History shows Religion is the only force against totalitarian state domination of your entire being

[Libby von H]

So, several on here objected with objections that the world scholar on this topic has dealt with Michael Burleigh, so to him I turn

Historically, of course, as has been pointed out by such thinkers as Marcel Gauchet and George Weigel Christianity had much to do with the notion of the autonomous, sacrosanct individual, with the preservation of a sphere beyond the state that anticipated civil society, with the notion of elected leadership, and with holding rulers accountable to higher powers.


On the eve of the Bolshevik coup d'état, the Orthodox Church claimed a hundred million adherents, two hundred thousand priests and monks, seventy-five thousand churches and chapels, over eleven hundred monasteries, thirty-seven thousand primary schools, fifty-seven seminaries and four university-level academies, not to speak of thousands of hospitals, old people’s homes and orphanages. Within a few years, the intuitional structures were swept away, the churches were desolated, vandalized or put to secular use. Many of the clergy were imprisoned or shot; appropriately enough the first concentration camp of the gulag was opened in a monastery in Artic regions.

The Austrian Catholic newspaper Volkswohl even parodied life in a future Nazi state in a manner that seems extraordinarily prescient. Every newborn baby’s hereditary history would be checked by a Racial-Hygienic Institute; the unfit or sickly would be sterilised or killed; dedicated ‘Aryan’ Catholics would be persecuted: ‘The demonic cries out from this movement; masses of the tempted go to their doom under the Satan’s sun. If we Catholics want to save ourselves, then I can never be in a pact with these forces.’

Christianity regarded all earthly existence as transient, while the Nazi thought in terms of rendering life eternal through a sort of biological Great Chain of Being. The individual was nothing, but the racial collective would endure through the aeons

The Enabling Law permitted the government to pass budgets and promulgate laws, including those altering the constitution, for four years without parliamentary approval. In democracies, constitutional amendments are especially solemn moments; here they were easier than changing the traffic regulations. None of the guarantees Hitler extended to the Churches or the judiciary in his address to the Reichstag amounted to a hill of beans.

 

[alang1216]

So, several on here objected with objections that the world scholar on this topic has dealt with Michael Burleigh, so to him I turn

Historically, of course, as has been pointed out by such thinkers as Marcel Gauchet and George Weigel Christianity had much to do with the notion of the autonomous, sacrosanct individual, with the preservation of a sphere beyond the state that anticipated civil society, with the notion of elected leadership, and with holding rulers accountable to higher powers.


On the eve of the Bolshevik coup d'état, the Orthodox Church claimed a hundred million adherents, two hundred thousand priests and monks, seventy-five thousand churches and chapels, over eleven hundred monasteries, thirty-seven thousand primary schools, fifty-seven seminaries and four university-level academies, not to speak of thousands of hospitals, old people’s homes and orphanages. Within a few years, the intuitional structures were swept away, the churches were desolated, vandalized or put to secular use. Many of the clergy were imprisoned or shot; appropriately enough the first concentration camp of the gulag was opened in a monastery in Artic regions.

The Austrian Catholic newspaper Volkswohl even parodied life in a future Nazi state in a manner that seems extraordinarily prescient. Every newborn baby’s hereditary history would be checked by a Racial-Hygienic Institute; the unfit or sickly would be sterilised or killed; dedicated ‘Aryan’ Catholics would be persecuted: ‘The demonic cries out from this movement; masses of the tempted go to their doom under the Satan’s sun. If we Catholics want to save ourselves, then I can never be in a pact with these forces.’

Christianity regarded all earthly existence as transient, while the Nazi thought in terms of rendering life eternal through a sort of biological Great Chain of Being. The individual was nothing, but the racial collective would endure through the aeons

The Enabling Law permitted the government to pass budgets and promulgate laws, including those altering the constitution, for four years without parliamentary approval. In democracies, constitutional amendments are especially solemn moments; here they were easier than changing the traffic regulations. None of the guarantees Hitler extended to the Churches or the judiciary in his address to the Reichstag amounted to a hill of beans.

Unless of course, that religion also gets secular powers and becomes a theocracy, e.g., Iran today or Medieval Spain.

 

[Libby von H]

Unless of course, that religion also gets secular powers and becomes a theocracy, e.g., Iran today or Medieval Spain.

But there you desert all reality. It is you liberals that enable that.
First of all medieval Spain is just false
You are parroting the completely debunked Muslim propaganda on that

The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain​

Dario Fernandez-Morera
Scholars, journalists, and even politicians uphold Muslim-ruled medieval Spain—"al-Andalus"—as a multicultural paradise, a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in harmony. There is only one problem with this widely accepted account: it is a myth.

Now to reality. It is a mark of Western Civilization ,of the Bible and Perennial Phillsophy LOGOS tradition that the first of all rights is Liberty of Conscience/Freedom of Religion.
Iran exists because this truth of Natural Religion is violated. Leave Islam and you are murdered.

