'He wrote all of it down?': Prosecutors claim to have handwritten notes of Trump hush money scheme

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well the appellate court is making this their central focus.

Made up out of thin air

 

[skye]

Always scraping the bottom of the barrel, in search of TDS new....as this thread shows...

It gets dull....yawn

 

[0311]

Sorry,
But the word of a street walking prostitute is not valid. Never will be either. I'd believe even a professional politician over the word of a whore.

And I was not referring to this case but the Mar a lago fraud case where Trump was fined in excess of 350 million dollars.

Does not matter what "Word on the street" is. Diaper Don knowingly and willingly created a false paper trail to cover up hush money Stephanie Clifford. He did NOT want her talking about his extra-marital affair with her while Melania was pregnant with Baron. In creating that false paper trail, he committed fraud. She was hardly street walking prostitute. She was in fact a highly paid adult film actress. Just Karen McDougal was Playboy Bunny when he was banging her.

 

[g5000]

Well the appellate court is making this their central focus. Maybe you should watch them and listen to their concerns....maybe help Letitia out of the mess she currently finds herself in if you believe you have all the answers.

You never read the indictment, did you. Instead, you listened to a lying propagandist.

A basic element of fraud is that someone has to be defrauded and harmed. The purchaser of the property and the bank loaning the money both refused to claim they were harmed or defrauded....in fact just the opposite was claimed by them as they stated they got a good deal.

You didn't follow the trial, did you.

Deutsche Bank immediately terminated all business with Trump once they were informed Trump gave them fraudulent SFCs, and they became a chief witness for the prosecution.

If one gets a lower interest rate on a loan due to fraudulent claims by the borrower, that IS harm. If the lender knew of the real value of Trump's properties, they either would have denied the loan or charged a higher interest rate.

US banks stopped lending to Trump a long time ago because they caught onto his fraud. He went overseas to Deutsche Bank out of desperation, and then he lied to them!

The leopard never changes his spots.

And now Trump had to turn to an online bank with no branch offices to rollover his last loan. That's just how untouchable he is these days.


Trump has a long, long history of fraud.

Trump University: Shut down for fraud.

Trump Organization: Shut down for fraud.

Trump Foundation: Shut down for a "shocking pattern of illegality".

2020 election: Fraudulent electors in seven states.

 

[BackAgain]

 

[berg80]

Does not matter what "Word on the street" is. Diaper Don knowingly and willingly created a false paper trail to cover up hush money Stephanie Clifford. He did NOT want her talking about his extra-marital affair with her while Melania was pregnant with Baron. In creating that false paper trail, he committed fraud. She was hardly street walking prostitute. She was in fact a highly paid adult film actress. Just Karen McDougal was Playboy Bunny when he was banging her.

Ever notice how trumpsters love to talk about him getting off from these charges on technicalities but never because he is innocent?

 

[WEATHER53]

A basic element of fraud is that someone has to be defrauded and harmed. The purchaser of the property and the bank loaning the money both refused to claim they were harmed or defrauded....in fact just the opposite was claimed by them as they stated they got a good deal.

Correct
Plus the state cannot go to bat for the banks who did not identify fraud nor harm to the banks.
That’s why it’s called Witch Hunting. They are pursuing theory . Nothing there at all except addled “suspicions”

 

[berg80]

Will Trump Get Jail Time? We Looked at Similar Cases to Find Out.​

In November, after voters decide whether to return Donald J. Trump to the White House, the judge who oversaw his criminal trial could send him to jail.

And despite Mr. Trump’s political status, the judge has ample grounds to do so, a New York Times examination of dozens of similar cases shows.

The former president’s unruly behavior at the New York trial makes him a candidate for jail time, as does his felony crime of falsifying business records: Over the past decade in Manhattan, more than a third of these convictions resulted in defendants spending time behind bars, The Times’s examination found. Across New York State, the proportion is even higher — about 42 percent of those convictions led to jail or prison time.

Will Trump Get Jail Time? We Looked at Similar Cases to Find Out.

