Green New Deal

She has a degree from Boston U. [AOC]

Your degree is from Roosevelt Elementary School. Probably where that other moron got his PhD he claims to have

She is not my leader.

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Here we go again, more of the SSDD from Twinkle Toes.

Bad, bad, bad Democrats...bad bad.............

Bad democrats
Bad Stalinists
Bad Nazis

What is your point?

democrats are fucking gutter scum, a cancer on the human condition.
Did I hit a nerve? LOL.


Not at all. You just seemed surprised that someone would call the cancer that is destroying the nation "bad."

If you fools gain power, we'll all be eating zoo animals to survive within a decade. You are malignant, you destroy anything you touch, anything you infect.
 
If paying $1,500 a year for cleaner air and cleaner water includes serious reduction in greenhouse gases, absolutely.
There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.:desk::finger3::dance:
Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.
  • Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
  • Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
  • Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
  • Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
  • Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
  • A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
  • Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
  • A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
  • A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
  • Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
  • Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.
The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Federalist. hahahahahahahaha

I'm thinking an EV with a solar charging station is cheaper than gasoline.

Nuclear is the most subsidized form of energy.

Going to EV is not the elimination of cars.

And then, OMG OMG OMG a safety net.

You people are too fucking stupid to read the GNP.

Twit, here's the full text of the original document.
LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM. Overview  We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).  This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and a timeline. o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for all. It will:  Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy  Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs  Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries  Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.  Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:  A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security  High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools  Clean air and water and access to nature  Healthy food  High-quality health care  Safe, affordable, adequate housing  Economic environment free of monopolies  Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work  There is no time to waste. o IPCC Report said global emissions must be cut by by 40-60% by 2030. US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal.  Americans love a challenge. This is our moonshot. o When JFK said we’d go to the by the end of the decade, people said impossible. o If Eisenhower wanted to build the interstate highway system today, people would ask how we’d pay for it. o When FDR called on America to build 185,000 planes to fight World War 2, every business leader, CEO, and general laughed at him. At the time, the U.S. had produced 3,000 planes in the last year. By the end
of the war, we produced 300,000 planes. That’s what we are capable of if we have real leadership  This is massive investment in our economy and society, not expenditure. o We invested 40-50% of GDP into our economy during World War 2 and created the greatest middle class the US has seen. o The interstate highway system has returned more than $6 in economic productivity for every $1 it cost o This is massively expanding existing and building new industries at a rapid pace – growing our economy  The Green New Deal has momentum. o 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal o Nearly every major Democratic Presidential contender say they back the Green New deal including: Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Jeff Merkeley, Julian Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Jay Inslee. o 45 House Reps and 330+ groups backed the original resolution for a select committee o Over 300 local and state politicians have called for a federal Green New Deal o New Resolution has 20 co-sponsors, about 30 groups (numbers will change by Thursday).
FAQ Why 100% clean and renewable and not just 100% renewable? Are you saying we won’t transition off fossil fuels? Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases. Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy. Simply banning fossil fuels immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. We do this through a huge mobilization to create the renewable energy economy as fast as possible. We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero. Is nuclear a part of this? A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible. No one has put the full 10-year plan
together yet, and if it is possible to get to fully 100% renewable in 10 years, we will do that. Does this include a carbon tax? The Green New Deal is a massive investment in the production of renewable energy industries and infrastructure. We cannot simply tax gas and expect workers to figure out another way to get to work unless we’ve first created a better, more affordable option. So we’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal in the face of the gigantic expansion of our productive economy and would have to be preceded by first creating the solutions necessary so that workers and working class communities are not affected. While a carbon tax may be a part of the Green New Deal, it misses the point and would be off the table unless we create the clean, affordable options first. Does this include cap and trade? The Green New Deal is about creating the renewable energy economy through a massive investment in our society and economy. Cap and trade assumes the existing market will solve this problem for us, and that’s simply not true. While cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan to mobilize our economy, any cap and trade legislation will pale in comparison to the size of the mobilization and must recognize that existing legislation can incentivize companies to create toxic hotspots in frontline communities, so anything here must ensure that frontline communities are prioritized. Does a GND ban all new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear power plants? The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary. This is a massive mobilization of all our resources into renewable energies. It would simply not make sense to build new fossil fuel infrastructure because we will be creating a plan to reorient our entire economy to work off renewable energy. Simply banning fossil fuels and nuclear plants immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. Are you for CCUS? We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective. How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
Why do we need a sweeping Green New Deal investment program? Why can’t we just rely on regulations and taxes and the private sector to invest alone such as a carbon tax or a ban on fossil fuels?  The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.  The speed of investment required will be massive. Even if all the billionaires and companies could make the investments required, they would not be able to pull together a coordinated response in the narrow window of time required to jump-start major new projects and major new economic sectors. Also, private companies are wary of making massive investments in unproven research and technologies; the government, however, has the time horizon to be able to patiently make investments in new tech and R&D, without necessarily having a commercial outcome or application in mind at the time the investment is made. Major examples of government investments in “new” tech that subsequently spurred a boom in the private section include DARPAprojects, the creation of the internet - and, perhaps most recently, the government’s investment in Tesla.  Simply put, we don’t need to just stop doing some things we are doing (like using fossil fuels for energy needs); we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient). Starting to do new things requires some upfront investment. In the same way that a company that is trying to change how it does business may need to make big upfront capital investments today in order to reap future benefits (for e.g., building a new factory to increase production or buying new hardware and software to totally modernize its IT system), a country that is trying to change how its economy works will need to make big investments today to jump-start and develop new projects and sectors to power the new economy.  Merely incentivizing the private sector doesn’t work - e.g. the tax incentives and subsidies given to wind and solar projects have been a valuable spur to growth in the US renewables industry but, even with such investmentpromotion subsidies, the present level of such projects is simply inadequate to transition to a fully greenhouse gas neutral economy as quickly as needed.  Once again, we’re not saying that there isn’t a role for private sector investments; we’re just saying that the level of investment required will need every actor to pitch in and that the government is best placed to be the prime driver.
Resolution Summary  Created in consultation with multiple groups from environmental community, environmental justice community, and labor community  5 goals in 10 years:
o Net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers o Create millions of high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all o Invest in infrastructure and industry to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century o Clean air and water, climate and community resiliency, healthy food, access to nature, and a sustainable environment for all o Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities  National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy: o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related disasters o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum. o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy sources o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable access to electricity o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural ecosystems o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those emissions o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring about a global Green New Deal  Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account o Provide job training and education to all o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all
This is not the exact bill introduce on 02/07/2019 by Ocasio-Cortez (H.R. 109)
Apparently there are multiple versions floating around. There was a 2016 document which contained much more detail, very controversial and was never passed. I'm pretty sure that this document was used by the opposition in their rebuttal.
The link below shows the entire text of the bill recorded by congress.gov as introduced.
Text - H.Res.109 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal.
 
