Health Care Should Be FREE! (In the U.S.)

[krypto]

Maybe someday one of you can explain why Americans pay multiple times more for even the most basic healthcare than people in any other industrialized nation, and that's a Good Thing.

I'm guessing your answer will have something to do with "American exceptionalism."

As if putting government and bureaucracy in charge of it will have any effect other than to make it even more expensive and less efficient. How ignorant does someone have to be to believe that this is a good idea?

I found one website that says around 31% of what Americans now spend on healthcare goes to bureaucracy. And that if we went to a "free" single payer national health care system, that system would pay for itself. That's what they said. They also said that with what we now pay in bureaucracy, our government could give "free" health care to 41 million uninsured Americans. All in all, having the taxpayer pay for universal health care doesn't seem quite so onerous. That is, if you looked at it as being onerous to begin with.

How does one PAY for FREE Healthcare??????How much will it cost each family compared to the Onerous ObozoCare?

What if a family needed health care, but couldn't afford it. How much would it cost them then. Have you ever even have a pet you were fond of die? How did it make you feel if you did. Maybe you got the idea from some of my posts that I am completely without compassion. But I'm not. It's just that I have more compassion for White people.

The thing is that when you spread the burden out amongst everybody, especially the wealthy, (with the exception of doctors) the burden becomes less for everybody. Also, I agree that Omonko care is a joke. He probably still has kiss imprints on his ass from insurance company executives and lobyists to come up with the ingenious idea to simply force people to pay for medical insurance. And whatever that was, I would bet that simply paying some tax would be far cheaper.

There is one major drawback to universal health care though. Apparently there is already far more than enough incentive for OIISSM to sneak across or tunnel under the border to get into the U.S. Giving them free medical coverage when they got here would be even more of a draw. Hopefully Trump will get elected and actually keep his promise to get rid of them.

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

I agree, you should go to medical school and work for free.
It's only fair.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free. Also, if a student didn't have to pay anything for a doctorate in medicine, they might be a little more willing to work for a little less. Another thing is that from what I hear, many doctors who serve internships at some hospital get the shit worked out of them. Being on call 24 hours a day and such. Maybe if the government paid for their education, there would be more of them around. Which would lighten their load.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

So you aren't willing to earn anything? Think it all should be provided to you?

I say the same thing about you. You're a worthless freeloader.

You don't know anything about me. When I was about 8 or 9 years old, I used to ride by bike for miles most days to most of the bars in my area of town to shine shoes. Later, when I needed real employment, jobs were just about impossible to find in the part of Michigan that I lived in. Over the years, I worked on two occasions in Indaina. I worked on a couple of occasions in Texas. I also worked in Florida where I got into an accident that wasn't my fault and got soundly and difinitively fucked by the insurance company of the guy who caused the accident. That I only survived by a miracle. Unfortunately, on one occasion I went to Virginia and ended up joining the navy.

Keep in mind, all this traveling around is especially hard on a poor person. In one of the jobs I had, I actually had somebody in a group of workers ask me not to work so hard. Apparently it was making them look bad. So you can take your 'worthless freeloader" bullshit and shove it up your ass sideways.

 

[BULLDOG]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Such a wish is born of extreme ignorance about the most basic facts of economics.

It is not possible for college nor medical care to be free.

It costs money—lots of money—to offer these services. Facilities must be built and maintained, equipment and materials must be provided,and staff must be employed. “Free” does not negate this basic fact; if someone receives these services for “free”, all it really means is that someone else, who is not receiving these services, is being compelled to pay for them.

You got a problem with funding pre-K through 12? Just add a couple more grades. We didn't add grade 12 until the 30's and kindergarten wasn't available until the 60's. We have since added preK.

What makes you think I have a problem with society funding school and making it free for the students. As you know, I even started a thread that said college should be free. That is, to the students.

It was a rhetorical question. Looking at it as just adding a couple more grades might make it more palatable to the anti-education bunch.

 

[Arianrhod]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Such a wish is born of extreme ignorance about the most basic facts of economics.

It is not possible for college nor medical care to be free.

It costs money—lots of money—to offer these services. Facilities must be built and maintained, equipment and materials must be provided,and staff must be employed. “Free” does not negate this basic fact; if someone receives these services for “free”, all it really means is that someone else, who is not receiving these services, is being compelled to pay for them.

