so much nicer for us, but instead of creating beautiful gardens I had to spend my time paying the banks for the land.

we are being seriously wroughted and for No reason other than idiot greed box's need for status.

its really something I was always frustrated about. Why all the drudgery?
I know work is good but does it have to be soul destroying? No, it doesn't.

"so much nicer for us". Are you advocating that those who have succeeded be forced to give up more of it so those who chose to buy land have it paid for by someone else?

Nope, I'm advocating that we hang all Usurers. So the opposite of what you are claiming.

I'm advocating that life should not be one wit harder than it has to be, given all the labour saving devices we've invented.

You can go first. Ever gotten interest on a savings account? You're a usurer.

lol, don't you ever tire of being wrong (or getting caught lying)?

The bank not the depositor sets the rate Rabbi, even a dolt like you should know that.

What did I lie about, cocksucker? If she took interest she is a usurer. OTherwise how would you define the term?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It doesn't matter. He's rich telling others to not be rich and yes I'm sure it has improved the quality of his pathetic life.

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

Sharing involves a voluntary action by the giver. When one person with the authority to do so tells another person to "share", it's called a mandate and the concept of sharing is gone.

SH is not telling how such redistribution should be achieved. He is merely saying the machines should be shared ( somehow ). Do you donate to some cause?

What does that even mean?

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

It teaches the love of money is the root of all evil.

Money is a tool.

Another example of a la carte Conservatives treating the Bible as a smorgasbord.

Another example of a lefty being corrected then not being man enough to admit it.

The two variations are no different.

 

[mikegriffith1]

“If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed.” Hawking continued, “Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."

We have been warned.

Stephen Hawking Warns About The Greatest Threat To Humanity | Zero Hedge

So we've been warned about the greatest "thread"? Ok, thanks.

What a bunch of liberal drivel. Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty and has created more prosperity and societal growth than any other system in human history.

China is a good example of a country that used to follow all the economic policies that our liberals advocate but that has ditched them and become far wealthier as a result.

 

[bedowin62]

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

No.

Then why does it say so?

it doesnt

 

[L.K.Eder]

greatest threat ever

 

[NYcarbineer]

It doesn't matter. He's rich telling others to not be rich and yes I'm sure it has improved the quality of his pathetic life.

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

Sharing involves a voluntary action by the giver. When one person with the authority to do so tells another person to "share", it's called a mandate and the concept of sharing is gone.

SH is not telling how such redistribution should be achieved. He is merely saying the machines should be shared ( somehow ). Do you donate to some cause?

What does that even mean?

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

It teaches the love of money is the root of all evil.

Money is a tool.

Another example of a la carte Conservatives treating the Bible as a smorgasbord.

Another example of a lefty being corrected then not being man enough to admit it.

I've always known the irrelevant distinction:

ANOTHER Simple Question For You Teabagger Simpletons | Page 2 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Take a pill, Poindexter.

 

[Conservative65]

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

No.

Then why does it say so?

It doesn't say that. It says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

 

[The Rabbi]

He is not telling the rich have to stop being rich , rather , that they should share their capital goods.

Sharing involves a voluntary action by the giver. When one person with the authority to do so tells another person to "share", it's called a mandate and the concept of sharing is gone.

SH is not telling how such redistribution should be achieved. He is merely saying the machines should be shared ( somehow ). Do you donate to some cause?

What does that even mean?

Doesn't the Bible teach that money is the root of all evil?

It teaches the love of money is the root of all evil.

Money is a tool.

Another example of a la carte Conservatives treating the Bible as a smorgasbord.

Another example of a lefty being corrected then not being man enough to admit it.

I've always known the irrelevant distinction:

ANOTHER Simple Question For You Teabagger Simpletons | Page 2 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Take a pill, Poindexter.

You get caught with lies and stupidity and it's someone else's fault. Got it.