The better question is, what will we have to lose if we do meet them?

I find it truly odd that Progressives tell us exactly what they want to do and then their "supporters" set about telling us what they really meant.

The problem is even if we did all those things on that list, they would still be complaining and wanting more.

Years ago the feds told us that our state is too dirty, so they forced us into having our vehicles tested in the areas where the meter hit the red line. E-Check has cost Ohioans tens of millions of dollars. After ten years or so, they measured the air quality again and found no change. So what did they do? Insist we continue the failed program.

This country coming from a guy that lives in a state that used to have rivers that caught on fire until those “failed programs” stopped them burning.

The difference is that we had empirical evidence chemicals didn't dissipate in the water, and THEN we did something about it. Global Warming is different because we are acting on something we don't know is happening because of man or cow farts. It's a theory. The Cuyahoga river starting on fire was not theory.

Don't use your ignorance as proof something is or is not happening.

Look at any temperature graph. Look at any CO2 ppm graph.


More CO2 in the atmosphere => More green house gas effect => high temps.

PROVEN SCIENCE.

The midwest is suffering from higher temps, sploogy. :thup:

You have an IQ of purple....
 
She is likely bettyer educated thatg 90% of the Treumpttes that are posting here.

So is it her heritage or that she is a female that you hate?

As you know, education has nothing, whatsoever, to do with common sense. I have known a real genius and scores of people with numerous advance degrees. Some, like AOC do not have the sense to come in out off the rain.

I was just going to make that comment and you beat me to it. Nobody knows this than somebody who drives for a living. I see the way these architects design buildings. They make a place that can hold about 300 employees, and have only two single bathrooms. These so-called engineers who design road construction sites are worse. They have a narrow lane and a wider lane, and they make trucks use the narrowest lane, and that's usually against the concrete barriers.

What they tell you to do if you have to pull a truck over on the shoulder of a highway is that to re-enter the highway, immediately do so as soon as your vehicle starts rolling. So now you have traffic coming down a highway at 70 mph or more, and this truck just pulls into the right lane barely moving. Who is the genius that thought up that one?