You got a problem with funding pre-K through 12? Just add a couple more grades. We didn't add grade 12 until the 30's and kindergarten wasn't available until the 60's. We have since added preK.

What makes you think I have a problem with society funding school and making it free for the students. As you know, I even started a thread that said college should be free. That is, to the students.

It was a rhetorical question. Looking at it as just adding a couple more grades might make it more palatable to the anti-education bunch.

Given their general ineptitude in spelling, grammar, and punctuation, I've come to the conclusion that they're anti-education because if other people's children do well in school, theirs will look bad by comparison.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

I agree, you should go to medical school and work for free.
It's only fair.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free. Also, if a student didn't have to pay anything for a doctorate in medicine, they might be a little more willing to work for a little less. Another thing is that from what I hear, many doctors who serve internships at some hospital get the shit worked out of them. Being on call 24 hours a day and such. Maybe if the government paid for their education, there would be more of them around. Which would lighten their load.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so.

By all means, explain your plan for free health care here.

Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it.

Rationing, long delays, less equipment, older equipment, older medicines, fewer medicines etc etc.

 

[007]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Who's going to pay for all this FREE STUFF?

You do realize that NOTHING is FREE... right?

 

[dblack]

Blow jobs should be free too.

 

[Conservative65]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

So you aren't willing to earn anything? Think it all should be provided to you?

I say the same thing about you. You're a worthless freeloader.

You don't know anything about me. When I was about 8 or 9 years old, I used to ride by bike for miles most days to most of the bars in my area of town to shine shoes. Later, when I needed real employment, jobs were just about impossible to find in the part of Michigan that I lived in. Over the years, I worked on two occasions in Indaina. I worked on a couple of occasions in Texas. I also worked in Florida where I got into an accident that wasn't my fault and got soundly and difinitively fucked by the insurance company of the guy who caused the accident. That I only survived by a miracle. Unfortunately, on one occasion I went to Virginia and ended up joining the navy.

Keep in mind, all this traveling around is especially hard on a poor person. In one of the jobs I had, I actually had somebody in a group of workers ask me not to work so hard. Apparently it was making them look bad. So you can take your 'worthless freeloader" bullshit and shove it up your ass sideways.

If you've worked all those situation you say and are still poor, sounds to me as if you aren't offering anything in the way of skills. That's your fault, freeloader. That you support someone like me being forced to provide things for people they should be providing themselves proves it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Free to who.....???

Or do you really plan to put a gun to a doctor's head and tell him to work without getting paid ?

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, give me some stories of doctors there who have a gun put to their head. Or work without getting paid.

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

 

[Arianrhod]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Free to who.....???

Or do you really plan to put a gun to a doctor's head and tell him to work without getting paid ?

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, give me some stories of doctors there who have a gun put to their head. Or work without getting paid.

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

Economics 101.

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

I agree, you should go to medical school and work for free.
It's only fair.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free. Also, if a student didn't have to pay anything for a doctorate in medicine, they might be a little more willing to work for a little less. Another thing is that from what I hear, many doctors who serve internships at some hospital get the shit worked out of them. Being on call 24 hours a day and such. Maybe if the government paid for their education, there would be more of them around. Which would lighten their load.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so.

By all means, explain your plan for free health care here.

Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it.

Rationing, long delays, less equipment, older equipment, older medicines, fewer medicines etc etc.

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country. Or you could elect me as dictator and see me do it. Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe. Just watch the documentary "Sicko." Also there is no justification as you may have heard on the news some months back to raise the price of some medecine by 1500%. Another thing is that even "if" universal health care caused there to be a little lessening of the quality of health care here, and that is a very big "IF," having universal health care would make it worth it.

Also, look at Germany. They have a population of about 81 million. Then look at Japan. They have a population of around 127 million. But given their size, they kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of their exports. The U.S. is a far larger country than both of those put together. We also have a population of around 319 million. And our country is far richer in terms of natural resources and arable land. If we can't do universal health care BETTER than those other countries, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with us!

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Who's going to pay for all this FREE STUFF?

You do realize that NOTHING is FREE... right?

Everybody will pay a little to make those things free. Also, how much do termites get paid to build a termite mound. Are you trying to tell me that humans couldn't blow some bugs out of the water when it comes to doing something?

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

So you aren't willing to earn anything? Think it all should be provided to you?

