Guns and Assault Rifles are not the Problem, mentally ill people with Guns and assault rifles are the problem.

[Blues Man]

The sane person plan is to use Red Flag Laws.
Identify the crazy, and take away their guns.

Yet, you think this in an "Infringement" and you support the crazy keeping their weapons, then you blame others by saying those others want to kill children and teachers, when in FACT it's you that demands that the crazy are allowed to keep their guns. Crazy huh!

Your simple mind allowed you to stray from anything sane to the crazy.

Red flag laws are an end run around the Constitution

 

[2aguy]

Red flag laws are an end run around the Constitution

Yep.......and unnecessary. We have all the laws we need to deal with the dangerously mentally ill.......but the democrats don't use them because the goal is banning and confiscating guns from normal people...not stopping actual criminals with guns.

 

[Blues Man]

Hospitals mop up societies problems.

you mean like opiate addiction caused by doctors?

 

[Blues Man]

Do other developed nations not have mentally ill people? How come their rates of firearms homicide and mass killings are so much lower than that of the US?

Does the US drive its citizens crazy?

Don't know don't care all I know is it's none of your fucking business, foreigner.

 

[Blues Man]

Got it.......

So the crazy down the street gets to keep his guns, when fiends, neighbors, and family go to the police and warn them that he could snap at any moment, and he has mentioned harming/killing others.

We have Red Flags, but you insist that taking away the crazy guys guns is an infringement on his rights..........BTW.....fuck all the rights of people that just want to stay alive.

We have a legal means of proving a person to be mentally ill.

 

[Kruska]

....mentally ill people with Guns and assault rifles are the problem​

Yes - and it is a persistent problem since there are no effective laws/regulations in place that prevent morons and sickos to purchase guns in the first place.

 

[Blues Man]

....mentally ill people with Guns and assault rifles are the problem​

Yes - and it is a persistent problem since there are no effective laws/regulations in place that prevent morons and sickos to purchase guns in the first place.

We already have a legal means of adjudicating a person to be mentally ill. It is a difficult process , as it should be.

 

[Kruska]

We already have a legal means of adjudicating a person to be mentally ill. It is a difficult process , as it should be.

By the time one finds out that a person might be a mental case it's already too late - usually this "the person was disturbed" always seems to come up AFTER, 8 schoolkids or whoever got shot.
Also it would lead to deliberate false random accusations - a republican and democratic neighbor hating each other - okay lets push mental issues towards this or that guy.

No just some simple adjustments in regards to regulations towards obtaining firearms, would partially solve the problem far better IMO - but hey, its your country anyway.

 

[Blues Man]

By the time one finds out that a person might be a mental case it's already too late - usually this "the person was disturbed" always seems to come up AFTER, 8 schoolkids or whoever got shot.
Also it would lead to deliberate false random accusations - a republican and democratic neighbor hating each other - okay lets push mental issues towards this or that guy.

No just some simple adjustments in regards to regulations towards obtaining firearms, would partially solve the problem far better IMO - but hey, its your country anyway.

And what adjustments are those that do not put an onus on the majority of people who are not mentally ill ?

 

[Smokin' OP]

It is the plan of the Marxists to allow the mentally ill people to get their hands on weapons

Trump and his cult.

Trump Repeals Rule Designed To Block Gun Sales ...​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › sections › thetwo-way › 2017/02/28
Feb 28, 2017 — The president signed a measure into law that rescinds an Obama-era rule aimed at blocking gun sales to certain mentally ill people.

Trump Blames Mental Illness for Shootings, Block Obama- ...​

Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com › Politics › News
Aug 6, 2019 — Trump blocked a proposed Obama-era rule that made it more difficult for some individuals with diagnosed mental illnesses to obtain firearms.

and use them on children and teachers because the Marxists think that they can then take the guns away from everyone, and the stupid people will rejoice..

Your stupid for believing a 32 year old lie.
Then again, gullible teabaggers bought Trump's BS, hook, line and sinker.

Lets ask a certain group of people what happened when the government last took their weapons away.

