Gun Grabber leader was on Tucker Carlson and used all the lies they normally use...

[BULLDOG]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

It's a killing tool, but not one gun has ever killed on its own. That's the key that you liberals aren't smart enough to understand.

You would be had set to find any reason to believe I am afraid of guns. I'm afraid of gun nuts with guns.

I didn't say you were afraid of anything. Did you bother to read my post? Can you read?

That is a common gun nut accusation, and your statement, even though wrong, did imply as much. If you say guns alone can't kill, perhaps you can explain the remington 700 problem to me.

 

[MaryL]

gODDNESS GRAVCIOUS

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

I always explain what a gun is designed to do.....a gun was created and designed to save the life of the user.....from violent criminal attack.....or, it can be used to provide food. Most of the time, guns can keep the owner safe and never leave the holster.....police officers keep the peace and rarely, if ever use their guns...dittos for soldiers.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year, according to bill clinton and barak obama.....the majority of the time they are used they are never fired, they are simply used to warn an attacker to stop the attack...they then run away or surrender. When he criminal is too stupid or crazy to heed the warning, even when the gun is used it rarely kills the attacker, merely wounding them so they can be captured for police.....and with 1,500,000 defensive gun uses a year, criminals are only fatally stupid about 235 times a year....out of 1,500,000 defensive gun uses...


I have stated this fact over and over, you pretend I haven't said it to make stupid points....

OK, but I;m still not clear on how you say you can us it as a tool without using it. Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them. That brings me back to my question If it's not a tool to shoot and kill someone, what kind of tool is it?

No....you use an alarm system and much of the time simply having the sign in your yard makes the robber or burglar go to another home.....

Of course when you use that particular tool, it involves shooting someone with a pretty good chance of killing them

And again....No...you are wrong. There are 1,500,000 defensive gun uses in this country...according to bill clinton and barak obama through the Department of Justice and the CDC.......of those defensive gun uses, only about 235 end up in a dead criminal...as per the FBI.....so no, you don't have to fire the "tool" for it to do it's job, which is to preserve the life of the user. It can stop a violent attack by simply being displayed in the holster...a friend of mine did just that, or by drawing and pointing the gun at the attackers..

.as this woman did...

Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.

Or this man did...

Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart

On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.

According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”

An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”

or this man did...

CCW Permit Holder In CA Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With His Glock Until Police Arrive

FRESNO, CALIFORNIA — A pocket-carrying homeowner took matters into his own hands when he saw someone walking around inside his home as he was outside doing yard work.

That homeowner, who did not want to be identified, says he’s had his concealed carry permit for 50 years in California and it’s the first time he’s ever been forced to draw.

When police arrived, accompanied by helicopter with a good visual on the situation, they found the homeowner with his Glock trained on the suspect, 54-year-old Enrique Garza.

Police hailed the homeowner’s actions, saying it was a good thing his gun wasn’t sitting inside a safe, out of reach when needed most.

“If not for having a CCW, he probably wouldn’t have his gun on him, it probably would have been locked in a safe, and he wouldn’t have had access to it in order to hold this suspect accountable,” said Fresno County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Tony Botti.


Or these women did...

Concealed Carrier Holds Burglar At Gunpoint With Her FNX .45

CLEVELAND, TENNESSEE — A woman successfully subdued a would-be burglar outside her home using her FNX .45. The suspect, James Jeffrey Dunn, was allegedly trying to break in through her front door late at night. She got her handgun and confronted the burglar, according to WRCB. Once at the doorway, she yelled through the door for him to stay put and not move. Moments later, she confronted him head-on — handgun drawn and ready to go.

via WRCB

“I tried to order him to stay right where he was at and I pointed the gun at him and I came running off the porch and I came within 10 feet of him and he laid the bicycle down and he crumpled on top of the bicycle,” she says.

She held him at gunpoint until Cleveland Police arrived and arrested Dunn, 35, on charges of aggravated burglary, theft, and burglary of a motor vehicle. Police note that Dunn had an arrest sheet tallying over 40 charges — the most recent being only 6 hours prior to his attempted burglary of this concealed carrier.

