Hitler and the Big Lie

[Viktor]

Topaz tells us repeatedly:
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies.

Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:

www.ww2sites.com

He invaded the USSR after signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin:

faits-et-documents.com - faits-et-documents Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

He swindled the German people out of money for Volkswagens that were
never delievered and the money was never refunded:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/227aca7bb5d9e4d0

He betrayed the Catholic Church after signing a treaty with the
Vatican:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/17ff769f77793d6c

He perpetuated the Gleiwitz Fraud

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a433c8ef6fc338fd

He repeatedly assured the world that he wanted peace, despite the fact
that he invaded every country in Continental Europe with the exception
of Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. He also invaded North Africa.:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/195ba1673076f9e4

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

Topaz tells us repeatedly:
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies.

Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:

www.ww2sites.com

He invaded the USSR after signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin:

faits-et-documents.com - faits-et-documents Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

He swindled the German people out of money for Volkswagens that were
never delievered and the money was never refunded:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/227aca7bb5d9e4d0

He betrayed the Catholic Church after signing a treaty with the
Vatican:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/17ff769f77793d6c

He perpetuated the Gleiwitz Fraud

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a433c8ef6fc338fd

He repeatedly assured the world that he wanted peace, despite the fact
that he invaded every country in Continental Europe with the exception
of Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. He also invaded North Africa.:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/195ba1673076f9e4

Hitler thought Mein Kampf was out-of-date before the war started.

 

[jwoodie]

What is the point of this thread?

 

[KevinWestern]

What is the point of this thread?

I think to demonstrate that holocaust deniers are nutcases.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

What is the point of this thread?

I think to demonstrate that holocaust deniers are nutcases.

Thats, "Holocaust DENIER"

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Topaz tells us repeatedly:
Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that the Jews tell big lies. The
Jewish media took his words out of context and claimed that Hitler was
in favor of big lies.

Well, he invaded Holland after guaranteeing her neutrality:

www.ww2sites.com

He invaded the USSR after signing a non-aggression pact with Stalin:

faits-et-documents.com - faits-et-documents Resources and Information. This website is for sale!

He swindled the German people out of money for Volkswagens that were
never delievered and the money was never refunded:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/227aca7bb5d9e4d0

He betrayed the Catholic Church after signing a treaty with the
Vatican:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/17ff769f77793d6c

He perpetuated the Gleiwitz Fraud

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/a433c8ef6fc338fd

He repeatedly assured the world that he wanted peace, despite the fact
that he invaded every country in Continental Europe with the exception
of Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. He also invaded North Africa.:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/195ba1673076f9e4

Pot calling the kettle black:

"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed." Adolph Hitler

Everyone lies though. Only variable being whether it's a malicious intent lie or not. If somoene looks ugly and they ask how they look most will lie to spare their feelings. Politicians lie to get elected. Countries lie for all sorts of reasons.

"All warfare is based upon deception." Sun Tzu

Society would collapse overnight if everyone always told the truth, so you can't really condemn anyone (even Hitler) for lying. Pleanty of things to condemn him for, but not for lying.

"Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence." - George Orwell

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

What is the point of this thread?

To answer the question, "what was the holocaust"?

If a 'holocaust expert' says there is no evidence, what exactly are we to believe?

 

[jon_berzerk]

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

And

 

[jon_berzerk]

And

i didnt post more

since i have gotten into hot water

for posting graphic material

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

 

[Toro]

What is the point of this thread?

To answer the question, "what was the holocaust"?

If a 'holocaust expert' says there is no evidence, what exactly are we to believe?

Ernst Zundel is a discredited lying douchebag who was deported from Canada for spreading this garbage.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

What is the point of this thread?

To answer the question, "what was the holocaust"?

If a 'holocaust expert' says there is no evidence, what exactly are we to believe?

Ernst Zundel is a discredited lying douchebag who was deported from Canada for spreading this garbage.

You're missing the point, the expert agreeing there is no evidence for a holocaust is Raul Hilberg, the foremost exponent of the holocaust.