All college people running the show.

I have been a Realtor for over 45 years. I have owned offices and been the active broker for others. I have also taught real estate, in many forms, for over 35 years.

In all that time I could count on both hands, at most, how many people who had a degree in real estate the ones who were successful practicing real estate. At first, when I stated to pay attention to it, I was surprised. Then I realized that the ones with the degrees in real estate, were the ones unwilling to do what was necessary to be successful. They believed that was beneath them.
 
There are 157,00,000 working Americans right now. The Socialist Green Deal will cost an estimated $50,000,000,000,000 probably a low estimate. If you think it's only going to cost $1500.00 per year go back to math Class Genius. AT 50 trillion it would cost every single working American (157,000,000) of us. $318,471.33 or $10,615.00 per yr. for 30 yrs. At 20 trillion it would be a measly $147,000.00 that's $4386.00 a yr for 30 yrs. and The 150,000,000 who don't want to work will have the same benefits and get to ride the "Moon Bat" train along with you for free because you won't have a car either. If all 7.5 Billion people on earth paid equally it would only cost you $7,142.00 . I don't think the Chinese will want the Train to stop there. Please no more Moon Bat mathematics.:desk::finger3::dance:
Nowhere in the New Green Deal document does it even mention the need for 7 trillion dollars much less the 50 trillion. The document provides no cost estimates because it does not describe in detail what is to be done nor the time frame nor a break down as to what would be done by the US. Essential it a planning document describing in very general terms what needs to happen.

I suggest you actually read the document document before you start making ridiculous estimates.

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

You're surprised about a Socialist program being proposed with no cost estimate. How quaint!

The SEVEN TRILLION DOLLAR figure is for but one of the components. The FIFTY TRILLION DOLLAR is for several.

While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure us that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:

The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Green New Deal isn't just un-American, it's also completely bonkers.
  • Ban affordable energy. GND calls for the elimination of all fossil fuel energy production, the lifeblood of American industry and life, which includes not only all oil but also natural gas — one of the cheapest sources of American energy, and one of the reasons the United States has been able to lead the world in carbon-emissions reduction.
  • Eliminate nuclear energy. The GND also calls for eliminating all nuclear power, one of the only productive and somewhat affordable “clean” energy sources available to us, in 11 years. This move would purge around 20 percent of American energy generation so you can rely on intermittent wind for your energy needs.
  • Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
  • Gut and rebuild every building in America. Markey and Cortez want to “retrofit every building in America” with “state of the art energy efficiency.” I repeat, “every building in America.” That includes every home, factory, and apartment building, which will all need, for starters, to have their entire working heating and cooling systems ripped out and replaced with…well, with whatever technology Democrats are going invent in their committee hearings, I guess.
  • Eliminate air travel. GND calls for building out “highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary.” Good luck Hawaii! California’s high-speed boondoggle is already in $100 billion dollars of debt, and looks to be one of the state’s biggest fiscal disasters ever. Amtrak runs billions of dollars in the red (though, as we’ll see, trains that run on fossil fuels will also be phased out). Imagine growing that business model out to every state in America?
  • A government-guaranteed job. The bill promises the United States government will provide every single American with a job that includes a “family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and a pension.” You can imagine that those left in the private sector would be funding these through some unspecified “massive” taxation. On the bright side, when you’re foraging for food, your savings will be worthless.
  • Free education for life. GND promises free college or trade schools for every American.
  • A salubrious diet. The GND promises the government will provide “healthy food” to every American (because there are no beans or lettuce in your local supermarket, I guess).
  • A house. The GND promises that the government will provide, “safe, affordable, adequate housing” for every American citizen. I call dibs on an affordable Adams Morgan townhouse. Thank you, Ocasio-Cortez.
  • Free money. The GND aims to provide, and I am not making this up, “economic security” for all who are “unable or unwilling” to work. Just to reiterate: if you’re unwilling to work, the rest of us will have your back.
  • Bonus insanity: Ban meat. Ocasio-Cortez admits that we can’t get zero emissions in 10 years “because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.” The only way to get rid of farting cows is to get rid of beef.
The 10 Most Insane Requirements Of The Green New Deal
The Federalist. hahahahahahahaha

I'm thinking an EV with a solar charging station is cheaper than gasoline.

Nuclear is the most subsidized form of energy.

Going to EV is not the elimination of cars.

