Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study

[M14 Shooter]

Does it make a differance to a person shot dead whether the person shooting him or her is a criminal, or just an idiot that should never have had a gun in the first place? 32,000 gun deaths a year. That is the shame of this nation. And you people root for that number.

Why did you fail to address the questions asked in the OP?
Can't handle the truth?

 

[DiamondDave]

32,000 deaths by the gun per year in the US. But the gun nuts think that is just OK. Were that deaths from a disease, they would be screaming their bloody heads off. The sad part is the number of deaths of children, particularly when the shooter is another child.

Well 20000 were suicide, so now you are down to 12,000 a year.

They like to leave that (and others) tidbit out

 

[Old Rocks]

Does this little girl care that the person that shot her was not a criminal?

Shayla Shonneker, 9-Year-Old Oregon City Girl, Accidentally Shot Dead by Mother's Boyfriend | Moral Low Ground

9-year-old northern Oregon girl has died after being accidentally shot by her mother’s boyfriend while he was handling a pistol.

KPTV reports that Shayla Shonneker was playing in the back yard of her Oregon City home while her mother’s boyfriend, 32-year-old Joseph Wolters, was practicing holstering and unholstering his gun inside the home. The weapon discharged, and the bullet left the home and struck Shonneker in the face.

Police and paramedics rushed to the scene at just after 5 p.m. The gravely wounded girl was airlifted to Oregon Heath and Science University Hospital, where she died.

 

[Old Rocks]

In the states where there are stricter gun laws, the suicide rate was also down.

 

[M14 Shooter]

32,000 deaths by the gun per year in the US. But the gun nuts think that is just OK. Were that deaths from a disease, they would be screaming their bloody heads off. The sad part is the number of deaths of children, particularly when the shooter is another child.

Well 20000 were suicide, so now you are down to 12,000 a year.

They like to leave that (and others) tidbit out

They also like to ignore information that negates their narrative, as we see here.

Further proof that the anti-gun loons can only argue from a position of emotion, ignorance, and/or dishonesty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Does this little girl care that the person that shot her was not a criminal?

Why did you fail to address the questions asked in the OP?
Your refusal to do so only serves to prove that anti-gun l;oons can only argue from emotionm ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In the states where there are stricter gun laws, the suicide rate was also down.

Why did you fail to address the questions asked in the OP?
Your refusal to do so only serves to prove that anti-gun l;oons can only argue from emotionm ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study

Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes, two new studies of government data show.

Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the Pew Research Center.

In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn of the millennium.

The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Tuesday. Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.

The bureau also looked into non-fatal violent crimes. Few victims of such crimes -- less than 1% -- reported using a firearm to defend themselves.

Despite the remarkable drop in gun crime, only 12% of Americans surveyed said gun crime had declined compared with two decades ago, according to Pew, which surveyed more than 900 adults this spring. Twenty-six percent said it had stayed the same, and 56% thought it had increased

Gun crime has plunged, but Americans think it's up, says study - latimes.com
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
Now.... why would the public think gun crime is up?
Wait - I know: Fox News!

And, if gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?

Just as imprtantly.... if gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

BTW, when it comes to Concealed-Carry permits, you know what a "shall-issue" state is as opposed to a "may issue" state, right?

In a "shall-issue" state, when you apply for a concealed-carry permit, they must issue it to you unless they can find a good reason (you are a felon, you are underage etc.) not to.

In a "may issue" state, they can refuse you the permit for any reason at all, like if you didn't give them a good enough reason why you should have one. These are sometimes called "shall die" states, since it seems like that's what it takes to get a permit sometimes.

So now this report comes out from the U.S. Justice Dept, saying gun crimes have gone way down over the last few decades.

Do you suppose that has anything to do with the fact that the number of "shall issue" states has gone way up during the same period, and the number of "may issues" states had gone way down? In other words, a LOT more law-abiding citizens have been able to carry concealed weapons.

And what do you know? Gun crime went WAY down.

Naw, that couldn't have had anything to do with it. Nope, nope.

 

[Little-Acorn]

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still looking for answers:

- Why would the public think gun crime is up?
- If gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?
- If gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

 

[007]

Still looking for answers:

- Why would the public think gun crime is up?

Constitution/America hating, total gun confiscation nut job, leftist commie propaganda.

- If gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?

None.

- If gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

Yes.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still looking for answers:
- Why would the public think gun crime is up?

Constitution/America hating, total gun confiscation nut job, leftist commie propaganda.

- If gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?

None.

- If gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

Yes.

Why do you hate black people?

 

[NoNukes]

Liberal propaganda is going to have to work over time on this one.

More guns, less crime.

Simple, tougher gun laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Still looking for answers:

- Why would the public think gun crime is up?
- If gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?
- If gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

 

[edthecynic]

Still looking for answers:

- Why would the public think gun crime is up?
- If gun crime is down, what sound argument is there for -more- gun control?
- If gun crime has dropped over the last 20 years while the number of guns has gone up, doesn't this negate the claim that more guns = more crime?

The OP is a perfect example of how to mislead with stats. When you measure from a peak as a starting point it will always look downhill from there, nearly all the reduction was in the 1990s after that its been flat. There are actually more firearm homicides today than 1999 according to this chart from the cited study in the OP.

Also when you eliminate other factors you can make stats say anything, like ignoring the fact that ALL violent crime is down from its peak in the 1990s.

Look at the last 2 columns in the chart from the cited report in the OP. The percent of all violence involving a gun is up since 1995, and firearm homicides is up since 1993, so ALL violence is down due to better policing, as the percent of all violent crime and homicides involving firearms increases. There is less violent crime overall, but a larger percent of that reduced crime involves firearms.

Another interesting chart from the cited study in the OP is the Northeast, which has the strictest gun laws, has the lowest gun violence.

 

[Little-Acorn]

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Why did you fail to address the questions asked in the OP?
Can't handle the truth?

It's called "hastily changing the subject when you're losing the argument".

Also known as "Running away at high speed with your tail clamped firmly between your hind legs".

Notice that OldRocks has done it three times in his three posts.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Liberal propaganda is going to have to work over time on this one.

More guns, less crime.

Simple, tougher gun laws.

You mean, like the so-called "Assault weapons ban" expiring?

And the huge increase in states that issue concealed-carry permits to most any resident who applies, while the number of states that refuse those permits to most applicants has fallen just as hugely?

Those "tougher gun laws"?

 

[hortysir]

Looks like stricter gun laws are working.

Which stricter gun laws have been passed since 1993?

 

[Harry Dresden]

32,000 deaths by the gun per year in the US. But the gun nuts think that is just OK. Were that deaths from a disease, they would be screaming their bloody heads off. The sad part is the number of deaths of children, particularly when the shooter is another child.

Well 20000 were suicide, so now you are down to 12,000 a year.

and take away the Gang banging deaths.... how come i never see any of these Anti-Gun Nuts talking about the little kids who are killed daily in the inner cities by the REAL Gun Nuts the Gangs?.......