 

[hunarcy]

You're missing the point, the expert agreeing there is no evidence for a holocaust is Raul Hilberg, the foremost exponent of the holocaust.

So, I can believe Raul Hilberg or I can believe:

Behuda Yauer, . History of the Holocaust. Danbury, CT: Watts, 1982.

Baur, Erwin, Eugen Fischer, and Fritz Lenz. Menschliche Auslese und Rseenhygiene. (Human Selection and Race Hygiene.) Munich: Lehmanns, 1931.

Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know. New York: Little, Brown, 1993. Browning, Christopher. Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2000.

Burleigh, Michael. Death and Deliverance: Euthanasia in Germany, 1900–1945. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1995.

Carroll, James. Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 2001.

Fischer, Klaus. The History of an Obsession: German Judeophobia and the Holocaust. New York: Continuum, 1998.

Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984.

Frankl, Viktor. Man's Search for Meaning. New York: Washington Square Press, 1985.

Friedlander, Henry. The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1995.

Fuhrman, Harry, ed. Holocaust and Genocide: A Search for Conscience. New York: Anti-Defamation League, 1983.

Goldhagen, Daniel J. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust. New York: Knopf, 1996.

Hilberg, Raoul. The Destruction of the European Jews. New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985.

Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (My Struggle), translated by Ralph Mannheim. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1971.

Höss, Rudolf. Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz. New York: DaCapo, 1996.

Jäckel, Eberhard. "Einfach ein schlechtes Buch." Die Zeit, 27 May 1996, 24.

Jäckel, Eberhard. Hitler's Weltanschauung: Entwurf einer Herrschaft. (Hitler's Worldview: Outline of Power. ) Tübingen: Wunderlich, 1969.

Kantor, Alfred. An Artist's Journal of the Holocaust. New York: Schocken Books, 1987.

Katz, Steven T. The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. 1: The Holocaust and Mass Death Before the Modern Age. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Klemperer, Werner. The Language of the Third Reich, translated by Martin Brady. London: Athlone, 2000.

Kühl, Stefan. The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Lacquer, Walter. The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about Hitler's "Final Solution." London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1980.

Laks, Szymon. Music from Another World, translated by Chester Kisiel. Evanston, IL: Northwestern University Press, 2000.

Lautmann, Rüdiger. "The Pink Triangle: Homosexuals as Enemies of the State." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Levi, Primo. If This Is a Man: Remembering Auschwitz. New York: Summit, 1986.

Lewy, Guenter. The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies. New York: Oxford University Press, 2000.

Lipstadt, Deborah. Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory. New York: Free Press, 1993.

Piper, Francisek. "Auschwitz Concentration Camp." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Ritter, Carol, and John Roth. Different Voices: Women and the Holocaust. New York: Paragon House, 1993.

Rosenbaum, Ron. "The Roots of the Holocaust Denial." The Wall Street Journal, 12 April 2000, 4.

Schleunes, Karl. The Twisted Road to Auschwitz: Nazi Policy Toward German Jews, 1933–1939. Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1990.

Schwertfeger, Ruth. Women of Theresienstadt: Voices from a Concentration Camp. New York: Berg, 1989.

Wiesel, Elie. Night. New York: Hill and Wang, 1960

AND, my father who was one of the first into Buchenwald.

I don't believe Raul Hilberg. Sorry.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

You're missing the point, the expert agreeing there is no evidence for a holocaust is Raul Hilberg, the foremost exponent of the holocaust.

So, I can believe Raul Hilberg or I can believe:

Behuda Yauer, . History of the Holocaust. Danbury, CT: Watts, 1982.

Baur, Erwin, Eugen Fischer, and Fritz Lenz. Menschliche Auslese und Rseenhygiene. (Human Selection and Race Hygiene.) Munich: Lehmanns, 1931.

Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know. New York: Little, Brown, 1993. Browning, Christopher. Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2000.