And then, OMG OMG OMG a safety net.

You people are too fucking stupid to read the GNP.

Twit, here's the full text of the original document.
LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM. Overview  We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).  This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and a timeline. o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for all. It will:  Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy  Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs  Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to ensure economic security for people and communities that have historically relied on fossil fuel industries  Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by prioritizing investment, training, climate and community resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these communities.  Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:  A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical leave, vacations, and retirement security  High-quality education, including higher education and trade schools  Clean air and water and access to nature  Healthy food  High-quality health care  Safe, affordable, adequate housing  Economic environment free of monopolies  Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work  There is no time to waste. o IPCC Report said global emissions must be cut by by 40-60% by 2030. US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal.  Americans love a challenge. This is our moonshot. o When JFK said we’d go to the by the end of the decade, people said impossible. o If Eisenhower wanted to build the interstate highway system today, people would ask how we’d pay for it. o When FDR called on America to build 185,000 planes to fight World War 2, every business leader, CEO, and general laughed at him. At the time, the U.S. had produced 3,000 planes in the last year. By the end
of the war, we produced 300,000 planes. That’s what we are capable of if we have real leadership  This is massive investment in our economy and society, not expenditure. o We invested 40-50% of GDP into our economy during World War 2 and created the greatest middle class the US has seen. o The interstate highway system has returned more than $6 in economic productivity for every $1 it cost o This is massively expanding existing and building new industries at a rapid pace – growing our economy  The Green New Deal has momentum. o 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans support the Green New Deal o Nearly every major Democratic Presidential contender say they back the Green New deal including: Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Jeff Merkeley, Julian Castro, Kirsten Gillibrand, Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Jay Inslee. o 45 House Reps and 330+ groups backed the original resolution for a select committee o Over 300 local and state politicians have called for a federal Green New Deal o New Resolution has 20 co-sponsors, about 30 groups (numbers will change by Thursday).
FAQ Why 100% clean and renewable and not just 100% renewable? Are you saying we won’t transition off fossil fuels? Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases. Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy. Simply banning fossil fuels immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. We do this through a huge mobilization to create the renewable energy economy as fast as possible. We set a goal to get to net-zero, rather than zero emissions, in 10 years because we aren’t sure that we’ll be able to fully get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast, but we think we can ramp up renewable manufacturing and power production, retrofit every building in America, build the smart grid, overhaul transportation and agriculture, plant lots of trees and restore our ecosystem to get to net-zero. Is nuclear a part of this? A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible. No one has put the full 10-year plan
together yet, and if it is possible to get to fully 100% renewable in 10 years, we will do that. Does this include a carbon tax? The Green New Deal is a massive investment in the production of renewable energy industries and infrastructure. We cannot simply tax gas and expect workers to figure out another way to get to work unless we’ve first created a better, more affordable option. So we’re not ruling a carbon tax out, but a carbon tax would be a tiny part of a Green New Deal in the face of the gigantic expansion of our productive economy and would have to be preceded by first creating the solutions necessary so that workers and working class communities are not affected. While a carbon tax may be a part of the Green New Deal, it misses the point and would be off the table unless we create the clean, affordable options first. Does this include cap and trade? The Green New Deal is about creating the renewable energy economy through a massive investment in our society and economy. Cap and trade assumes the existing market will solve this problem for us, and that’s simply not true. While cap and trade may be a tiny part of the larger Green New Deal plan to mobilize our economy, any cap and trade legislation will pale in comparison to the size of the mobilization and must recognize that existing legislation can incentivize companies to create toxic hotspots in frontline communities, so anything here must ensure that frontline communities are prioritized. Does a GND ban all new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear power plants? The Green New Deal makes new fossil fuel infrastructure or nuclear plants unnecessary. This is a massive mobilization of all our resources into renewable energies. It would simply not make sense to build new fossil fuel infrastructure because we will be creating a plan to reorient our entire economy to work off renewable energy. Simply banning fossil fuels and nuclear plants immediately won’t build the new economy to replace it – this is the plan to build that new economy and spells out how to do it technically. Are you for CCUS? We believe the right way to capture carbon is to plant trees and restore our natural ecosystems. CCUS technology to date has not proven effective. How will you pay for it? The same way we paid for the New Deal, the 2008 bank bailout and extended quantitative easing programs. The same way we paid for World War II and all our current wars. The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit. There is also space for the government to take an equity stake in projects to get a return on investment. At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy that should grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn’t how will we pay for it, but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.