Indians didn't bring guns into the US, the English did and used them to kill Indians and Indians used them to kill Americans.
So, naturally they disarmed them to prevent their own deaths.
Indians had no constitutional right to own guns, in the first place.

 

[Kruska]

And what adjustments are those that do not put an onus on the majority of people who are not mentally ill ?

Example - the purchaser has to undergo an evaluation at an official rifle or shooting range/club - including handling the weapon.
It is the rife club that would then decide if one is fit to own a gun - if anything happens - the rifle-club is also taken into the responsibility

Looking forward, as to how many rifle-clubs will randomly distribute permits to people they might find not to be "suitable"

 

[Smokin' OP]

if they go through proper due process its fine,,

Teabaggers have no problem banning books, libraries, school boards, election boards, polling places, free speech, school course, colleges etc. without due process, that teabaggers claim nut jobs should have.

 

[Blues Man]

Example - the purchaser has to undergo an evaluation at an official rifle or shooting range/club - including handling the weapon.
It is the rife club that would then decide if one is fit to own a gun - if anything happens - the rifle-club is also taken into the responsibility

Looking forward, as to how many rifle-clubs will randomly distribute permits to people they might find not to be "suitable"

That would not be allowed.

We do not put the onus on the individual to prove he is allowed to exercise a right or not.

For example we cannot force people to undergo testing to decide if they are eligible to vote or exercise freedom of religion. And we would never allow a third party business to decide who is or is not allowed to exercise his rights.

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the premise that rights are not granted by government but rather that rights are inherent in every person.

 

[Smokin' OP]

That would not be allowed.

We do not put the onus on the individual to prove he is allowed to exercise a right or not.

For example we cannot force people to undergo testing to decide if they are eligible to vote or exercise freedom of religion. And we would never allow a third party business to decide who is or is not allowed to exercise his rights.

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the premise that rights are not granted by government but rather that rights are inherent in every person.

WTF?
Who grants people "rights"?
A person just doesn't decide "I have a right".

 

[Blues Man]

WTF?
Who grants people "rights"?
A person just doesn't decide "I have a right".

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the premise that rights belong to the individual , that rights are not granted by the government because they are inalienable.

Read a fucking history book

 

[Smokin' OP]

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the premise that rights belong to the individual , that rights are not granted by the government because they are inalienable.

Read a fucking history book

Really?
Which one declares the people can make up their own rights?

 

[Blues Man]

Really?
Which one declares the people can make up their own rights?

How about the part in the Bill of rights that states that people have more rights than are enumerated in the Constitution?

How about the part where inalienable rights are granted by the creator not the fucking government?

 

[Smokin' OP]

How about the part in the Bill of rights that states that people have more rights than are enumerated in the Constitution?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????
Who wrote the constitution and the bill of rights?

How about the part where inalienable rights are granted by the creator not the fucking government?

What creator?
The CREATOR of the declaration of independence?

Our FIRST government.

 

[Blues Man]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm???????????????
Who wrote the constitution and the bill of rights?

What creator?
The CREATOR of the declaration of independence?

Our FIRST government.

Neither the Constitution nor the Bill of rights grants rights to the people.

and it's not the creator of the government you Idiot it's the creator of the PEOPLE. and that is not a religious argument to me but rather a human argument.

 

[Kruska]

That would not be allowed.

We do not put the onus on the individual to prove he is allowed to exercise a right or not.

For example we cannot force people to undergo testing to decide if they are eligible to vote or exercise freedom of religion. And we would never allow a third party business to decide who is or is not allowed to exercise his rights.

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the premise that rights are not granted by government but rather that rights are inherent in every person.

Bullshit - according to you, anyone can go to a car-shop - buy a car and therefore automatically obtain a drivers license - you are obviously one of those gun idiots - for sure. Have a nice day.
As for me, I would NEVER tolerate people who have guns and can't even proof that they are able to handle them. And you can bet your life on it, that some idiot or retard (no need to be mentally ill) does not pass a properly conducted driver license test.