I say the same thing about you. You're a worthless freeloader.

You don't know anything about me. When I was about 8 or 9 years old, I used to ride by bike for miles most days to most of the bars in my area of town to shine shoes. Later, when I needed real employment, jobs were just about impossible to find in the part of Michigan that I lived in. Over the years, I worked on two occasions in Indaina. I worked on a couple of occasions in Texas. I also worked in Florida where I got into an accident that wasn't my fault and got soundly and difinitively fucked by the insurance company of the guy who caused the accident. That I only survived by a miracle. Unfortunately, on one occasion I went to Virginia and ended up joining the navy.

Keep in mind, all this traveling around is especially hard on a poor person. In one of the jobs I had, I actually had somebody in a group of workers ask me not to work so hard. Apparently it was making them look bad. So you can take your 'worthless freeloader" bullshit and shove it up your ass sideways.

If you've worked all those situation you say and are still poor, sounds to me as if you aren't offering anything in the way of skills. That's your fault, freeloader. That you support someone like me being forced to provide things for people they should be providing themselves proves it.

Without laborers like me, parasitic freeloader aristocrat scum like you couldn't survive.

 

[krypto]

Somebody around here probably already did a thread like this. And there was that documentary done about it called "Sicko." But I got quite a few objections out of people with my thread, "College should be free. (for Americans)" I wonder what they will have to say about me saying that health care should be free too. And the worse that may be for insurance companies, the better I like it!

Free to who.....???

Or do you really plan to put a gun to a doctor's head and tell him to work without getting paid ?

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, give me some stories of doctors there who have a gun put to their head. Or work without getting paid.

That was the question.....free to who.

If they are getting paid...who is paying them ?

What a great fucking idea!!! Let's PAY people to go to college! And the better they do, the more they get paid! You can bet your ass that if I got paid to do well in highschool, I would have done so.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree, you should go to medical school and work for free.
It's only fair.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free. Also, if a student didn't have to pay anything for a doctorate in medicine, they might be a little more willing to work for a little less. Another thing is that from what I hear, many doctors who serve internships at some hospital get the shit worked out of them. Being on call 24 hours a day and such. Maybe if the government paid for their education, there would be more of them around. Which would lighten their load.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so.

By all means, explain your plan for free health care here.

Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it.

Rationing, long delays, less equipment, older equipment, older medicines, fewer medicines etc etc.

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country. Or you could elect me as dictator and see me do it. Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe. Just watch the documentary "Sicko." Also there is no justification as you may have heard on the news some months back to raise the price of some medecine by 1500%. Another thing is that even "if" universal health care caused there to be a little lessening of the quality of health care here, and that is a very big "IF," having universal health care would make it worth it.

Also, look at Germany. They have a population of about 81 million. Then look at Japan. They have a population of around 127 million. But given their size, they kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of their exports. The U.S. is a far larger country than both of those put together. We also have a population of around 319 million. And our country is far richer in terms of natural resources and arable land. If we can't do universal health care BETTER than those other countries, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with us!

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country.

We have enough idiots with bad ideas, why would anyone pay you good money to hear your bad ideas?

Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe.

And far worse than you would like people to believe.

Just watch the documentary "Sicko."

That's funny, because I was just talking about idiots with bad ideas......

 

[Arianrhod]

And the evidence we have that any Internet anonym has the qualifications to be paid for his "expertise" on this topic is -?

 

[krypto]

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free. Also, if a student didn't have to pay anything for a doctorate in medicine, they might be a little more willing to work for a little less. Another thing is that from what I hear, many doctors who serve internships at some hospital get the shit worked out of them. Being on call 24 hours a day and such. Maybe if the government paid for their education, there would be more of them around. Which would lighten their load.

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so.

By all means, explain your plan for free health care here.

Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it.

Rationing, long delays, less equipment, older equipment, older medicines, fewer medicines etc etc.

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country. Or you could elect me as dictator and see me do it. Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe. Just watch the documentary "Sicko." Also there is no justification as you may have heard on the news some months back to raise the price of some medecine by 1500%. Another thing is that even "if" universal health care caused there to be a little lessening of the quality of health care here, and that is a very big "IF," having universal health care would make it worth it.

