FA_Q2
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That is irrelevant to the points given. No one has ever remotely made this claim. You do realize that an armed insurrection occurs precisely because the ability to address grievances is lost. It is a last ditch effort because the government has run away.Provided its understood the Second Amendment doesnt trump the First Amendment.
Again, no one has ever claimed any such thing. There is no minority overthrowing the government because it is tyrannical. IT takes a clear and overwhelming MAJORITY to do so. That is simple fact. Any insurrection that is only supported by a small minority is going to fall VERY fast as they are fighting a deck firmly stacked against them.The people retain the right to petition government for a redress of grievances via the ballot box and the Federal courts first; the people do not have the right to change government via armed insurrection because a minority of the population subjectively perceives the Federal government as tyrannical.
A completely asinine argument. Again, you seek such change precisely because such rights no longer exist. This is one of the core reasons that there is no real movement to do such a thing. We are not even close to an armed rebellion we still have the right to speak and the right to vote 2 avenues that are far more effective. When we LOOSE those rights, then such a conversation becomes serious.Indeed, it would be un-Constitutional to seek change in the context of armed revolt, as that would abridge the right of the people to a republican form of government, as guaranteed by the Constitution in Article IV, Section 4.
Besides, an armed rebellion is illegal by its very nature even if it is the right thing to do (and it is right if the right circumstances are met). The constitution directly addresses this though without having to resort to muddled logic in pitting one amendment against the other:
It gives congress the right to suppress insurrections:
Article 1 section 8
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
And makes such Treason.
Article 3 section 3
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
The fact that armed rebellion is against the constitution means nothing as for the purpose of the second amendment though. While technically illegal according to the constitution, the founders identified that it is the RIGHT of the people to overthrow a corrupt government and the second is one of the cornerstones that protects that ability. You cannot challenge an enemy if you are not armed.