Donald J. Trump faces sentencing on Nov. 26. The election three weeks earlier may determine not only if he returns to the presidency, but if he ends up behind bars.

www.nytimes.com

I recall defenders of all things trump downplaying the crime Don was convicted of. One wonders if the judge will take his civil case judgements and his other criminal indictments in to account upon sentencing.

 

[berg80]

Correct
Plus the state cannot go to bat for the banks who did not identify fraud nor harm to the banks.
That’s why it’s called Witch Hunting. They are pursuing theory . Nothing there at all except addled “suspicions”

If banks loaned trump money at lower interest rates (they did) because of the wealth he claimed to possess on his loan applications those banks and their shareholders were harmed by not receiving the amount of money they would have received at a higher interest rate.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You never read the indictment, did you. Instead, you listened to a lying propagandist.


You didn't follow the trial, did you.

Deutsche Bank immediately terminated all business with Trump once they were informed Trump gave them fraudulent SFCs, and they became a chief witness for the prosecution.

If one gets a lower interest rate on a loan due to fraudulent claims by the borrower, that IS harm. If the lender knew of the real value of Trump's properties, they either would have denied the loan or charged a higher interest rate.

US banks stopped lending to Trump a long time ago because they caught onto his fraud. He went overseas to Deutsche Bank out of desperation, and then he lied to them!

The leopard never changes his spots.

And now Trump had to turn to an online bank with no branch offices to rollover his last loan. That's just how untouchable he is these days.


Trump has a long, long history of fraud.

Trump University: Shut down for fraud.

Trump Organization: Shut down for fraud.

Trump Foundation: Shut down for a "shocking pattern of illegality".

2020 election: Fraudulent electors in seven states.

*Trump Corporation: convicted of 17 felonies

 

[g5000]

Correct
Plus the state cannot go to bat for the banks who did not identify fraud nor harm to the banks.
That’s why it’s called Witch Hunting. They are pursuing theory . Nothing there at all except addled “suspicions”

Incorrect.

The facts were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I have a 30,000 square foot penthouse apartment in Trump Tower to sell you. Cheap!

This is the precedent which establishes no victim is necessary to prosecute for fraud: People v. Ernst & Young LLP, 980 N.Y.S.2d 456 | Casetext Search + Citator


However, where, as here, there is a claim based on fraudulent activity, disgorgement may be available as an equitable remedy, notwithstanding the absence of loss to individuals or independent claims for restitution ( see Applied Card Sys., 11 N.Y.3d at 125–126, 863 N.Y.S.2d 615, 894 N.E.2d 1). Disgorgement is distinct from the remedy of restitution because it focuses on the gain to the wrongdoer as opposed to the loss to the victim ( id. at 125, 863 N.Y.S.2d 615, 894 N.E.2d 1). Thus, disgorgement aims to deter wrongdoing by preventing the wrongdoer from retaining ill-gotten gains from fraudulent conduct.


Once Deustche Bank was informed Trump had defrauded them, they become witnesses for the prosecution.

Whether or not they choose to sue for restitution in the future is up to them.

 

[0311]

Let's be very clear on this.

Diaper Don create a false paper trail to cover up hush money payment to Stephanie Clifford. He could NOT call it a "Campaign Expense", because it was not. But he tried and failed to make those payments a "Business Expense.". Michael Cohen has copies of the checks issued to him by Diaper Don to cover what he Cohen paid out. That is fraud.

Diaper Don was banging Stephanie Clifford while Melania was pregnant with Baron. He did not her to talk about his extra-marital affair with him. He paid her off to shut her up. In covering up those payments, he committed fraud. It is that simple.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Contrary to Trump's lies, Mar-A-Lago is only worth about $30 million.

Whether or not James is able to confiscate it, there are plenty of other Trump properties in New York and New Jersey up for grabs.

Regan's pussy is wet over nothing.

/—-/ Try and buy anything in that neighborhood for $30 million. Use Zillow..

 

[jc456]

Irrelevant. The appeals court decides, in an appeal.

They also asked pointed questions of Team Trump. That's their job.

What did they ask?

 

[westwall]

Contrary to Trump's lies, Mar-A-Lago is only worth about $30 million.

