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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN


Oh shit!! the truth is out there

The law was instated to prevent mass shootings.

this is what we call a fail.

yes it prevented mass shootings, which catch headlines, but failed to make Aus any safer and actually made it more dangerous

 

[idb]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN


Oh shit!! the truth is out there

The law was instated to prevent mass shootings.

this is what we call a fail.

yes it prevented mass shootings, which catch headlines, but failed to make Aus any safer and actually made it more dangerous

It didn't make it any more dangerous, and it achieved its desired result...to stop mass shootings.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Except for it didn't stop them. So it is a fail.

 

[idb]

Except for it didn't stop them. So it is a fail.

But it did...so it's a win.

 

[Two Thumbs]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN


Oh shit!! the truth is out there

The law was instated to prevent mass shootings.

this is what we call a fail.

yes it prevented mass shootings, which catch headlines, but failed to make Aus any safer and actually made it more dangerous

It didn't make it any more dangerous, and it achieved its desired result...to stop mass shootings.

since you didn't read the link;




AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


Aus is a more violent and dangerous place since the ban

 

[PratchettFan]

nope hes not in the right country.

90% want more gun laws and the scotus says they are perfectly legal.

Once the money people are beaten back into submission by the people then we will get the new gun laws

Nice number, but irrelevant. Because if you ask those same 90% (a number I question) what laws they want you get such a variance that there is no consensus. None of the current laws being put forth would have any effect upon what is happening. They are a waste of time.

I am always willing to consider solutions so long as they are a solution. So far, I have only seen feel good motions which solve nothing.

 

[Two Thumbs]

this is what we call a fail.

yes it prevented mass shootings, which catch headlines, but failed to make Aus any safer and actually made it more dangerous

It didn't make it any more dangerous, and it achieved its desired result...to stop mass shootings.

since you didn't read the link;




AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


Aus is a more violent and dangerous place since the ban

This is the kind of stuff anti-Constitutionalists want here in America. Following what passes for logic, when it predictably gets worse, they will demand even further restrictions, and when it gets worse again, even more restrictions.


There's no reasoning with such people

 

[idb]

this is what we call a fail.

yes it prevented mass shootings, which catch headlines, but failed to make Aus any safer and actually made it more dangerous

It didn't make it any more dangerous, and it achieved its desired result...to stop mass shootings.

since you didn't read the link;


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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


Aus is a more violent and dangerous place since the ban

You're wrong, I read the link and I read the further link within the article.
As I said, the law was intended to prevent mass shootings and it has.
People still have the same God-given freedom to own firearms and shoot other people that they always had...it just isn't as easy to do it en masse as it was before.

 

[Two Thumbs]

It didn't make it any more dangerous, and it achieved its desired result...to stop mass shootings.

since you didn't read the link;


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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


Aus is a more violent and dangerous place since the ban

You're wrong, I read the link and I read the further link within the article.
As I said, the law was intended to prevent mass shootings and it has.
People still have the same God-given freedom to own firearms and shoot other people that they always had...it just isn't as easy to do it en masse as it was before.

So the end result of more people being killed, in smaller numbers, is a win?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Except for it didn't stop them. So it is a fail.

But it did...so it's a win.

So the 2002 mass shooting doesn't count then?

 

[g5000]

The Aussies have passed reasonable gun control and nothing happened except a reduction in violence and an END to mass shootings.

Can strict gun controls work?

I would not call Australia's confiscating of innocent people's guns against their will "reasonable" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Little-Acorn]

the scotus says they are perfectly legal.

No, the Supreme Court said they are not yet ruling on the constitutionality of so-called "reasonable restrictions", and that we should not draw any conclusions about their consitutionality from the recent Heller and McDonald opinions.

Constant vigiliance is necessary to police the lies of the paranoid gun-haters.

 

[PratchettFan]

The Aussies have passed reasonable gun control and nothing happened except a reduction in violence and an END to mass shootings.

Can strict gun controls work?

I would not call Australia's confiscating of innocent people's guns against their will "reasonable" by any stretch of the imagination.

I suppose one could aruge either way, but it is irrelevant to our situation. Austrailia does not have the 2nd amendment. We do. So any law must be in compliance with the 2nd amendment.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The Aussies have passed reasonable gun control and nothing happened except a reduction in violence and an END to mass shootings.

Can strict gun controls work?

I would not call Australia's confiscating of innocent people's guns against their will "reasonable" by any stretch of the imagination.

And Aus gun confiscation actually failed b/c Aus is far more a violent place now than it was before.

Not that liberals feel a need to check the facts they get from comedians, b/c comedians never lie or stretch the truth or just make shit up for a laugh.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Strange how even more households had guns 50 year ago, there were far less restrictions than today, and yet we had only a fraction of gun violence compared to today.

The problem isn't guns, it's societal decay.

 

[idb]

since you didn't read the link;


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Does School Choice Reduce Crime?

When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens

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How Australia Got Its Triple-A Credit Rating Back


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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.


Aus is a more violent and dangerous place since the ban

You're wrong, I read the link and I read the further link within the article.
As I said, the law was intended to prevent mass shootings and it has.
People still have the same God-given freedom to own firearms and shoot other people that they always had...it just isn't as easy to do it en masse as it was before.

So the end result of more people being killed, in smaller numbers, is a win?

It's not more people getting killed, the trend is downwards.
I'm not suggesting that it's all down to the semi-auto regulations, but one more tool out of the hands of criminals bent on mayhem must be a good thing.

Americans might be happy to have their regular background level of gun-deaths punctuated by atrocities, but clearly the Australians weren't - and they've fixed it.

Now that they've made it harder to cause death on a mass scale, they can look at addressing the reasons why the individual murders are occurring.

 

[westwall]

The Aussies have passed reasonable gun control and nothing happened except a reduction in violence and an END to mass shootings.

Can strict gun controls work?

I have friends in the NSW police departments who would say that is total BS. But they're on the ground and the MSM isn't. Who to believe?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research says this....

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Additionally "hot" burglaries (where intruders enter a house KNOWING someone is inside thus making the chance of a violent encounter greater) is 85% whereas in the US it is 15%.


NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

 

[idb]

Except for it didn't stop them. So it is a fail.

But it did...so it's a win.

So the 2002 mass shooting doesn't count then?

What are you talking about?
I just want to be clear.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

It's already been posted in the thread. Do I really need to post it a second time?

Jeebus...

The Monash University shooting refers to a shooting in which a student shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. It took place at Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 21 October 2002.

 

[idb]

The Aussies have passed reasonable gun control and nothing happened except a reduction in violence and an END to mass shootings.

Can strict gun controls work?

I have friends in the NSW police departments who would say that is total BS. But they're on the ground and the MSM isn't. Who to believe?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research says this....

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Additionally "hot" burglaries (where intruders enter a house KNOWING someone is inside thus making the chance of a violent encounter greater) is 85% whereas in the US it is 15%.


NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research - Bureau of Crime Stats & Research : Lawlink NSW

Are you saying that's because there are less semi-automatic weapons in private hands?