NOw if you say the following is from Religion you lose your point but even if you don't I win because this is what our "christian' nation is built upon

"Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion." —John Adams, in a letter to Benjamin Rush. 1812

"[T]hat the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty." —Thomas Jefferson, 1779.


"The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate." —James Madison, 1785.

"Driven from every other corner of the earth, freedom of thought and the right of private judgment in matters of conscience direct their course to this happy country as their last asylum." —Samuel Adams, Speech on August 1, 1776.

"While we are contending for our own liberty, we should be very cautious not to violate the conscience of others, ever considering that God alone is the judge of the hearts of men, and to Him only in this case are they answerable." —George Washington, in a letter to Benedict Arnold.

"Conscience is the most sacred of all property." —James Madison, 1792.

 

[Moonglow]

So, several on here objected with objections that the world scholar on this topic has dealt with Michael Burleigh, so to him I turn

Historically, of course, as has been pointed out by such thinkers as Marcel Gauchet and George Weigel Christianity had much to do with the notion of the autonomous, sacrosanct individual, with the preservation of a sphere beyond the state that anticipated civil society, with the notion of elected leadership, and with holding rulers accountable to higher powers.


On the eve of the Bolshevik coup d'état, the Orthodox Church claimed a hundred million adherents, two hundred thousand priests and monks, seventy-five thousand churches and chapels, over eleven hundred monasteries, thirty-seven thousand primary schools, fifty-seven seminaries and four university-level academies, not to speak of thousands of hospitals, old people’s homes and orphanages. Within a few years, the intuitional structures were swept away, the churches were desolated, vandalized or put to secular use. Many of the clergy were imprisoned or shot; appropriately enough the first concentration camp of the gulag was opened in a monastery in Artic regions.

The Austrian Catholic newspaper Volkswohl even parodied life in a future Nazi state in a manner that seems extraordinarily prescient. Every newborn baby’s hereditary history would be checked by a Racial-Hygienic Institute; the unfit or sickly would be sterilised or killed; dedicated ‘Aryan’ Catholics would be persecuted: ‘The demonic cries out from this movement; masses of the tempted go to their doom under the Satan’s sun. If we Catholics want to save ourselves, then I can never be in a pact with these forces.’

Christianity regarded all earthly existence as transient, while the Nazi thought in terms of rendering life eternal through a sort of biological Great Chain of Being. The individual was nothing, but the racial collective would endure through the aeons

The Enabling Law permitted the government to pass budgets and promulgate laws, including those altering the constitution, for four years without parliamentary approval. In democracies, constitutional amendments are especially solemn moments; here they were easier than changing the traffic regulations. None of the guarantees Hitler extended to the Churches or the judiciary in his address to the Reichstag amounted to a hill of beans.

Christianity has allied itself with brutal despots and the worst governments, no wonder they were destroyed.

 

[Anomalism]

objected with objections

This is kind of redundant this is.

 

[Libby von H]

Christianity has allied itself with brutal despots and the worst governments, no wonder they were destroyed.

Moonglow , you are stupid if anybody is. You criticize what is depotic by despotically just making a statement with no backing. You are a nobody on here ,who writes poorly -- and we are supposed to roll over because you make a claim

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Lets not kid ourselves. Government is libs religion. Thats all they have.

 

[Moonglow]

Moonglow , you are stupid if anybody is. You criticize what is depotic by despotically just making a statement with no backing. You are a nobody on here ,who writes poorly -- and we are supposed to roll over because you make a claim

I could give you examples yet surely you are not that ignorant of what really happens to a totally corrupt system that Christianity has had with human interactions.I know you like to baffle 'em with bullshit by having elongated cut and paste moments.

 

[Moonglow]

Lets not kid ourselves. Government is libs religion. Thats all they have.

Those would be bureaucrats. The majority of libs give lip service to the dead Jew on a stick like the so called conservatives

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Those would be bureaucrats. The majority of libs give lip service to the dead Jew on a stick like the so called conservatives

Lip service? Naw, they hate Jesus.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Lets not kid ourselves. Government is libs religion. Thats all they have.

 

[Libby von H]

Lets not kid ourselves. Government is libs religion. Thats all they have.