Whether or not James is able to confiscate it, there are plenty of other Trump properties in New York and New Jersey up for grabs.

Regan's pussy is wet over nothing.

A smaller property, just down the road with nothing built on it, sold for 50 million you lying dumbass.

 

[lennypartiv]

Another poster with TDS.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's be very clear on this.

Diaper Don create a false paper trail to cover up hush money payment to Stephanie Clifford. He could NOT call it a "Campaign Expense", because it was not. But he tried and failed to make those payments a "Business Expense.". Michael Cohen has copies of the checks issued to him by Diaper Don to cover what he Cohen paid out. That is fraud.

Diaper Don was banging Stephanie Clifford while Melania was pregnant with Baron. He did not her to talk about his extra-marital affair with him. He paid her off to shut her up. In covering up those payments, he committed fraud. It is that simple.

He could NOT call it a "Campaign Expense", because it was not.

I agree no campaign expense means the Bragg case should be tossed.

But he tried and failed to make those payments a "Business Expense.".

NDAs are a business expense. Deductible even.

Michael Cohen has copies of the checks issued to him by Diaper Don to cover what he Cohen paid out. That is fraud.

Who was defrauded?

 

[WorldWatcher]

He could NOT call it a "Campaign Expense", because it was not.

I agree no campaign expense means the Bragg case should be tossed.

Actually it was a campaign expense. Testimony at trial was that Trump wanted to delay the Stormy payments until after the election and then stiff her saying that once the election was over it didn't matter if the story came out. But they threatened to walk so 11 days before the election they paid (via Cohen).

That testimony about attempting to stiff Daniels showed that the purpose of the payment was to benefit the campaign. Now a candidate can make unlimited contributions to their own campaign, but, they have to report it to their campaign finance people that gets reported to the FEC.

But he tried and failed to make those payments a "Business Expense.".

NDAs are a business expense. Deductible even.

NDAs are legal, Trump wasn't charged with having an NDA. He was charged with felony falsification of business records.

And yes, the the company I once worked for NDA related to the function of the business were a legal expense. So for example NDAs with out design engineers were common. An NDA about boinking a porn star at a Las Vegas Golf Tournament isn't a business related expense.

Here is the funny thing. If he had NOT tried to launder the payments through his business and just pulled the $150,000 from his personal account, given the money to Cohen, and had her pay with that? There would have been no illegal activity under New York Business law to charge. (Of course he would still be required to report it as a campaign expense to the FEC, but that is a different matter.)

Michael Cohen has copies of the checks issued to him by Diaper Don to cover what he Cohen paid out. That is fraud.

Who was defrauded?

Campaign fraud. Or more technically "illegal campaign contribution". Cohen, Pecker, and Trump conspired to commit illegal acts. Cohen was charged and convicted of the illegal activity in federal court and went to prison, Pecker got a non-prosecution agreement to turn over evidence.

WW

 

[surada]

A smaller property, just down the road with nothing built on it, sold for 50 million you lying dumbass.

Mara Lago comes with covenants.

 

[surada]

A smaller property, just down the road with nothing built on it, sold for 50 million you lying dumbass.

Read this you lying dumbass.

Trump Can't Live Full-Time at Mar-A-Lago Because of 1993 Covenant

In 1993 Donald Trump reached a "use agreement" with Palm Beach Florida that restricted the use of Mar-A-Lago. This document appears to be a covenant.

reason.com

In 1993 Donald Trump reached a "use agreement" with Palm Beach Florida that restricted the use of Mar-A-Lago. This document appears to be a covenant. Article II, titled "Club use," imposes restrictions on the use of the guest suites on the property:

The use of guest suites shall be limited to a maximum of three (3) non-consecutive seven (7) day periods by any one member during the year.

Generally, Article II empowers Trump. Here, it restricts him. In other words, a member can only live in a guest suit for three, non-consecutive one-week periods. The intent here is to prevent Mar-A-Lago from being used as a permanent home. Or, to put it in Property lingo, Orangeacre shall not be used for residential purposes. (Blackacre just didn't seem to fit here). And, the document was signed by President Donald J. Trump. (President of the Mar-A-Lago Club, Inc., that is).