Why do we need a sweeping Green New Deal investment program? Why can’t we just rely on regulations and taxes and the private sector to invest alone such as a carbon tax or a ban on fossil fuels?  The level of investment required is massive. Even if every billionaire and company came together and were willing to pour all the resources at their disposal into this investment, the aggregate value of the investments they could make would not be sufficient.  The speed of investment required will be massive. Even if all the billionaires and companies could make the investments required, they would not be able to pull together a coordinated response in the narrow window of time required to jump-start major new projects and major new economic sectors. Also, private companies are wary of making massive investments in unproven research and technologies; the government, however, has the time horizon to be able to patiently make investments in new tech and R&D, without necessarily having a commercial outcome or application in mind at the time the investment is made. Major examples of government investments in “new” tech that subsequently spurred a boom in the private section include DARPAprojects, the creation of the internet - and, perhaps most recently, the government’s investment in Tesla.  Simply put, we don’t need to just stop doing some things we are doing (like using fossil fuels for energy needs); we also need to start doing new things (like overhauling whole industries or retrofitting all buildings to be energy efficient). Starting to do new things requires some upfront investment. In the same way that a company that is trying to change how it does business may need to make big upfront capital investments today in order to reap future benefits (for e.g., building a new factory to increase production or buying new hardware and software to totally modernize its IT system), a country that is trying to change how its economy works will need to make big investments today to jump-start and develop new projects and sectors to power the new economy.  Merely incentivizing the private sector doesn’t work - e.g. the tax incentives and subsidies given to wind and solar projects have been a valuable spur to growth in the US renewables industry but, even with such investmentpromotion subsidies, the present level of such projects is simply inadequate to transition to a fully greenhouse gas neutral economy as quickly as needed.  Once again, we’re not saying that there isn’t a role for private sector investments; we’re just saying that the level of investment required will need every actor to pitch in and that the government is best placed to be the prime driver.
Resolution Summary  Created in consultation with multiple groups from environmental community, environmental justice community, and labor community  5 goals in 10 years:
o Net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers o Create millions of high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all o Invest in infrastructure and industry to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century o Clean air and water, climate and community resiliency, healthy food, access to nature, and a sustainable environment for all o Promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of frontline and vulnerable communities  National mobilization our economy through 14 infrastructure and industrial projects. Every project strives to remove greenhouse gas emissions and pollution from every sector of our economy: o Build infrastructure to create resiliency against climate change-related disasters o Repair and upgrade U.S. infrastructure. ASCE estimates this is $4.6 trillion at minimum. o Meet 100% of power demand through clean and renewable energy sources o Build energy-efficient, distributed smart grids and ensure affordable access to electricity o Upgrade or replace every building in US for state-of-the-art energy efficiency o Massively expand clean manufacturing (like solar panel factories, wind turbine factories, battery and storage manufacturing, energy efficient manufacturing components) and remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing o Work with farmers and ranchers to create a sustainable, pollution and greenhouse gas free, food system that ensures universal access to healthy food and expands independent family farming o Totally overhaul transportation by massively expanding electric vehicle manufacturing, build charging stations everywhere, build out highspeed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary, create affordable public transit available to all, with goal to replace every combustion-engine vehicle o Mitigate long-term health effects of climate change and pollution o Remove greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and pollution through afforestation, preservation, and other methods of restoring our natural ecosystems o Restore all our damaged and threatened ecosystems o Clean up all the existing hazardous waste sites and abandoned sites o Identify new emission sources and create solutions to eliminate those emissions o Make the US the leader in addressing climate change and share our technology, expertise and products with the rest of the world to bring about a global Green New Deal  Social and economic justice and security through 15 requirements:
o Massive federal investments and assistance to organizations and businesses participating in the green new deal and ensuring the public gets a return on that investment o Ensure the environmental and social costs of emissions are taken into account o Provide job training and education to all o Invest in R&D of new clean and renewable energy technologies o Doing direct investments in frontline and deindustrialized communities that would otherwise be hurt by the transition to prioritize economic benefits there o Use democratic and participatory processes led by frontline and vulnerable communities to implement GND projects locally o Ensure that all GND jobs are union jobs that pay prevailing wages and hire local o Guarantee a job with family-sustaining wages o Protect right of all workers to unionize and organize o Strengthen and enforce labor, workplace health and safety, antidiscrimination, and wage and hour standards o Enact and enforce trade rules to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas and grow domestic manufacturing o Ensure public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and eminent domain is not abused o Obtain free, prior, and informed consent of Indigenous peoples o Ensure an economic environment free of monopolies and unfair competition o Provide high-quality health care, housing, economic security, and clean air, clean water, healthy food, and nature to all
This is not the exact bill introduce on 02/07/2019 by Ocasio-Cortez (H.R. 109)
Apparently there are multiple versions floating around. There was a 2016 document which contained much more detail, very controversial and was never passed. I'm pretty sure that this document was used by the opposition in their rebuttal.
The link below shows the entire text of the bill recorded by congress.gov as introduced.
Text - H.Res.109 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal.