Also, look at Germany. They have a population of about 81 million. Then look at Japan. They have a population of around 127 million. But given their size, they kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of their exports. The U.S. is a far larger country than both of those put together. We also have a population of around 319 million. And our country is far richer in terms of natural resources and arable land. If we can't do universal health care BETTER than those other countries, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with us!

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country.

We have enough idiots with bad ideas, why would anyone pay you good money to hear your bad ideas?

Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe.

And far worse than you would like people to believe.

Just watch the documentary "Sicko."

That's funny, because I was just talking about idiots with bad ideas......

First, you never heard my ideas. As I said, why should I tell them when I'm not getting paid to do so. So idiots like you can learn them and take the credit? And with you not having heard them, how can you say they are bad ideas. Next, yeah, so bad that many people travel overseas to have anything from a facelift to heart surgery done for a cheaper price. With far better aftercare and with a greater number of highly trained people.

The next point happen to include something from the documentary "Sicko." Tell me, did you actually ever see it? Or is it another thing you call bad without having heard it first. If you watched it, you may remember the ride along the film makers did with a doctor as he went around making house calls. That is far better health care than even exists in this country anymore. For me, if I need to see a doctor, I have to make an appointment. And when that day arrives, I have to make my way to the doctors office and wait around in their reception area. Then, when I am brought back to see the doctor, I have to do more waiting in the examination room. (I say sarcastically) Yeah. That sounds like far better health care.

 

[krypto]

And the evidence we have that any Internet anonym has the qualifications to be paid for his "expertise" on this topic is -?

You can argue any point into infinity. Maybe I'm not qualified to do that. But universal health care isn't rocket science. But even then, I did come up with a plan for a faster than light space drive many years ago. But JPL wasn't interested.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In the countries where they have "free" medical coverage, NONE of the doctors work for free.

If you want it to be free here, that's what it will take.
Start studying, we could all use your free help.

Now you're just talking crap. In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so. Also, you don't need my free help. It's already there. Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it. Not only that, they each probably have a slightly unique way of doing it. The U.S. can pick and choose what way works best.

In the countries where they have universal health care, it doesn't "take" them not paying their doctors to do so.

By all means, explain your plan for free health care here.

Just go to England, France, Germany, Canadia, Japan or any of the other countries where they have it and see how they do it.

Rationing, long delays, less equipment, older equipment, older medicines, fewer medicines etc etc.

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country. Or you could elect me as dictator and see me do it. Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe. Just watch the documentary "Sicko." Also there is no justification as you may have heard on the news some months back to raise the price of some medecine by 1500%. Another thing is that even "if" universal health care caused there to be a little lessening of the quality of health care here, and that is a very big "IF," having universal health care would make it worth it.

Also, look at Germany. They have a population of about 81 million. Then look at Japan. They have a population of around 127 million. But given their size, they kick America's ass when it comes to the yearly value of their exports. The U.S. is a far larger country than both of those put together. We also have a population of around 319 million. And our country is far richer in terms of natural resources and arable land. If we can't do universal health care BETTER than those other countries, it doesn't mean that there is something wrong with universal health care. It means that there is something wrong with us!

Have somebody pay me a good salary and I will explain how to do universal health care in this country.

We have enough idiots with bad ideas, why would anyone pay you good money to hear your bad ideas?

Next, health care in other countries is far better than you would like people to believe.

And far worse than you would like people to believe.

Just watch the documentary "Sicko."

That's funny, because I was just talking about idiots with bad ideas......

First, you never heard my ideas. As I said, why should I tell them when I'm not getting paid to do so. So idiots like you can learn them and take the credit? And with you not having heard them, how can you say they are bad ideas. Next, yeah, so bad that many people travel overseas to have anything from a facelift to heart surgery done for a cheaper price. With far better aftercare and with a greater number of highly trained people.

The next point happen to include something from the documentary "Sicko." Tell me, did you actually ever see it? Or is it another thing you call bad without having heard it first. If you watched it, you may remember the ride along the film makers did with a doctor as he went around making house calls. That is far better health care than even exists in this country anymore. For me, if I need to see a doctor, I have to make an appointment. And when that day arrives, I have to make my way to the doctors office and wait around in their reception area. Then, when I am brought back to see the doctor, I have to do more waiting in the examination room. (I say sarcastically) Yeah. That sounds like far better health care.

First, you never heard my ideas

Based on your posts here, you're being paid exactly what your ideas are worth. Zero.