Burleigh, Michael. Death and Deliverance: Euthanasia in Germany, 1900–1945. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1995.

Carroll, James. Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 2001.

Fischer, Klaus. The History of an Obsession: German Judeophobia and the Holocaust. New York: Continuum, 1998.

Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984.

Frankl, Viktor. Man's Search for Meaning. New York: Washington Square Press, 1985.

Friedlander, Henry. The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1995.

Fuhrman, Harry, ed. Holocaust and Genocide: A Search for Conscience. New York: Anti-Defamation League, 1983.

Goldhagen, Daniel J. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust. New York: Knopf, 1996.

Hilberg, Raoul. The Destruction of the European Jews. New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985.

Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (My Struggle), translated by Ralph Mannheim. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1971.

Höss, Rudolf. Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz. New York: DaCapo, 1996.

Jäckel, Eberhard. "Einfach ein schlechtes Buch." Die Zeit, 27 May 1996, 24.

Jäckel, Eberhard. Hitler's Weltanschauung: Entwurf einer Herrschaft. (Hitler's Worldview: Outline of Power. ) Tübingen: Wunderlich, 1969.

Kantor, Alfred. An Artist's Journal of the Holocaust. New York: Schocken Books, 1987.

Katz, Steven T. The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. 1: The Holocaust and Mass Death Before the Modern Age. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Klemperer, Werner. The Language of the Third Reich, translated by Martin Brady. London: Athlone, 2000.

Kühl, Stefan. The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Lacquer, Walter. The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about Hitler's "Final Solution." London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1980.

Laks, Szymon. Music from Another World, translated by Chester Kisiel. Evanston, IL: Northwestern University Press, 2000.

Lautmann, Rüdiger. "The Pink Triangle: Homosexuals as Enemies of the State." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Levi, Primo. If This Is a Man: Remembering Auschwitz. New York: Summit, 1986.

Lewy, Guenter. The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies. New York: Oxford University Press, 2000.

Lipstadt, Deborah. Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory. New York: Free Press, 1993.

Piper, Francisek. "Auschwitz Concentration Camp." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Ritter, Carol, and John Roth. Different Voices: Women and the Holocaust. New York: Paragon House, 1993.

Rosenbaum, Ron. "The Roots of the Holocaust Denial." The Wall Street Journal, 12 April 2000, 4.

Schleunes, Karl. The Twisted Road to Auschwitz: Nazi Policy Toward German Jews, 1933–1939. Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1990.

Schwertfeger, Ruth. Women of Theresienstadt: Voices from a Concentration Camp. New York: Berg, 1989.

Wiesel, Elie. Night. New York: Hill and Wang, 1960

AND, my father who was one of the first into Buchenwald.

I don't believe Raul Hilberg. Sorry.

You answer a direct quoted report by printing out half a library

Strange, what do they say, quotes with links please

 

[regent]

Today, what group lies most to the American people:
Government
political parties
advertisers
lobbyists
foreign governments
posters on threads
authors of books
educators
medical

and on and on.

 

[hunarcy]

You answer a direct quoted report by printing out half a library

Strange, what do they say, quotes with links please

No, he said that ONE guy was the expert. I listed people, along with their works, to explain why I didn't believe his expert.

Sorry it was too much for you to understand.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

You answer a direct quoted report by printing out half a library

Strange, what do they say, quotes with links please

No, he said that ONE guy was the expert. I listed people, along with their works, to explain why I didn't believe his expert.

Sorry it was too much for you to understand.

Not too much to understand at all, just a nonsense reply.

An expert states something under oath and you 'refute' that by printing a list of your library books, its simply idiotic

 

[Iceman]

That looks like a bunch of fat girls running around naked, isn't that a European thing?

 

[Iceman]

You're missing the point, the expert agreeing there is no evidence for a holocaust is Raul Hilberg, the foremost exponent of the holocaust.

So, I can believe Raul Hilberg or I can believe:

Behuda Yauer, . History of the Holocaust. Danbury, CT: Watts, 1982.