Meaning of course you've chosen to believe the party lie. Sorry, she got slapped with the stupidity of what she put out and is now backpedaling
 
from Politico:

“I would like them to push it as far as they can. I’d like to see it on the floor. I’d like to see them actually have to vote on it,” Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), a senior Appropriator, told POLITICO. “It’s crazy. It’s loony.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Trump's most vocal champions, echoed that sentiment. “Let’s vote on the Green New Deal!” Graham tweetedFriday. “Americans deserve to see what kind of solutions far-left Democrats are offering to deal with climate change."

Trump on Saturday sarcastically called the proposal "Brilliant!" in a tweet.
 
the Green Big Deal is technologically impossible, unimaginably costly and a socialist fever dream that would ultimately cost Democrats moderate seats across the country.

I think this will be a piñata that Republicans will continue to hit and use to their advantage in the 2020 elections. It’s a policy piñata
 
the Green New Deal is THE NEW COMMUNIST MANIFESTO is what it is!

There’s this new wave of Democrats that make Pelosi look moderate and I never thought I’d see that day
 
ask them these simple questions: What are your goals, and how much will it cost us?

methinks Flopper nailed it>

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

what should be asked (and is somewhat addressed in the resolution) is what we have to LOOSE if we don't meet these goals

~S~

The better question is, what will we have to lose if we do meet them?

I find it truly odd that Progressives tell us exactly what they want to do and then their "supporters" set about telling us what they really meant.

The problem is even if we did all those things on that list, they would still be complaining and wanting more.

Years ago the feds told us that our state is too dirty, so they forced us into having our vehicles tested in the areas where the meter hit the red line. E-Check has cost Ohioans tens of millions of dollars. After ten years or so, they measured the air quality again and found no change. So what did they do? Insist we continue the failed program.
Since scientist can't tell us exactly what will occur or when it will occur and there is no way of knowing that the proposed changes will be enough to alter climate change, rest easy because little or nothing is going to be done, at least not in our lifetime.

Developing nations will continue to develop which will create huge amounts of greenhouse gases. They have seen the wealth and prosperity that has grown out of the industrial revolutions of more advanced countries and they will not be persuaded to alter their course. China, arguable the highest producer of greenhouse gases is making positive steps but there is no way they are going to make sacrifices in economic growth to do what is needed. The United States is not likely to do much of anything for fear of loss of economic growth and dramatic changes needed. Americans are far too fat, dumb, and happy to make any real sacrifices and the huge multinational corporations are laying their plans now for how they will profit from climate change.
 
ask them these simple questions: What are your goals, and how much will it cost us?

methinks Flopper nailed it>

Here's The Full Text Of Congress' Green New Deal Resolution, Introduced By Rep. Alexandra Ocasio Cortez | CleanTechnica

what should be asked (and is somewhat addressed in the resolution) is what we have to LOOSE if we don't meet these goals

~S~

The better question is, what will we have to lose if we do meet them?

I find it truly odd that Progressives tell us exactly what they want to do and then their "supporters" set about telling us what they really meant.

The problem is even if we did all those things on that list, they would still be complaining and wanting more.

Years ago the feds told us that our state is too dirty, so they forced us into having our vehicles tested in the areas where the meter hit the red line. E-Check has cost Ohioans tens of millions of dollars. After ten years or so, they measured the air quality again and found no change. So what did they do? Insist we continue the failed program.
Since scientist can't tell us exactly what will occur or when it will occur and there is no way of knowing that the proposed changes will be enough to alter climate change, rest easy because little or nothing is going to be done, at least not in our lifetime.

Developing nations will continue to develop which will create huge amounts of greenhouse gases. They have seen the wealth and prosperity that has grown out of the industrial revolutions of more advanced countries and they will not be persuaded to alter their course. China, arguable the highest producer of greenhouse gases is making positive steps but there is no way they are going to make sacrifices in economic growth to do what is needed. The United States is not likely to do much of anything for fear of loss of economic growth and dramatic changes needed. Americans are far too fat, dumb, and happy to make any real sacrifices and the huge multinational corporations are laying their plans now for how they will profit from climate change.

