Guns vs God - Guns are winning

[Flopper]

I also think its difficult when one side sees dead children as collateral damage.
I agree that it looks like a huge undertaking but times have changed since your constiitution was written and unless you want to live in compounds something needs to b done.
How do you eat an elephant ? One piece at a time.

I think that elephant is a whale. We could do things that would reduce the magnitude of mass gun violence but we can not eliminated it because Americans want to buy guns and the 2nd amendment protects that right.

We could ban assault style weapons. We did in 1994 for ten years. After its ban, mass shootings were down in the decade that followed, in comparison to the decade before the ban. We still had mass shootings and the ban had little effect on gun violence in the country.

We can also spend many billions of dollars making schools, auditoriums, and other places where people gather more safe. However we would still have mass shooting and doing so would have only minimal effect on gun violence.

Lastly, we can put a lot more money into mental health. However, there are several problems with this in regard to stopping mass shootings. First, being most mass murders are not mentally ill in the clinical sense that would require hospitalization. Those problems range from social isolation, low self esteem, and depression to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. However, if all mass murders where being treated, most would still be walking the streets and able to get guns. What would be needed is mental health counseling for most of the country, which is not going to happen.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Reagan closed down all the mental instiytutions. Thatcher did it over here as well. Every town in the uk has a group of crazy fuckers wandering about doing the best they can. But ours dont have accsss to guns. Yours do..
You try and make this a dopey political issue and its a lot ssimpler. Its guns.

Here's a thought. Leave the citizen's rights intact, and reopen the all the mental institutions.
^ Gee. That was hard...

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Here's a thought. Leave the citizen's rights intact, and reopen the all the mental institutions.
^ Gee. That was hard...

Texas just cut spending on mental health.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I think that elephant is a whale. We could do things that would reduce the magnitude of mass gun violence but we can not eliminated it because Americans want to buy guns and the 2nd amendment protects that right.

We could ban assault style weapons. We did in 1994 for ten years. After its ban, mass shootings were down in the decade that followed, in comparison to the decade before the ban. We still had mass shootings and the ban had little effect on gun violence in the country.

We can also spend many billions of dollars making schools, auditoriums, and other places where people gather more safe. However we would still have mass shooting and doing so would have only minimal effect on gun violence.

Lastly, we can put a lot more money into mental health. However, there are several problems with this in regard to stopping mass shootings. First, being most mass murders are not mentally ill in the clinical sense that would require hospitalization. Those problems range from social isolation, low self esteem, and depression to bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. However, if all mass murders where being treated, most would still be walking the streets and able to get guns. What would be needed is mental health counseling for most of the country, which is not going to happen.

It will take time. My society is in a similar state and if we had guns we would probably be as much of a mess as the US.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

The slaughter of innocent little children must give some to reflect on their faith. I know some people who gave up on religion after Dunblane.

America does nothing after any of these atrocities. There are examples of countries where these things dont happen.Would God expect you to take learning from this ?

He is showing you the way but you are not paying attention.

Abraham God is phony and no one cares any longer…

 

[yidnar]

You are a powerful advocate for killing children Bob. You dont give a shit about them do you .

Americans with common sense want armed security in our schools ! the only people mocking that are leftists like you .

 

[The Irish Ram]

Texas just cut spending on mental health.

Then Texas is wrong...

 

[whitehall]

"No atheists in the foxholes". "A wing and a prayer" "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition". Sometimes guns have to be used to enforce God's agenda.

 

[Cougarbear]

The slaughter of innocent little children must give some to reflect on their faith. I know some people who gave up on religion after Dunblane.

America does nothing after any of these atrocities. There are examples of countries where these things dont happen.Would God expect you to take learning from this ?

He is showing you the way but you are not paying attention.

The slaughter of little children occurs by faithless persons who don't believe in God. As we see a decline in faith and belief towards science and godlessness, we see an increase in violence. Follow the science means there will be more killing. We didn't have these mass shootings back when we had opening prayers in schools and said the Pledge of the Allegiance. They have been replaced communism, socialism, sex confusion, race baiting and much more leftist liberal nonsense. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Fix the people. Go to church. Learn to love one another.

 

[Flopper]

Then Texas is wrong...

Before we throw billions of dollars into mental health we need to examine what actually works and is likely to have the greatest benefit for society. I have two members of my family who work in mental health counseling and care of the menially disabled and a granddaughter that is seriously mentally ill. I can tell you from first hand experience, our current mental health system simply is far from being successful. It focuses primarily on adults helping them cope with everyday life. Dealing successfully with root problems that started when they were young is just not possible.

IMHO, we need to direct mental health dollars at the young. This is where most of the problems begin. Almost all mass murders are maladjusted, most have suffered from years of social isolation, bullying, abuse, and depression. The payoff for better mentally health in our kids is huge. It can improve just about everything in American society. There is nothing in our country more important than the mental health of our the young.

Simply increasing dollars going into special education is not the answer. We need trained mental health counselors in the schools to deal with bullying, social isolation, and abuse. To my knowledge there are no schools that have dedicated mental health counselors. Schools have guidance counselors whose primary job is scheduling kids in classes, getting kids graduated, handling transfers, transcripts, college and job placement, and other office work.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Before we throw billions of dollars into mental health we need to examine what actually works and is likely to have the greatest benefit for society. I have two members of my family who work in mental health counseling and care of the menially disabled and a granddaughter that is seriously mentally ill. I can tell you from first hand experience, our current mental health system simply is far from being successful. It focuses primarily on adults helping them cope with everyday life. Dealing successfully with root problems that started when they were young is just not possible.

IMHO, we need to direct mental health dollars at the young. This is where most of the problems begin. Almost all mass murders are maladjusted, most have suffered from years of social isolation, bullying, abuse, and depression. The payoff for better mentally health in our kids is huge. It can improve just about everything in American society. There is nothing in our country more important than the mental health of our the young.

Simply increasing dollars going into special education is not the answer. We need trained mental health counselors in the schools to deal with bullying, social isolation, and abuse. To my knowledge there are no schools that have dedicated mental health counselors. Schools have guidance counselors whose primary job is scheduling kids in classes, getting kids graduated, handling transfers, transcripts, college and job placement, and other office work.

Agree with dollars not being the end all, but the beginning. Both my daughters are mental health counselors, one for a school district in North Carolina. So, some do pay attention to the children. Luckily for that school system, they have a counselor that started shooting at target at 6 years old. She knows first hand that guns don't cause mental illness. I got to her before the leftists did. She has common sense to draw on.

 

[Flopper]

Agree with dollars not being the end all, but the beginning. Both my daughters are mental health counselors, one for a school district in North Carolina. So, some do pay attention to the children. Luckily for that school system, they have a counselor that started shooting at target at 6 years old. She knows first hand that guns don't cause mental illness. I got to her before the leftists did. She has common sense to draw on.

Reduction in crime and gun violence is only one of many ways good mental health in kids will benefit us all.

 

[The Irish Ram]

We have to stop our government from doing the opposite.
Fund the police. Stop letting criminals out of prison. Stop letting them in our country. Stop letting them bring drugs across the border. Stop letting teachers raise our children. Teachers are there for acedemia, not to decide what sex they want your child to be. Don't have children you don't intend to rear. Be involved in every aspect of your child's life. Support them, watch them, raise them to be mentally sound, and get them the proper help if they are not. It is NOT the teacher's job. It is ours.