Baur, Erwin, Eugen Fischer, and Fritz Lenz. Menschliche Auslese und Rseenhygiene. (Human Selection and Race Hygiene.) Munich: Lehmanns, 1931.

Berenbaum, Michael. The World Must Know. New York: Little, Brown, 1993. Browning, Christopher. Nazi Policy, Jewish Workers, German Killers. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2000.

Burleigh, Michael. Death and Deliverance: Euthanasia in Germany, 1900–1945. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1995.

Carroll, James. Constantine's Sword: The Church and the Jews. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 2001.

Fischer, Klaus. The History of an Obsession: German Judeophobia and the Holocaust. New York: Continuum, 1998.

Fleming, Gerald. Hitler and the Final Solution. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1984.

Frankl, Viktor. Man's Search for Meaning. New York: Washington Square Press, 1985.

Friedlander, Henry. The Origins of Nazi Genocide: From Euthanasia to the Final Solution. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1995.

Fuhrman, Harry, ed. Holocaust and Genocide: A Search for Conscience. New York: Anti-Defamation League, 1983.

Goldhagen, Daniel J. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust. New York: Knopf, 1996.

Hilberg, Raoul. The Destruction of the European Jews. New York: Holmes and Meier, 1985.

Hitler, Adolf. Mein Kampf (My Struggle), translated by Ralph Mannheim. New York: Houghton Mifflin, 1971.

Höss, Rudolf. Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz. New York: DaCapo, 1996.

Jäckel, Eberhard. "Einfach ein schlechtes Buch." Die Zeit, 27 May 1996, 24.

Jäckel, Eberhard. Hitler's Weltanschauung: Entwurf einer Herrschaft. (Hitler's Worldview: Outline of Power. ) Tübingen: Wunderlich, 1969.

Kantor, Alfred. An Artist's Journal of the Holocaust. New York: Schocken Books, 1987.

Katz, Steven T. The Holocaust in Historical Context, Vol. 1: The Holocaust and Mass Death Before the Modern Age. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Klemperer, Werner. The Language of the Third Reich, translated by Martin Brady. London: Athlone, 2000.

Kühl, Stefan. The Nazi Connection: Eugenics, American Racism, and German National Socialism. New York: Oxford University Press, 1994.

Lacquer, Walter. The Terrible Secret: Suppression of the Truth about Hitler's "Final Solution." London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1980.

Laks, Szymon. Music from Another World, translated by Chester Kisiel. Evanston, IL: Northwestern University Press, 2000.

Lautmann, Rüdiger. "The Pink Triangle: Homosexuals as Enemies of the State." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Levi, Primo. If This Is a Man: Remembering Auschwitz. New York: Summit, 1986.

Lewy, Guenter. The Nazi Persecution of the Gypsies. New York: Oxford University Press, 2000.

Lipstadt, Deborah. Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory. New York: Free Press, 1993.

Piper, Francisek. "Auschwitz Concentration Camp." In Michael Berenbaum and Abraham Peck eds., The Holocaust and History: The Known, the Unknown and the Reexamined. Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1998.

Ritter, Carol, and John Roth. Different Voices: Women and the Holocaust. New York: Paragon House, 1993.

Rosenbaum, Ron. "The Roots of the Holocaust Denial." The Wall Street Journal, 12 April 2000, 4.

Schleunes, Karl. The Twisted Road to Auschwitz: Nazi Policy Toward German Jews, 1933–1939. Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1990.

Schwertfeger, Ruth. Women of Theresienstadt: Voices from a Concentration Camp. New York: Berg, 1989.

Wiesel, Elie. Night. New York: Hill and Wang, 1960

AND, my father who was one of the first into Buchenwald.

I don't believe Raul Hilberg. Sorry.

Buchenwald wasn't an extermination camp. Your living father should be proof of that.



Simon Weisthenthal, the Nazi hunter, says there were no extermination camps in Germany. You calling him a liar you anti-semite bastard?
Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: 'No Extermination Camps on German Soil'