I have no idea what you consider "enough." I've seen plenty just in my line of work alone. One of the most costly was when GW was President and the EPA mandated lower sulfur fuel. Prior to that, diesel fuel was fifty-cents to a dollar cheaper than gasoline. After the regulation went in force, it went to a dollar a gallon over gasoline. It's still in that range today.

Now this is on top of all the other costly measures that were forced upon us to have a "greener" country. Trucks have a shut-off mode it goes into if the truck is running with the parking break on after five minutes. Some drivers are now keeping the tractor brake off and using the trailer brakes only to park the truck before getting loaded or unloaded just so the stupid thing doesn't shut off. It's not nearly as safe as having both braking systems engaged at the same time.

What you are talking about is to keep pumping trillions of dollars into green until we see results. While we may not see results in our quality of air or climate, we will see results in our economy as those trillions of dollars vanish from circulation and end up being wasted in fruitless attempts to live in liberal utopia.
 
Whzst the fuck does yiour stupid post have to do with mine?

Corn loses a percentage of its yield on every day the temps are above 90/95%.

I guess you don't look at the future or don't have any kids.

So you think we should have let the building industry continue with asbestos in our homes & lead paint.

Because, OMG OMG capitalism is about freedom. To you assfucks it is the freedom to sicken & kill people

Idiot, you seek Communism. Glowbull warming is just a story told to the really fucking stupid.

You know I had some dumbfuck last week try and convince me that the polar vortex is caused by glowbull warming? Seriously, this shit for brains moron was so fucking stupid that he didn't even grasp the basis of his own religion, that carbon dioxide "traps heat (as if it dissipates into space :lol: ) like a blanket making Gaia warm, which angers her so she punishes us." I asked this drooling retard how trapping heat causes cold? His answer? "Well it just does, you hate science."

Oh wait, that retard was YOU, wasn't it? That's right...

See, you scumbags have been pushing Communism for 150 years. You think you've found a new angle with your Gaia worship idiocy, but it's still the same old Marxism wrapped in a new package.
 
That's Dr. uneducated, ignorant Trumpette trash to you...

Moron.

Bull shit.

Doctor of stupidity.


DERP

Idiot.

I studied under Eli Goldratt. My (joint) thesis is an extension of his work. You want to know who I really am? Look it up.

This in the internet & I can make up shit too.


Pretty much everything you post is made up. :thup:

To an ignorant person like you, I am sure you never heard any of it before.

Seriously dave, If I want to know your opinion on any given subject, I need only navigate to ThinkProgress or AmericanSocialist.com. It's not like you've ever had a thought. You're a drone, and not a very good one.
 
So you believe Nazis were socialists, in other words you believe all right wing garbage propaganda LOL, brainwashed functional moron. Everyone outside your bubble of garbage propaganda define socialism as always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. See every socialist Party in modern rich countries... Only GOP dupes believe socialism is communism at this point. In the entire world. Also the only fools who deny global warming, progressive tax rates, Great American institutions like the FBI, and stupid Wars.

It's even in their name, moron.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Have you read their platform?

I take socialist for their words. You read NSDAP platform, it's like reading parts of Democrat party platform. No wonder why you like this "Green New Deal".
national socialists are relative right wingers when compared to liberal socialists.
National Socialists are Nazis and far right-wing fascists who should be shot on sight.
they have more in common with the right wing than the left wing.

they are relative right wingers compared to more liberal socialists on the left.

only the right wing never gets it.
No. They don't.

NAZI Germany was Socialism, Government a control of industry, control of speech.

NAZIs were Progressive before Progressive was chic in America.
You are a brainwashed functional moron who believes all right wing garbage propaganda, even fascist nazi propaganda.the first people the Nazis put in concentration camps were Communists and socialists. Communist being totalitarian, socialists Democrats... Your GOP brainwashers love keeping you confused about that. Everywhere but your bubble of garbage Cold War dinosaur propaganda, socialists are always democratic. Change the channel and read something brainwashed functional moron.
 
Well, save your fucking money as you condemn future generations to a more difficult life.

You really need to put down that gun & pick up a brain.,

What a fucking moron you are.

We provide a BETTER life. YOU want to go back to a society of slaves and masters.