Well one of the two major political theorists of the 20th Century based his whole opus on just that truth

Eric Voegelin's Political Religions

“The world is experiencing a serious crisis, is undergoing a process of withering, which has its origins in the secularization of the soul and in the ensuing severance of a consequently purely secular soul from its roots in religiousness.”
― Eric Voegelin, Die politischen Religionen

“Humans live in political society with all traits of their being, from the physical to the spiritual and religious traits. We have only presented examples from the Mediterranean and Western European culture areas, but the thesis is universal and also applies to the political forms in the East. The political community is always integrated in the overall context of man's experience of the world and God, irrespective of whether the political sphere occupies a subordinate level in the divine order of the hierarchy of being or whether it is deified itself. The language of politics is always interspersed with the ecstasies of religiosity and, thus, becomes a symbol in the concise sense by letting experiences concerned with the contents of the world be permeated with transcendental-divine experiences.”
― Eric Voegelin, Modernity without Restraint: Political Religions; The New Science of Politics; and Science, Politics and Gnosticism

 

[Moonglow]

Lip service? Naw, they hate Jesus.

I am sure you live yer life just as perfectly as Jesus himself.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I am sure you live yer life just as perfectly as Jesus himself.

No, im a wretch who falls in the ditch all the time.

 

[Moonglow]

No, im a wretch who falls in the ditch all the time.

Then I'd focus upon myself and not what others do.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Then I'd focus upon myself and not what others do.

It would be wrong not to point something out to help someone............especially if that mote isn't in your eye. Remind me which party was screaming like demons trying to kick God out of the convention.

 

[rampart]

So, several on here objected with objections that the world scholar on this topic has dealt with Michael Burleigh, so to him I turn

Historically, of course, as has been pointed out by such thinkers as Marcel Gauchet and George Weigel Christianity had much to do with the notion of the autonomous, sacrosanct individual, with the preservation of a sphere beyond the state that anticipated civil society, with the notion of elected leadership, and with holding rulers accountable to higher powers.


On the eve of the Bolshevik coup d'état, the Orthodox Church claimed a hundred million adherents, two hundred thousand priests and monks, seventy-five thousand churches and chapels, over eleven hundred monasteries, thirty-seven thousand primary schools, fifty-seven seminaries and four university-level academies, not to speak of thousands of hospitals, old people’s homes and orphanages. Within a few years, the intuitional structures were swept away, the churches were desolated, vandalized or put to secular use. Many of the clergy were imprisoned or shot; appropriately enough the first concentration camp of the gulag was opened in a monastery in Artic regions.

The Austrian Catholic newspaper Volkswohl even parodied life in a future Nazi state in a manner that seems extraordinarily prescient. Every newborn baby’s hereditary history would be checked by a Racial-Hygienic Institute; the unfit or sickly would be sterilised or killed; dedicated ‘Aryan’ Catholics would be persecuted: ‘The demonic cries out from this movement; masses of the tempted go to their doom under the Satan’s sun. If we Catholics want to save ourselves, then I can never be in a pact with these forces.’

Christianity regarded all earthly existence as transient, while the Nazi thought in terms of rendering life eternal through a sort of biological Great Chain of Being. The individual was nothing, but the racial collective would endure through the aeons

The Enabling Law permitted the government to pass budgets and promulgate laws, including those altering the constitution, for four years without parliamentary approval. In democracies, constitutional amendments are especially solemn moments; here they were easier than changing the traffic regulations. None of the guarantees Hitler extended to the Churches or the judiciary in his address to the Reichstag amounted to a hill of beans.

history shows that government is the only organization that opposes religious totalitarianism or economic oppression.

the most oppressive governments anywhere are those run by religions. goverm,emt and religion must remain seperate.l

we will not be turning over our government to your faustian "chosen one" unless he wins it in the booth, not some "throw it to the congress" stunt, and certainly not to your 1/2 baked cosplay militias.

 

[alang1216]

But there you desert all reality. It is you liberals that enable that.
First of all medieval Spain is just false
You are parroting the completely debunked Muslim propaganda on that

The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain​

Dario Fernandez-Morera
Scholars, journalists, and even politicians uphold Muslim-ruled medieval Spain—"al-Andalus"—as a multicultural paradise, a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in harmony. There is only one problem with this widely accepted account: it is a myth.

Paradise may be a myth, but how did it compare to Catholic Spain?

• Jews welcomed the invasion of the Muslims because they were ill-treated under Christian rulers.
• Non-Catholic Christians also welcomed the Muslims and often chose to live in Andalus
• When the Muslims were expelled from Spain, the Jews and Muslims that remained were promised they could freely practice their religions, as I recall that promise was kept for only a few months
• Jews and Muslims were given the choice of conversion or exile and those that converted were persecuted by the Inquisition on the fear they were practicing their old religion in secret.
• Spain, rich from New World conquests, squandered those riches in wars against Protestants.

 

[rampart]

Lets not kid ourselves. Government is libs religion. Thats all they have.

this is an "old wives tale." without basis in fact.

but think it through, IF "government, is my religion," i have a constitutional right to believe so and there is nothing , legal that you can do about it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

this is an "old wives tale." without basis in fact.

but think it through, IF "government, is my religion," i have a constitutional right to believe so and there is nothing , legal that you can do about it.

Its just another false religion, something that libs worship desperately. Very sad.