“We went over this when we got my concealed carry permit, these types of scenarios. But I had already put that gun up and ever taken it out since, you know?” she says. “Maybe to go the range once.”

When we talk about the new generation of concealed carriers, let’s take a good long look at the realities these people are facing: hardened, career criminals unafraid to bust through the door or do damage to private property and persons. It’s a good thing this woman had the proper training she needed and the right equipment.



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If it makes you feel safer to have a yard sign strapped to you, along with that fire extinguisher you talked about before, and prance through town pretending to be Rambo, I don;t have a problem with either. Those can't kill me or my loved ones because you are too much of a coward to leave them at home.

I don't need or want a firearm to protect me or loved ones. It's to bad we are making this an issue, DAMN, we WE need guns to protect Us from people With them? Bugger me. Jesus.

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

I would gladly exchange our murder rate for Austrailias

Then you would have to change our people......they had a low gun murder rate before they banned guns....and now their gun crime rate is going up...after they banned guns...how do you explain that? Melbourne, Australia is now called "The City of the Gun," again, after they banned and confiscated guns. One of the factors that is increasing gun violence...they imported immigrants who are now creating a new breed of drug gang...more violent, more willing to shoot to kill.....

They recently had a 3 part story on the escalating gun violence in Australia, the island nation that banned and confiscated guns....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.

But....military weapons?

And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[2aguy]

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The media plays dishonest numbers game with guns

Thanks for that Mindwars...time for a thread....

 

[PredFan]

I don't know the guys name....he used to be with Everytown for gun grabbing and now he runs his own anti-Constitutional Rights group....

He used the typical lies and tactics of gun grabbers...

He said that high capacity magazines like the one used at the baseball shooting could be banned to save lives......but that was the typical bait and switch because what he meant wasn't rifles....because those are rarely used in crime....which he pointed to, street crime....but pistols are...so when he talked about high capacity magazines he really meant pistols, not rifles....Bait and Switch...

Then he used a nonsense statement from Matt Damon claiming that Australia hasn't had any mass shootings since they banned and confiscated guns.....lying in saying that Australian guns laws stopped mass shootings.....they have had shootings in Australia, one or two that actually qualify as mass public shootings, and then they have had about a dozen others that were not mass shootings only because the shooter, with a gun, didn't kill 3 people....they shot at people, they wounded people...they just didn't hit the number 3.....

and of course gun crimes in Australia is now escalating to the point Melbourne, Australia has the nickname..."City of the Gun....."

And he also said they know that universal background checks would lower gun violence...and this is also a lie.....the criminals who can't pass current federal background checks wouldn't pass a private background check.....which is why criminals don't do current federal background checks and they get around them by using straw buyers....people with clean records who buy the guns...which means a straw buyer would also pass a universal background check for a private sale.....or the criminals steal the guns, from gun stores, train cars, homes or automobiles.....bypassing both current background checks and any future, universal check on a private sale....

This is why we don't trust anti-gunners.......they are not honest, and nothing they want to do will actually lower the gun crime rate.......each action they take is simply the next step toward getting rid of guns, one category at a time........they will not stop at pistols that hold 10 rounds only, they will go on to say any magazine fed weapon is a weapon of war...or a killing tool....and they will eventually say we can't have those....

Not one more gun, bullet or piece of equipment...we know what the anti-gunners want...and we know the tactics they use.

If a gun isn't a killing tool, what kind of tool is it? Can you drive nails with them, or dig a ditch? You have said a gun is just a tool quite often, but you never explained what kind of tool it is.

It's a killing tool, but not one gun has ever killed on its own. That's the key that you liberals aren't smart enough to understand.

You would be had set to find any reason to believe I am afraid of guns. I'm afraid of gun nuts with guns.

I didn't say you were afraid of anything. Did you bother to read my post? Can you read?

That is a common gun nut accusation, and your statement, even though wrong, did imply as much. If you say guns alone can't kill, perhaps you can explain the remington 700 problem to me.

No it's not.
No, I didn't.
No, you are too stupid to explain anything to.