All this Communism you promote really is, is a return to feudalism. A tiny elite of Algore and Elon Musk ruling over impoverished masses who work their lands and their factories for them in exchange for scraps from their table.

You want to provide future generations with lives that are short, brutal , and filled with misery.
No one is talking about communism, brainwashed functional moron, everyone is talking about socialism which is always democratic. Every modern country in the world is socialist and run by people who knowno socialism is always Democratic and has nothing to do with what brainwashed functional GOP morons believe. Read something for crying out loud. Anyting but Rupert Murdoch newspapers and that famous drivel, liberal fascism.
 
Here we go again, more of the SSDD from Twinkle Toes.

Bad, bad, bad Democrats...bad bad.............

Bad democrats
Bad Stalinists
Bad Nazis

What is your point?

democrats are fucking gutter scum, a cancer on the human condition.
Did I hit a nerve? LOL.


Not at all. You just seemed surprised that someone would call the cancer that is destroying the nation "bad."

If you fools gain power, we'll all be eating zoo animals to survive within a decade. You are malignant, you destroy anything you touch, anything you infect.
You and your fellow nutters have become totally unhinged.
 
It is funnier than shit to see an uneducated, ignorant Trumpette trash those with an education & call their degrees worthless.


That's Dr. uneducated, ignorant Trumpette trash to you...

Moron.

Bull shit.

Doctor of stupidity.


DERP

Idiot.

I studied under Eli Goldratt. My (joint) thesis is an extension of his work. You want to know who I really am? Look it up.
My father was a doctor, most doctors are some of the worst Republicans there are and believe all the misinformation. My father was for socialized medicine since 1940 and basically kept it a secret...

There were Bolsheviks in the 40's, many working in government.

The John Birch Society in the 1950's said that Communists wanted to take over the public schools to destroy America from within.

Say, weren't YOU a public school teacher, Comrade?Didn't you pervert young minds with lies and evil?
Once again you show yourself to be the most brainwashed fool on the internets LOL. No I taught private school did Rhode island and New Jersey. Everything you know is garbage, idiot..
 
That's Dr. uneducated, ignorant Trumpette trash to you...

Moron.

Bull shit.

Doctor of stupidity.


DERP

Idiot.

I studied under Eli Goldratt. My (joint) thesis is an extension of his work. You want to know who I really am? Look it up.
My father was a doctor, most doctors are some of the worst Republicans there are and believe all the misinformation. My father was for socialized medicine since 1940 and basically kept it a secret...

There were Bolsheviks in the 40's, many working in government.

The John Birch Society in the 1950's said that Communists wanted to take over the public schools to destroy America from within.

Say, weren't YOU a public school teacher, Comrade?Didn't you pervert young minds with lies and evil?
Once again you show yourself to be the most brainwashed fool on the internets LOL. No I taught private school did Rhode island and New Jersey. Everything you know is garbage, idiot..

No, everything you "know" was taught to you in a tightly controlled box. You don't know hoe to think, you don't know how to learn. You regurgitate, the other sad little fact is that there is nothing you type that speaks of an education.
 
So you believe Nazis were socialists, in other words you believe all right wing garbage propaganda LOL, brainwashed functional moron. Everyone outside your bubble of garbage propaganda define socialism as always Democratic Fair capitalism with a good safety net. See every socialist Party in modern rich countries... Only GOP dupes believe socialism is communism at this point. In the entire world. Also the only fools who deny global warming, progressive tax rates, Great American institutions like the FBI, and stupid Wars.

Hitler%20on%20Socialism-L.jpg

Hitler didn't say that.

It was Gregor Strasser, one of Hitlers Lieutenants.

Don't tell me, Hitler disagreed and executed him on the spot.
GOP propagandists just can't stop lying... And the dupes believe it all....

You know a net sum of zero history, so what you don't know is that the quote is real and came from one of the top three Nazis.

Hitler didn't care about economics, Strasser took care of that.

Learn some history, you ignorant fool.
I have a masters in history with a concentration World War 1 & 2 and you are the idiot duh. Unlike any socialist or communist or leftist ever, Hitler had no problem with aristocrats and the hugely rich, unless they were Jews or opponents. Other capitalists were left alone as long as they did what they were told-businesses that had nothing to do with War Industry etc went on without any interference. He did provide full employment but it was a house of cards based on debt and confiscation of Jewish and opponent assets, and they needed to start Wars of conquest before it became obvious. Everything they ever said was lies, dumbass dupe.
 
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